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dazmond

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2019, 08:14:06 am »
The ones that get me, at the ones that try to work out what percent of an increase it is.

I don’t put my prices up every year. Far from it in some cases. ( I need to be more ruthless).

But say an £9 house goes to £10, they have said .......”that’s more than 12% increase! That’s massive!”

Er......... no, it’s £1. Would they rather ever year I increased it by 20p or something. Madness.

yep i hate that too.....ill be putting lots of jobs up £1/£2/£5....the £5 rises will be on larger jobs that have been the same price for  years.......
price higher/work harder!

AuRavelling79

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2019, 09:15:26 am »
The ones that get me, at the ones that try to work out what percent of an increase it is.

I don’t put my prices up every year. Far from it in some cases. ( I need to be more ruthless).

But say an £9 house goes to £10, they have said .......”that’s more than 12% increase! That’s massive!”

Er......... no, it’s £1. Would they rather ever year I increased it by 20p or something. Madness.

Is it "our house in the middle of our street?"
It's a game of three halves!

AuRavelling79

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2019, 09:21:00 am »
Anyway ...

If I tell a customer my price is (say) £20 to do their house on a regular basis then that is what I have agreed. For me to change it without informing them beforehand is not ethical. It doesn't matter if my price goes up a penny or a tenner.

I don't change an agreement without informing the other person about it beforehand as that is how I would like to be treated.
It's a game of three halves!

chris turner

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2019, 10:22:04 am »
If you go about 'announcing' a £1 increase to your customers, they are more likely to question it or look around for a better deal. We all hate the words "price increase", so when we see those words in a txt or letter, even a small increase such as £1 can suddenly seem like a big deal.
By simply adding it to their bill, I'm not making a big deal about it and so they don't either, they just accept it because anyone with any sense knows that prices naturally rise.
Customers are free to cancel our service any time they wish without any valid reason or explanation,  just as we are free to change our prices anytime we wish without any explanation.
If I walk into costa, order my usual morning latte, go to the til to pay only to find out the price has gone up by 10p, do I think its unethical that I havnt been informed beforehand of the price increase? No. I simply pay the bill, walk away and then I'm free to decide if I want to continue using costa for my caffeine fix or find somewhere cheaper.
I continue using costa however because I prefer their coffee over Starbucks etc but I can change my mind whenever I like.

Without any contractual agreement between us and the customer then our situation is no different.
I don't think it is unethical personally, we are free to decide how we run our business and the customer is free to decide whether they want to use our service or not.

Stoots

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2019, 03:50:31 pm »
If you go about 'announcing' a £1 increase to your customers, they are more likely to question it or look around for a better deal. We all hate the words "price increase", so when we see those words in a txt or letter, even a small increase such as £1 can suddenly seem like a big deal.
By simply adding it to their bill, I'm not making a big deal about it and so they don't either, they just accept it because anyone with any sense knows that prices naturally rise.
Customers are free to cancel our service any time they wish without any valid reason or explanation,  just as we are free to change our prices anytime we wish without any explanation.
If I walk into costa, order my usual morning latte, go to the til to pay only to find out the price has gone up by 10p, do I think its unethical that I havnt been informed beforehand of the price increase? No. I simply pay the bill, walk away and then I'm free to decide if I want to continue using costa for my caffeine fix or find somewhere cheaper.
I continue using costa however because I prefer their coffee over Starbucks etc but I can change my mind whenever I like.

Without any contractual agreement between us and the customer then our situation is no different.
I don't think it is unethical personally, we are free to decide how we run our business and the customer is free to decide whether they want to use our service or not.

I don't really agree

You are right, when you inform them there is a chance they will cancel as I'm sure most of us have found out.

However I'm almost certain i would have more cancels from just putting the price up unannounced.

I've had it before where I've accidentally put the wrong price on a slip and the customer has pulled me up on it and questioned why. And that's just with the odd error. If I suddenly stuck 300 up without telling them I am certain I would get a few disgruntled customers.

You are wrong about not having a contract.  You agree to clean for X amount every 4 weeks. That's a verbal contract, sure they can cancel anytime but you would expect them to at least tell you they had cancelled otherwise you would clean their windows as agreed and expect to be paid.

If you are changing the terms of your agreement then surely you need to inform them to give them a chance to agree or disagree.

It's cheeky as feck imo, I wouldn't be right impressed if my window cleaner did that, it's not the money but the lack of common decency.

An example of this recently actually...I used a canvasser last year and paid him 2x.

He asked if I wanted a bit more doing some months later, I agreed for a small amount canvassing (only about £50 of work)

When he sent me the bill he was demanding 3x. When I asked him he said oh my prices have gone up at Christmas. At no point did he tell me that and do you think I paid him ? Not a chance, cheeky get didn't get any money from me.

