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P®oPole™

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Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« on: July 03, 2006, 11:22:01 pm »
Check out this nutter :o , not a very good angle to have your ladder, and it was footed by a crate pushed up against his car.

Also check out were he has extended the ladder to the last rung, if that roof wasnt there that ladder would surely snap under his weight as you can see he aint small.

david68

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2006, 11:28:03 pm »
Dam that looks very unsafe.

Is there anything you can buy, to be able to have those ladders at that angle?

Dave
David

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jouk45

Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2006, 11:28:14 pm »
wow, he looks real heavy its a wonder how the ladders never snaped

P®oPole™

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2006, 11:31:37 pm »
its crazy, I would want some serious money for that sort of lark, fair play to him he was doing a good job, its not very nice to see either. I could of gone and had a friendly word, but what can you do his only earning a living. how else would he reach the facia other than scaffold?

jeff1

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2006, 11:33:36 pm »
Dam that looks very unsafe.

Is there anything you can buy, to be able to have those ladders at that angle?

Dave

There is a product called stable legs, that stops the ladder slipping away from the wall, it also stops the bounce of the ladder,
if he had, had a set he could have also put them on the pitched roof, and this would have made the ladder sturdy, but to buy a product to have a ladder at that angle the answer is no, doesn't matter what you use you should never use a ladder at that angle.

JohnL

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2006, 01:17:22 am »
he could have also put them on the pitched roof,    .  .  errmmm - no, that would have put him on the point of a triangle which of course is a pivotal point, even more dangerous than that looks.

Although that looks pretty bad I have never heard of a ladder snapping although his weight would pose some serious discussion on that point. He is also only about 3 - 4 feet out of where the ladder should be placed and he is on a triple which has a load of strength, but if that ladder is extended to the last rung that is seriously stupid - should have at least a 3 rung overlap on each extension at that throw. I presume the car was the stopper to stop sliding and movement.

Not condoning and other than the overlap question, his weight and the crate  its probably not as bad as it looks.   ;D    ;D    ;D

I'm saying this 'cus I've been there and got the T shirt. If all the points I raise are addressed correctly its as safe as going up any ladder - still not sure about the crate bit tho?

More of a problem as I see it is the side of the house. The ladder angle for that is going to be far too steep to be safe but we all do it because if we dont their wont be any work to do.

I have been working at a height of 25 ft on windows for 3 of the last 4 weeks and the feet have been 6 feet out in a main road, all heavily coned and cordoned off, barriers and high vis tape everywhere - safe as houses except for idiot members of the public who at least a dozen times a day thought it was really funny to kick the ladder bottom and see the decorator hang on for his life - that aint funny!

Most ladder accidents happen because of the need for speed, leaning too far out, placing the feet on an unsafe surface and of course sloping ground. All decorators I know think before going up a ladder and follow all those points with safety in mind and the main point there is speed - when your life is at risk dont rush things.

Reality check guys - to do that house under H&S would add around £700 - 900 to the cost of the job for the hire of scaffold. If it was yours would you pay that extra to the 1 or 2 grand for the painting and decorating cost?

If tradesmen put more thought and less haste into the positioning and taken all the steps to ensure the ladder will not move you cannot do a lot more - other than follow a different profession.

ooops!


JohnL

West Somerset. On the edge of the Quantocks and looking at The Exmoor National Park.

Paul Coleman

Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2006, 07:50:36 am »
I've done that too - and worse.  I stopped doing stuff like that quite some years ago though.  I bought a Teleplus Unger pole (non water fed) and cleaned awkward windows with that instead from the ground.  Also, the few windows I couldn't clean safely just didn't get done.
In fairness to the guy in the picture, that set up looks a lot worse than it actually is.  There is no way the ladder is going to slip.  Also, the original poster seemed to be saying it was very lucky that the lower roof was where it was so as to provide support.  That may have been part of his planning the job.  I've had ladders at that sort of angle and they've never snapped - and that was without support from a lower roof.  However, I do know a guy who had a ladder snap on him recently.  It was a very old wooden one that other window cleaners had been telling him to change.

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2006, 07:57:04 am »
Yawn....another "idiot".
Can't see what's so horrifying if it's up against the car.
It isn't going to go anywhere.

There seems to a lot of anti-ladder pictures lately.

I think I might take picture of a water-fed-prat actually. ::)
With a hose across a busy pavement,
Leaving doorways slippery,
Waving it around near powerlines,

Or my favourite, creating ice in the winter and thinking that by putting salt on it they're helping the matter.
It's like gravel, you skid on your arse! >:(

C Senor

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2006, 08:52:49 am »
Hi,

Sorry all the anti-ladder brigade but i think you have this one wrong.

The ladder is a triple and its evenly balanced, perhaps its me got it wrong, but any part of his ladder is not on the last rung, if you visualise the rung lengths (12 i think) then he looks to me to have quite alot of overlap on each section.

As for the car, well i'd rather be footed by a car than a person any day of the week, as long as the handbrake was on !

Not sure about resting on the pitched roof gutter though - with that weight it could take a chunk out !

Carl    :)

C Senor

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2006, 08:54:09 am »
I take the gutter comment back, i dont think there is a gutter there !

 ;D

S.C.S

Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2006, 09:10:48 am »
Yawn....another "idiot".
Can't see what's so horrifying if it's up against the car.
It isn't going to go anywhere.



