[Dave Willis]

Bristol is on about a total ban. If this catches on in other cities it might make our job a bit awkward.


............ and Dazmonds Golf worthless.

[AuRavelling79]

It won't happen. Bristol is useless. No underground no trams can't even open an existing railway line to Portishead ten years after saying they would.

Even the half-assed Metro bus came in over budget and over a year late.

[windowswashed]

It won't happen as shops need deliveries

[Frankybadboy]

center of bath as well dave

[dazmond]

Bristol is on about a total ban. If this catches on in other cities it might make our job a bit awkward.


............ and Dazmonds Golf worthless.

the irony is my golf GTD is far less polluting than most older diesels and petrol vehicles on the road.....virtually zero emissions out of the exhaust due to the DPF.......

most newer diesel vehicles are very clean in comparison.....

[Pete Thompson]

But the new plug-in hybrid transit custom has an incredible range of ... 35 miles!

Not to mention it's a real bargain at £39k

Now with such highly practical vans like this available who needs old fashioned diesel.

[zesty]

Bristol is on about a total ban. If this catches on in other cities it might make our job a bit awkward.


............ and Dazmonds Golf worthless.

the irony is my golf GTD is far less polluting than most older diesels and petrol vehicles on the road.....virtually zero emissions out of the exhaust due to the DPF.......

most newer diesel vehicles are very clean in comparison.....

Exactly, hilarious isn’t it.

They love to tax hot air. It’s all a money spinner!

[dazmond]

But the new plug-in hybrid transit custom has an incredible range of ... 35 miles!

Not to mention it's a real bargain at £39k

Now with such highly practical vans like this available who needs old fashioned diesel.

sarcasm doesnt usually come across well in  a post on the internet ......but this is LOUD AND CLEAR!

[Ooooooog]

I looked at going electric for the vans. It’d take me 3 days to get from Hereford to Newcastle.
They should pedestrianise all city centres. Just allow goods vehicles etc in, early o clock.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

That'll be Daz back to cold water too!!

[Frankybadboy]

spoke to my old boss the other week,owns a haulage business ,

he has one of the only dual fuel 44 ton lorries in the country, diesel  and electric

it only goes from one side of bristol to the other when fully loaded and on electric 

[P @ F]

Well that’s bloody handy innit 

[P @ F]

I bet that’s 22 of cargo and 22 of batteries as well  !
You got a pic of his charger 

[Spruce]

I bet that’s 22 of cargo and 22 of batteries as well  !
You got a pic of his charger 

Its the engine.    It will be running the rest of the day on diesel recharging them and propelling the unit.

Interesting reports are that since fewer diesels are being sold in the greater London area and replaced by petrol engines, emissions have actually increased, not decreased. Watch, petrol vehicles will be focused on next.

If every one went electric the Government coffers would loose most of its revenue derived from fuel tax - it would only get the VAT on the electric used to charge battery vehicles.

Its a mess.

[Dave Willis]

I bought a new diesel car about four years ago and there were rumours of diesel being phased out then. Seems to have really taken off now very quickly. I think diesel cars will be worthless very soon.

[Spruce]

I bought a new diesel car about four years ago and there were rumours of diesel being phased out then. Seems to have really taken off now very quickly. I think diesel cars will be worthless very soon.

Personally, I think its gone quiet Dave. But they are continuing to push the electric wave for city center residents/commuters. If they can reduce the amount of petrol and diesel private vehicles driven in city centers then they believe its the solution to reducing pollution. Then they need to ban gas boilers and trains and planes ......................

Company reps will always choose diesel as it more economical to run when compared to petrol. I can't see a mass move towards Telsas which seem to have a pretty good range.  Time is money and they can't afford for a rep to be sitting in a motorway services doing nothing whilst the car is getting a quick boost charge outside. With prices from 42k to 55k and an uncertain delivery time from placing an order, I can't see cash strapped companies providing these as company vehicles.

It still too early to see what the resale value of a battery vehicle is after 3 or 4 years. Glass's guide can say one thing but its the buying public that will dictate what a used battery car is worth. So depreciation is still a big unknown IMO.

There seems to be a gullible car buying public in the UK. We have accepted that a car is 'worthless' at 10 years old. Try to get finance on a 9 year old car.

[P @ F]

So should I have a quick re think as in an hours time I should be handing 4K over for a TDI  Touran   ?

[windowswashed]

The biggest problem with electric cars is the battery.  Car manufacturer's will only guarantee to a certain mileage and length of time. As the cars age so do does the battery proficiency. After 6-8 years the battery isn't cost replaceable value for money making the car virtually worthless on the secondhand market as a valued economical secondhand purchase.  All very well paying over the odds for an electric vehicle brand new  for environmental reasons but economically in the long term it's a bad investment and regarding depreciation it's too early to realise how damaging this will be for resale values, though I suspect depreciation on electric vehicles will be much worse than diesel or petrol vehicles in comparison.

[P @ F]

But then again I run stuff until it dies or becomes a money pit so resale value is not a concern to me
It’s pollution charges and diesel cost and availability that would be a problem !

[Pete Thompson]

I leased my diesel car on a 2 year contract (that ends in March) as I foresaw the resale value being uncertain. I got a great deal and don’t have to worry about what it’s worth, I may do the same again with a petrol car or even a hybrid.

The problem with electric is that the technology is changing so fast, what’s ‘cutting edge’ today is obsolete in a year and so depreciation is crazy.

Aluminium ion batteries are set to overtake lithium ion in a year or two, and no doubt that technology will change and develop rapidly too.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7592485/Father-eight-invents-electric-car-battery-drivers-1-500-miles-without-charging-it.html

I know of a guy in London who has an electric small van. He has built a housing for a diesel generator (with exhaust port in the roof) that he runs all the time to keep the batteries topped up. This is classed as a zero-emissions vehicle and so exempt from all the crazy charges that Sadiq Khan has imposed.

And then there’s things like this:



Yes it’s a car charging point powered by a diesel generator.