It's just plain rude mate and a good way to pee them off.

dazmond

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2019, 04:21:35 pm »
as ive said before on this thread its sly and sneaky to just put their price up without informing them IMO........
price higher/work harder!

chris turner

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2019, 04:46:40 pm »
Each to their own. Works for me and that's all that matters.

chris turner

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2019, 04:53:26 pm »
If you go about 'announcing' a £1 increase to your customers, they are more likely to question it or look around for a better deal. We all hate the words "price increase", so when we see those words in a txt or letter, even a small increase such as £1 can suddenly seem like a big deal.
By simply adding it to their bill, I'm not making a big deal about it and so they don't either, they just accept it because anyone with any sense knows that prices naturally rise.
Customers are free to cancel our service any time they wish without any valid reason or explanation,  just as we are free to change our prices anytime we wish without any explanation.
If I walk into costa, order my usual morning latte, go to the til to pay only to find out the price has gone up by 10p, do I think its unethical that I havnt been informed beforehand of the price increase? No. I simply pay the bill, walk away and then I'm free to decide if I want to continue using costa for my caffeine fix or find somewhere cheaper.
I continue using costa however because I prefer their coffee over Starbucks etc but I can change my mind whenever I like.

Without any contractual agreement between us and the customer then our situation is no different.
I don't think it is unethical personally, we are free to decide how we run our business and the customer is free to decide whether they want to use our service or not.

I don't really agree

You are right, when you inform them there is a chance they will cancel as I'm sure most of us have found out.

However I'm almost certain i would have more cancels from just putting the price up unannounced.

I've had it before where I've accidentally put the wrong price on a slip and the customer has pulled me up on it and questioned why. And that's just with the odd error. If I suddenly stuck 300 up without telling them I am certain I would get a few disgruntled customers.

You are wrong about not having a contract.  You agree to clean for X amount every 4 weeks. That's a verbal contract, sure they can cancel anytime but you would expect them to at least tell you they had cancelled otherwise you would clean their windows as agreed and expect to be paid.

If you are changing the terms of your agreement then surely you need to inform them to give them a chance to agree or disagree.

It's cheeky as feck imo, I wouldn't be right impressed if my window cleaner did that, it's not the money but the lack of common decency.

An example of this recently actually...I used a canvasser last year and paid him 2x.

He asked if I wanted a bit more doing some months later, I agreed for a small amount canvassing (only about £50 of work)

When he sent me the bill he was demanding 3x. When I asked him he said oh my prices have gone up at Christmas. At no point did he tell me that and do you think I paid him ? Not a chance, cheeky get didn't get any money from me.

It's just plain rude mate and a good way to pee them off.

Adding £1 to their bill is me informing them of changes to our agreement ;D
They can then decide if they would like to continue with me or go elsewhere, as per my costa example above.
As much as you think this is wrong, why has know one, not 1 single customer, said anything to me?

Stoots

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2019, 04:57:38 pm »
If you go about 'announcing' a £1 increase to your customers, they are more likely to question it or look around for a better deal. We all hate the words "price increase", so when we see those words in a txt or letter, even a small increase such as £1 can suddenly seem like a big deal.
By simply adding it to their bill, I'm not making a big deal about it and so they don't either, they just accept it because anyone with any sense knows that prices naturally rise.
Customers are free to cancel our service any time they wish without any valid reason or explanation,  just as we are free to change our prices anytime we wish without any explanation.
If I walk into costa, order my usual morning latte, go to the til to pay only to find out the price has gone up by 10p, do I think its unethical that I havnt been informed beforehand of the price increase? No. I simply pay the bill, walk away and then I'm free to decide if I want to continue using costa for my caffeine fix or find somewhere cheaper.
I continue using costa however because I prefer their coffee over Starbucks etc but I can change my mind whenever I like.

Without any contractual agreement between us and the customer then our situation is no different.
I don't think it is unethical personally, we are free to decide how we run our business and the customer is free to decide whether they want to use our service or not.

I don't really agree

You are right, when you inform them there is a chance they will cancel as I'm sure most of us have found out.

However I'm almost certain i would have more cancels from just putting the price up unannounced.

I've had it before where I've accidentally put the wrong price on a slip and the customer has pulled me up on it and questioned why. And that's just with the odd error. If I suddenly stuck 300 up without telling them I am certain I would get a few disgruntled customers.

You are wrong about not having a contract.  You agree to clean for X amount every 4 weeks. That's a verbal contract, sure they can cancel anytime but you would expect them to at least tell you they had cancelled otherwise you would clean their windows as agreed and expect to be paid.

If you are changing the terms of your agreement then surely you need to inform them to give them a chance to agree or disagree.

It's cheeky as feck imo, I wouldn't be right impressed if my window cleaner did that, it's not the money but the lack of common decency.

An example of this recently actually...I used a canvasser last year and paid him 2x.

He asked if I wanted a bit more doing some months later, I agreed for a small amount canvassing (only about £50 of work)

When he sent me the bill he was demanding 3x. When I asked him he said oh my prices have gone up at Christmas. At no point did he tell me that and do you think I paid him ? Not a chance, cheeky get didn't get any money from me.

It's just plain rude mate and a good way to pee them off.