To be honest i was thinking the same he might be a big fellow but he aint gonna push the car out the way is he, I cant see the problem  ???

Clear Vision

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2006, 09:19:58 am »
Wish I could see the pics you guys are on about.

I can't see anything appart from a small red cross int the top left of where the pic should be?

And when I click on the jpeg number at the bottom of the pic & click open, It says "no preview available"

Is it just me???

Clear Vision

Ian_Giles

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2006, 09:26:56 am »
By todays standards the guy is working dangerously, were he caught by a Health & Safety officer he could well be in the do-do.
In the past I've decorated houses like this myself, all off a ladder, walking up to the apex with a 15" roller, laden with Santex on the end of a 6' pole, and yes, using my vehicle or anything else to prop the bottom of the ladder.

But you can't do that now, just like you can't send a 7 year old up a chimney to clean it, those times are past, get caught doing it now and you are in the brown stuff.
Unfortunately, those working safely and correctly don't stand out from the crowd, and it those that stand out that cause the authorities to issue more and more regs.

But as long as we are allowed to work off ladders you will always get idiots that don't follow safe practice, and it is those that draw the eye (just like that one guy in the one photo who is stood there looking at the decorator)

You can't over extend new ladders either, there is an extented lug that prevents you extending it past it's safe limit, also, the ladder's load rating will allow a great deal of weight when fully extended, you could have it horizontal and it wouldn't break, at least with proper trade ladders.
That ladder is wedged and is going nowhere, as dangerous as it looks it won't break either.
Of course it is wrong and in todays climate he shouldn't be doing it, cherry picker or scafolding I'm afraid, expensive? yup, but tough, thats the way it is now.

AS usual Squeaks has to have a pop at WFP (which hasn't been mentioned in this post until he brought the subject up).
You can snag a power line with an aluminium ladder as easily as you can with a pole, quite apart from which they are well insulated anyway, the chances of you electrocuting yourself with either ladder or pole is pretty remote.

Rock salt on the pavement?
In wintery weather, particularly when there is snow on the pavement the council will put the stuff down anyway, and you'd have to be a complete numpty to slip on the gravel...may not be that safe if you have put up a ladder on the stuff though ;)
My high visibility yellow hose lying across the pavement?
Pulease....open your eyes and look where you are walking, take some responsibilty for yourself for gods sake, and don't blame others when you fall over. Even old grannies who can barely lift up their feet manage to negociate the highly dangerous hazzard of a half inch obstacle in their path.
The warning sign you have to put out is also a hazzard for mums with pushchairs on narrow pavements.
Slippery doorways?
Give over, they are no more wet and slippery than they are on any day that it rains. now if you are getting a floor wet that is made out of marble...not many houses have them do they?
Shops maybe, but for myself at least I am in town up to 3 hours before the shops  open, even in the darkest depths of winter the doorways are dry...unless its raining of course ;D

you're fishing for Mackeral and catching sprats Rog, dangerous ladder practice doesn't compare at all to the minor hazzards involved with WFP.

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

poleman

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2006, 12:49:33 pm »
Well said Ian, I couldn’t have put it better my self.

Andy 

dai

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2006, 01:49:44 pm »
AS others have said, it looks a lot worse than it is. I would feel safe enough doing that. That ladders going nowhere.
Not often I take issue with Ian but do take care when there are overhead cables.
They are supposed to be insulated, but I have a hole burned into the side of my angle adapter that proves that not all of them are. I was lucky to be waring thick rubber gloves at the time. That cable was no more than 18ft up and I was using my unger pole. I could well have been killed. Dai

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2006, 02:55:53 pm »
you're fishing for Mackeral and catching sprats Rog, dangerous ladder practice doesn't compare at all to the minor hazzards involved with WFP.
Suit yourself, but I won't be agreeing.

Different sorts of dangers that's all.
I'm far less danger to the public though.

As for me digging at wfp, perhaps if people didn't put pointless pictures having a dig at ladders it wouldn't happen.
I'm not the only one who said "So what?"

It's not as if it's someone we know, even if it had been dangerous.(which it wasn't)

This forum's turning into a bunch of fairies. ::)

pjulk

Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2006, 03:48:20 pm »
If that chap had a stand off at the top which i can't see he would have a lot better angle and it would have been easier for him to work.

Paul

Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2006, 04:27:01 pm »
I've said it before, but the worst ladder users are exterior building painters.

I've seen them doing some really dodgy stuff; stood on apex's of porches like a 'tight-rope-walker', painting the areas where their ladders cannot reach.

Big-heavy guys on B & Q ladders with no feet, painting the tops of the gable end of walls.




JohnL

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2006, 04:31:41 pm »
stood on apex's of porches like a 'tight-rope-walker'

  .  .  whats that got to do with ladders?    ;D    ;D    ;D 


JohnL
West Somerset. On the edge of the Quantocks and looking at The Exmoor National Park.

P®oPole™

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Re: Ladder Idiot (PIC)
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2006, 04:34:51 pm »
Ian well said mate.

Squeaky and gents please refrain from giving out dangerous advice in future, this is clearley unsafe and its wrong for you to say its ok, fair enough the ladder is not going anywere as you say, but it could well do, not to mention its ilegal, W.A.H.R 2005.