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Splash & dash

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2019, 04:06:21 pm »
One of these works quite well, especially if you put mains tap pressure through it.
https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/goosenecks-pole-fittings/pole-fittings/quick-loqtm-gutter-spike.html

Maybe I'm not understanding this product but if it attaches to your pole surely the water flow wouldn't be strong enough to dislodge a blocked down pipe??




You are quite right , they are very good as a gutter hook but absolutely useless to apply water into a down pipe they only have a 2 mm jet and there is not enough pressure to do any good basically the same as a wfp brush jet

Splash & dash

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2019, 04:12:40 pm »

I think you have to be careful when quoting gutter clearing, especially with downpipes as Tom has said.

If a downpipe has a 'foot' on the end then you can hear if the pipe is clear as has been said. We sometimes are able to release the top  bends to clear the pipe at the top with a bit of gentle persuasion, but we need to use ladders for this.

Some downpipes go into 'sealed' drains. We have one house where there is an inspection cover next to the down pipe so we can remove dirt in the U Bend.
We also have one where the downpipes go into a sealed housing. The downpipe has to be removed. Unfortunately, we don't offer that service and they need to get a plumber or roofer in to do that job.


When needed we fit inspection hatches in the bottom of the downpipes for customers , it’s a simple job takes about 10 muinits maximum  , all you need is a battery saw , and a couple of screwdrivers , it’s a nic3 little extra we have lots of customers ask us to fit them

Sorry to sound ignorant, but please explain. Thanks




You fit this at the bottom of the down pipe it gives you access up the pipe and into the soak away cheap , quick and easy to fit customers love them 😂😂

Spruce

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2019, 05:54:00 pm »

I think you have to be careful when quoting gutter clearing, especially with downpipes as Tom has said.

If a downpipe has a 'foot' on the end then you can hear if the pipe is clear as has been said. We sometimes are able to release the top  bends to clear the pipe at the top with a bit of gentle persuasion, but we need to use ladders for this.

Some downpipes go into 'sealed' drains. We have one house where there is an inspection cover next to the down pipe so we can remove dirt in the U Bend.
We also have one where the downpipes go into a sealed housing. The downpipe has to be removed. Unfortunately, we don't offer that service and they need to get a plumber or roofer in to do that job.


When needed we fit inspection hatches in the bottom of the downpipes for customers , it’s a simple job takes about 10 muinits maximum  , all you need is a battery saw , and a couple of screwdrivers , it’s a nic3 little extra we have lots of customers ask us to fit them

Sorry to sound ignorant, but please explain. Thanks




You fit this at the bottom of the down pipe it gives you access up the pipe and into the soak away cheap , quick and easy to fit customers love them 😂😂

Thank you. I did see that as an image when I googled it, but there were lots of others as well. Honestly, I have never thought of this as a solution.
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Splash & dash

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2019, 06:08:29 pm »

I think you have to be careful when quoting gutter clearing, especially with downpipes as Tom has said.

If a downpipe has a 'foot' on the end then you can hear if the pipe is clear as has been said. We sometimes are able to release the top  bends to clear the pipe at the top with a bit of gentle persuasion, but we need to use ladders for this.

Some downpipes go into 'sealed' drains. We have one house where there is an inspection cover next to the down pipe so we can remove dirt in the U Bend.
We also have one where the downpipes go into a sealed housing. The downpipe has to be removed. Unfortunately, we don't offer that service and they need to get a plumber or roofer in to do that job.


When needed we fit inspection hatches in the bottom of the downpipes for customers , it’s a simple job takes about 10 muinits maximum  , all you need is a battery saw , and a couple of screwdrivers , it’s a nic3 little extra we have lots of customers ask us to fit them

Sorry to sound ignorant, but please explain. Thanks




You fit this at the bottom of the down pipe it gives you access up the pipe and into the soak away cheap , quick and easy to fit customers love them 😂😂

Thank you. I did see that as an image when I googled it, but there were lots of others as well. Honestly, I have never thought of this as a solution.




It’s a,so useful if worst case senario you want to put a jetting hose up to unblock a down pipe 45 feet up it will do it no problem, we do a lot of high buildings this way , where access is an issue for cherry pickers , the picture I put up isn’t the brand we use but it is the same principle , you can also get them with a screw on lid instead of screws they are very neat and barely noticeable

robert mitchell

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2019, 06:13:51 pm »
One of these works quite well, especially if you put mains tap pressure through it.
https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/goosenecks-pole-fittings/pole-fittings/quick-loqtm-gutter-spike.html

Maybe I'm not understanding this product but if it attaches to your pole surely the water flow wouldn't be strong enough to dislodge a blocked down pipe??




You are quite right , they are very good as a gutter hook but absolutely useless to apply water into a down pipe they only have a 2 mm jet and there is not enough pressure to do any good basically the same as a wfp brush jet

I have unblocked a couple with this tool , but only  with good mains pressure from outside tap , no chance from wfp pump.
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Oliver James

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2019, 07:22:15 pm »
These are out T's and C's for gutter jobs.

"Here are our T's and C's for the work we are going to do tomorrow.

1. The service we are offering is a vacuum of the roofline and ground floor guttering.
2. We can unblock downpipes most of the time as long as the blockage is near the top of the downspout. If we are not able to unblock the downpipes we will let you know and put you in touch with a specialist. "

I keep ladders on board, with a stand off as well, but I don't enjoy going up the ladder!