Adding £1 to their bill is me informing them of changes to our agreement ;D
They can then decide if they would like to continue with me or go elsewhere, as per my costa example above.
As much as you think this is wrong, why has know one, not 1 single customer, said anything to me?

lol well the canvasser i used also informed me of his changes, but it was a bit to late and he didnt get anything for his cheek.

I would expect the same from a customer, to be told where to stick it!

I dont know the answer mate, but i know some of mine would as they have in the past.

It doesnt matter though, we are all different and just do what works for us.

Smudger

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2019, 05:19:18 pm »
Costa may put their prices up - however the price is clearly displayed before purchase

If it works for you that's what counts but it's not for me

Darran
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nathankaye

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2019, 05:31:31 pm »
The part I dont understand is where you say you are providing a honest and reliable service and they like you for that. This is commendable, however where is the honesty in cleaning and then asking for a higher price for that clean?  Thats not honest in any way you look at it.

Not many will argue with a pound increase and lets face it, paying a window cleaner is not high on their priority. In fact I have a customer who, everytime i text about the gate, she always asks how much is it again (so she can leave the money out).  Would it be fair or honest of me, to change the price to suit my needs, knowing she has forgotten?
You may get away with it, for the very same reasons because as you have said, its only a pound difference.  Yet, this does not mean its being honest and fair!  It says alot really in my mind but each to their own I suppose
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Martin Lane

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2019, 06:47:59 pm »
Why not just put a letter  through their door saying as from next month the price will increase by a £1, this way you are letting them know in advance of their clean, they then have the right to stop you or most would just forget about it and let you carry on.

hotsteam

  • Posts: 425
Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2019, 07:25:17 pm »
Why not just put a letter  through their door saying as from next month the price will increase by a £1, this way you are letting them know in advance of their clean, they then have the right to stop you or most would just forget about it and let you carry on.

Yes I did that last week, it's giving them notice of the increase, which they can opt out, or just continue !
I cant remember anyone cancelling ! ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll

chris turner

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2019, 07:43:01 pm »
I guess me and zesty are evil, despicable human beings then  ;D
Hey ho, its a slighlty more ethical way to make money then human trafficking, so I think il carry on.

KS Cleaning

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2019, 08:03:52 pm »
Why not just put a letter  through their door saying as from next month the price will increase by a £1, this way you are letting them know in advance of their clean, they then have the right to stop you or most would just forget about it and let you carry on.
That’s what I do, or if they are in I just tell them.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2019, 08:31:09 pm »
Now I think that's too far the other way Gomo. If The rate was 2X and he did the work then he should get 2X whether he is a cheeky/unethical "get" or not.

If Chris Turner put a slip through my door with an extra £1 on it with no notice then I would offer to pay the original amount - not nothing whatsoever.

It's a game of three halves!

Simon Trapani

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2019, 08:31:23 pm »
Why not just put a letter  through their door saying as from next month the price will increase by a £1, this way you are letting them know in advance of their clean, they then have the right to stop you or most would just forget about it and let you carry on.
That’s what I do, or if they are in I just tell them.
That's what we do too but it is time consuming. Aworka, & I assume Cleaner Planner & the like, can do price rises in bulk with various options.

I was considering just putting them up next time without saying anything but after all what's been said here I think it's probably better to pre-warn.

chris turner

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2019, 08:53:26 pm »
Why not just put a letter  through their door saying as from next month the price will increase by a £1, this way you are letting them know in advance of their clean, they then have the right to stop you or most would just forget about it and let you carry on.
That’s what I do, or if they are in I just tell them.
That's what we do too but it is time consuming. Aworka, & I assume Cleaner Planner & the like, can do price rises in bulk with various options.

I was considering just putting them up next time without saying anything but after all what's been said here I think it's probably better to pre-warn.

Honestly mate save yourself the ballache and just put them up, most customers wont bat an eyelid.
If you do get a couple query it then explain yourself but you still would of saved yourself alot of time and hassle.

Johnny B

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2019, 09:13:18 pm »
The ones that get me, at the ones that try to work out what percent of an increase it is.

I don’t put my prices up every year. Far from it in some cases. ( I need to be more ruthless).

But say an £9 house goes to £10, they have said .......”that’s more than 12% increase! That’s massive!”

Er......... no, it’s £1. Would they rather ever year I increased it by 20p or something. Madness.

Is it "our house in the middle of our street?"

Could be "Arlington House (address no fixed abode) ... Trying to remember one better day."

John
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P @ F

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Re: Doing price rises
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2019, 09:42:46 pm »
The part I dont understand is where you say you are providing a honest and reliable service and they like you for that. This is commendable, however where is the honesty in cleaning and then asking for a higher price for that clean?  Thats not honest in any way you look at it.

Not many will argue with a pound increase and lets face it, paying a window cleaner is not high on their priority. In fact I have a customer who, everytime i text about the gate, she always asks how much is it again (so she can leave the money out).  Would it be fair or honest of me, to change the price to suit my needs, knowing she has forgotten?
You may get away with it, for the very same reasons because as you have said, its only a pound difference.  Yet, this does not mean its being honest and fair!  It says alot really in my mind but each to their own I suppose

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