[harleyman]

im just wondering what  new innovations for   w f p are in 2020 ,what are your favourites over the years and are still available? mine is aqua dapter.

[NWH]

Very light poles and brushes as well as the electric reel have revolutionised the way I work,I’ve had the poles and brushes for as long as they’ve been available and got the reel 6 months to a year after they came out,I thought the poles and brushes being light made the job so much more easier but with the reel combined with hot water it’s a joy to go to work these days.

[harleyman]

agree I'm just wondering if they cold be any thing to improve? perhaps the prices some charge would go along way for customer loyalty.

[zesty]

agree I'm just wondering if they cold be any thing to improve? perhaps the prices some charge would go along way for customer loyalty.

Yeah I agree, the price of some window cleaning stuff is ridiculous, there just isn’t enough competition.

I had a quote from pure freedom for an electric reel, on a swivel base, a new pump plus wfp link controller. When the guy gave me the final price, I nearly fell off my chair.

[harleyman]

ill only buy stuff when I really need it or I cant fix it my self , the thing is  the company's selling the gear know there is quite a lot of money to be made  in the industry thus they charge accordingly ,same as the food industry with catering equipment that's business I suppose  .

[NWH]

Don’t underestimate how much easier a proper electric reel will make the job so much easier,they are a game changer imo,especially during the hotter months but overall in general.

[zesty]

Don’t underestimate how much easier a proper electric reel will make the job so much easier,they are a game changer imo,especially during the hotter months but overall in general.

I’ve had one for 3 years now, a DIY one, cost me about £50 and is only just showing signs of wear (the chain needs replacing)

It’s more that I was looking to revamp my whole system, as I need a bit more space in the van and also want to place the reel on top of a new lay flat tank, so that’s why I was thinking about the swivel base, so I can run it out the side door and back doors.

It’s just the price for the reel and swivel base is way over the top, but that’s kind of how it is when the competition is so small...

[david mark]

Pure freedom is a small engineering company if the Chinese made these reels it would be half the price

[dazmond]

ill only buy stuff when I really need it or I cant fix it my self , the thing is  the company's selling the gear know there is quite a lot of money to be made  in the industry thus they charge accordingly ,same as the food industry with catering equipment that's business I suppose  .

every business needs to make money........none of us know how much these WFP companies have to pay in overheads,staff wages,tax,insurances,etc......if you have a good,solid,profitable round then i dont see the problem.......we should be thanking these guys that are bringing solid,new equipment to the industry that makes our job easier.....

what i cant fathom are window cleaners who penny pinch over every SINGLE item of equipment they buy! .....i can understand if funds are really tight but half the time this is not the case.....everything is tax deductable anyway.........sometimes its just best to buy the professional electric reels/heaters/systems,etc if your looking for reliability and longevity........

but each to their own....if you like to tinker in the garage/shed at weekends (and treat window cleaning as a hobby) then go ahead make an electric reel for £50......i couldnt be bothered myself........

[AuRavelling79]

I've gone the other way on reels. I buy cheap clabers and have 65m of microbore with 35m of streamline pole hose.

That 35m does over 85% of my round and the hose is so light I can loop it up and throw it around and wind it in so easily.

Also only that 35m gets worn so I'm only replacing a third of a reel at a time.

[nathankaye]

ill only buy stuff when I really need it or I cant fix it my self , the thing is  the company's selling the gear know there is quite a lot of money to be made  in the industry thus they charge accordingly ,same as the food industry with catering equipment that's business I suppose  .

every business needs to make money........none of us know how much these WFP companies have to pay in overheads,staff wages,tax,insurances,etc......if you have a good,solid,profitable round then i dont see the problem.......we should be thanking these guys that are bringing solid,new equipment to the industry that makes our job easier.....

what i cant fathom are window cleaners who penny pinch over every SINGLE item of equipment they buy! .....i can understand if funds are really tight but half the time this is not the case.....everything is tax deductable anyway.........sometimes its just best to buy the professional electric reels/heaters/systems,etc if your looking for reliability and longevity........

but each to their own....if you like to tinker in the garage/shed at weekends (and treat window cleaning as a hobby) then go ahead make an electric reel for £50......i couldnt be bothered myself........

I suppose, but like your post, we also dont know each others expenses n bills lie either.  Also dont be quick to knock the chaps who tinker, their the ones who bring new innovations to the table.

However, it doesnt take long to knock up an electric reel for under £50 provided you already have the reel.  They also last just as long, if not longer than the pro bought ones.  Its only fellow shiners who really care whats in the van and what named goods you have.

[harleyman]

well said  of course they need to make a profit we all do but surly theirs a limit  ive see the same item at a few quid difference  some of the retailers are pure greedy imo nay way we are going of topic.