Plankton

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2019, 09:40:49 pm »
Just bought a new ladder for gutter clearing!
Problems I had with the vac were poor filters most of all, it won't work effectively when the filter gets chocked up and sure as poop it gets chocked up. Second is the WiFi signal to the camera freezing the screen.
I damaged one of the 3 motors on the vac as I ran it on too many jobs without the filter and I don't see the point in buying a new vac if there's not a better filter for the job.

Smudger

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2019, 10:41:34 pm »
when gutter clearing you don't use the filter in the drum

Darran
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Splash & dash

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2019, 11:16:40 pm »
Just bought a new ladder for gutter clearing!
Problems I had with the vac were poor filters most of all, it won't work effectively when the filter gets chocked up and sure as poop it gets chocked up. Second is the WiFi signal to the camera freezing the screen.
I damaged one of the 3 motors on the vac as I ran it on too many jobs without the filter and I don't see the point in buying a new vac if there's not a better filter for the job.



In 12+ years of gutter vaccing I have never had a problem blocking a filter you don’t have a filter in the drum for  vaccing gutters it should be removed , we have cleared thousands of gutter over hundreds of hours run time and still have the original omnivac it’s still on the original motors and works as well now as it did the day I bought it . As for camera problems if you are using the cheap Chinese’s copy cameras you will have issues , but the decent ones work fine evan at 65 feet up we don’t have picture problems , the old saying buy cheap buy twise comes to mind , there are a lot of vacs out there that arnt fit for purpose , I don’t want to name them on a public forum but one well known company sell gutter vacs quite cheaply there stuff is absolute rubbish as are there poles but people buy them and then get no end of problems and say vacs are no good , before buying one do some reasearch don’t just buy on price and you will find it’s money well spent

TomCrowther

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2019, 08:17:09 am »
Yes, I agree. Throw the filter and keep the drum clean. You won't have any issues. I am also on the original Omnivac

Smudger

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2019, 08:27:38 am »
looks like the Omnivacs are still going after many a year  ;D
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Plankton

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2019, 09:20:13 pm »
Mmm nick day? Yes poop to deal with and I've no problems saying that.
Cheap cam, Sony
Vac with no filter will suck up sht and break... End of!
I've not used a vac to clear gutters for at least a couple of years and as said buy cheap buy twice but the Honda Geny wasn't cheap not the poles etc, just the filtration for the work I was doing.

Splash & dash

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2019, 10:51:39 pm »
Mmm nick day? Yes poop to deal with and I've no problems saying that.
Cheap cam, Sony
Vac with no filter will suck up sht and break... End of!
I've not used a vac to clear gutters for at least a couple of years and as said buy cheap buy twice but the Honda Geny wasn't cheap not the poles etc, just the filtration for the work I was doing.



😂😂
We haven’t experienced this with our camera system
Our vacs are 9+ years old and done hundreds of jobs still on original motors no filter used .what brand of vac have you got ??

Plankton

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2019, 09:33:41 am »
Made in china rebrand in Germany effort.
I asked a long time ago about the filter and it was tumble weed. So folks are running thier £1500 vacs with no filter which is their to protect the motor from debris? I'd guess they didn't want to answer incase it voided the warranty at the time!
Seriously though your a braver man than me to spend £1500 on a vacuum cleaner and clear gutters with no filter what so ever.

Splash & dash

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2019, 12:05:39 pm »
Made in china rebrand in Germany effort.
I asked a long time ago about the filter and it was tumble weed. So folks are running thier £1500 vacs with no filter which is their to protect the motor from debris? I'd guess they didn't want to answer incase it voided the warranty at the time!
Seriously though your a braver man than me to spend £1500 on a vacuum cleaner and clear gutters with no filter what so ever.


I have an old omnivac had it at least 9 years never had a filter in it works fine I have Evan overfilled it several times and had water coming out of the motor s housing without a problem. I also have a Grippatank vac that also doesn’t use a filter had that about 3 years works fine no problem at all . I believe that the skyvac industrial does  have a cleanable filter that must be used , but don’t have one so cannot be sure , I have been wanting to buy the skyvac but the old omnivac just goes on and on and it’s such a good piece of kit I don’t want to get rid of it

Smudger

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2019, 12:23:59 pm »
I suppose it depends on what vac your buying and yes, the cheapo ones most likely need the filter bag

the Omnivac is a Soteco - when it arrived from Omnivac the instructions were NOT to use the filter bag on gutter clearing  - it is after all a genuine wet/dry vac - there is a secondary filter (wire mess) and float valve in the head - the filter bag is solely for internal dust extraction work

sorry if I missed your thread on filter bags in vacs  :'(

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Plankton

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2019, 03:12:50 pm »
I was originally looking at a Viper which at the time someone in the know on here said had the soteco motors in them. There's now someone on eBay selling them on eBay for around £485 posted with the modified inlet which is obviously a good improvement.

robert mitchell

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Re: Gutter vac. blocked downpipes
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2019, 10:32:40 pm »
I was originally looking at a Viper which at the time someone in the know on here said had the soteco motors in them. There's now someone on eBay selling them on eBay for around £485 posted with the modified inlet which is obviously a good improvement.


Have you got a link?
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