[dazmond]

im just wondering what  new innovations for   w f p are in 2020 ,what are your favourites over the years and are still available? mine is aqua dapter.

uni valve for me.....ive had a few aqua daptors and 2 of them sheared off the end of my pole within 6 months,they basically fell to pieces!.....absolute rubbish......

ive had 2 univalves since they came on the market a few years ago....still going strong.....best water control device for WFP by a country mile IME.......

[zesty]

ill only buy stuff when I really need it or I cant fix it my self , the thing is  the company's selling the gear know there is quite a lot of money to be made  in the industry thus they charge accordingly ,same as the food industry with catering equipment that's business I suppose  .

every business needs to make money........none of us know how much these WFP companies have to pay in overheads,staff wages,tax,insurances,etc......if you have a good,solid,profitable round then i dont see the problem.......we should be thanking these guys that are bringing solid,new equipment to the industry that makes our job easier.....

what i cant fathom are window cleaners who penny pinch over every SINGLE item of equipment they buy! .....i can understand if funds are really tight but half the time this is not the case.....everything is tax deductable anyway.........sometimes its just best to buy the professional electric reels/heaters/systems,etc if your looking for reliability and longevity........

but each to their own....if you like to tinker in the garage/shed at weekends (and treat window cleaning as a hobby) then go ahead make an electric reel for £50......i couldnt be bothered myself........

I suppose, but like your post, we also dont know each others expenses n bills lie either.  Also dont be quick to knock the chaps who tinker, their the ones who bring new innovations to the table.

However, it doesnt take long to knock up an electric reel for under £50 provided you already have the reel.  They also last just as long, if not longer than the pro bought ones.  Its only fellow shiners who really care whats in the van and what named goods you have.

That’s the thing, Daz most of us have much much bigger bills than you, plus families.

I still enjoy two holidays a year, in fact been abroad 3 times this year.

Its just in order to spend money else where, I’d rather not spend nearly £700 on an electric reel when my DIY one cost £50 and hasn’t missed a beat till now. (3 years old)

Perspective is everything...

I’ll probably still buy one, just not as hastily as you would Daz, cos your bills are a mere fraction of mine 😎

Heck, if my bills were the same as yours, I’d have the whole Shabang, and a villa in Spain.

[harleyman]

bravo....

[NWH]

I tell you I would have paid a lot more for one if I’d had known it was going to get rid of the lower back ache and shoulder gripe it was giving me reeling in manually within a matter of days,you can’t put a price on making your working day easier on your body.
If something new that is going to make the working day easier in my book has to be worth paying for,to many moaners harping on about back and shoulder problems purely because they won’t spend a few quid. I bet half of em spend 200 quid a week on fAgs and beer.

[zesty]

I tell you I would have paid a lot more for one if I’d had known it was going to get rid of the lower back ache and shoulder gripe it was giving me reeling in manually within a matter of days,you can’t put a price on making your working day easier on your body.
If something new that is going to make the working day easier in my book has to be worth paying for,to many moaners harping on about back and shoulder problems purely because they won’t spend a few quid. I bet half of em spend 200 quid a week on fAgs and beer.

Yes mate, they are amazing, hence why many of us made a DIY one for £50, essential bit of kit!

The issue is the price, it’s way overpriced purely because there is hardly any competition.

I also only use extreme poles, and extreme brushes, so I’m fully on board when it comes to the lightest equipment, the most efficient, and the most helpful work gear.

The problem is when you know you can have the same for £50, in this case a DIY electric reel. My only reason for wanting the pure freedom is for the swivel base, and of course I’m sure its very nice to use. I just need to either bite the bullet, or create my own swivel base. One will cost £700 odd, one will cost around £50. So when your running a house, paying bills, about to take your M140i to be stage 1 mapped etc, that £700 is harder to part with... unless your Daz, who lives in a skip, and pays £5.80 a month in rent and bills 😁

Would just be nice if there was more competition so the prices dropped a bit. I think it’s just something we have to except, but the DIY route for reels is a great option.

So to answer the OP’s original question, I’d like to see more innovations from other companies, to create more competition and choice, driving prices down a bit, benefiting all of us 👍🏼

[Dry Clean]

There just isn't the demand for other companies to do electric reels at a cheaper price, believe it or not guys most shiners don't find reeling in a hose a few times a day that hard, its certainly not a joint destroyer.

I would gladly give a years earnings if there was something out there that would stop a hose snagging on everything in its path, now that would be a real game changer. lol

[harleyman]

wait till you get to my age.lol

[harleyman]

so re think  captain chair swivel full package going in to the hundred quid plus rang.e but they will be some thing cheaper alternative.