[Dry Clean]

average expenses for me is around £6000 a year so its around 13% of my turnover(which is around £45k at present).if i clean 300 jobs a month for 11 months a year then it costs me £1-81 to clean every job before i make any money(but this is also before tax/NI).....

too many variables.....and head scratching......spruce you think TOO MUCH!

I am not quite sure how you get away with a sum as low as £6K unless I am missing something?  The expense of running a van alone for a year is £10000 in our calculations and thats before you put a driver in it and pay them!!!!

For those van costs you are either doing a lot of mileage or not counting the capital value that's still left in your van, the actual cost of the van will be the price divided by the years used minus the resale value.
My van which I bought at a just over a year old has worked out at around £1.5k a year to buy, another £1k a year in fuel, tax and insurance around £600, maintenance has cost me around £880 this year but worked out over the use time it is coming in at around £200 a year.

[Slacky]

1K a year in fuel?

What d'you do, push it from job to job?

[P @ F]

My van fuel never goes over £100 a month , most months it’s £80 

[Shrek]

I get taxed on income not even earned! 

[P @ F]

I have only done 20,000 miles in 4 years 

[Dry Clean]

My van fuel never goes over £100 a month , most months it’s £80 

Same here, most days its between a one and five mile round trip, even my commercial work is on my doorstep.

[Smudger]

My van fuel never goes over £100 a month , most months it’s £80 

Same here, most days its between a one and five mile round trip, even my commercial work is on my doorstep.

Thats very strange - you were telling me that your area is saturated with cleaners and couldn't get compact work and earn 80k a year ?

so which is it ?  compact and all within a few miles so its possible to bill larger figures or spread out and travelling required ?
I'm confused.com about your answers

Darran

[dazmond]

average expenses for me is around £6000 a year so its around 13% of my turnover(which is around £45k at present).if i clean 300 jobs a month for 11 months a year then it costs me £1-81 to clean every job before i make any money(but this is also before tax/NI).....

too many variables.....and head scratching......spruce you think TOO MUCH!

I am not quite sure how you get away with a sum as low as £6K unless I am missing something?  The expense of running a van alone for a year is £10000 in our calculations and thats before you put a driver in it and pay them!!!!

where do you get 10k from?

[Kev Martin]

average expenses for me is around £6000 a year so its around 13% of my turnover(which is around £45k at present).if i clean 300 jobs a month for 11 months a year then it costs me £1-81 to clean every job before i make any money(but this is also before tax/NI).....

too many variables.....and head scratching......spruce you think TOO MUCH!

I am not quite sure how you get away with a sum as low as £6K unless I am missing something?  The expense of running a van alone for a year is £10000 in our calculations and thats before you put a driver in it and pay them!!!!

For those van costs you are either doing a lot of mileage or not counting the capital value that's still left in your van, the actual cost of the van will be the price divided by the years used minus the resale value.
My van which I bought at a just over a year old has worked out at around £1.5k a year to buy, another £1k a year in fuel, tax and insurance around £600, maintenance has cost me around £880 this year but worked out over the use time it is coming in at around £200 a year.

Our vans cost £15K each + VAT.  All new based on no deposit and 0% APR.  We got the VAT Back immediately as a lump sum but we pay £500 per month for them so therefore

£6000.00 Per Annum
Fuel £2400 @ £200 per month for 150 Litres
Insurance £1000
£600 for Servicing and RFL

Thats £10K.  As I said initially I am not interested in what the vans are worth at the end of 3 years thats just a bonus back into company coffers.  I calculate that as costing me for 255 working days around £40 per day or £5 per hour.  So the van alone on a job for a week would cost £200 + Parking (If Applicable) + £0.45p per mile.  Clearly window cleaners can't charge mileage but I do

[dazmond]

My van fuel never goes over £100 a month , most months it’s £80 

mine was £40 a month before i bought a diesel heater,now its around £120 a month using hot water every day....

[dazmond]

VAN.....total yearly payments.....£2,591.52
RFL......£300(inclu VAT)
FUEL....£1,440(inclu heating diesel water heater)
SERVICE.....£120
INSURANCE&BREAKDOWN COVER......£534

TOTAL COST:£4,985.52

actually my expenses are closer to £7k a year for everything to do with my business but as long as im left with a profit of around £30k after ALL expenses,tax,NI contributions,etc im happy....

i can live like a king up here on £30k a year........

[Dry Clean]

My van fuel never goes over £100 a month , most months it’s £80 

Same here, most days its between a one and five mile round trip, even my commercial work is on my doorstep.

Thats very strange - you were telling me that your area is saturated with cleaners and couldn't get compact work and earn 80k a year ?

so which is it ?  compact and all within a few miles so its possible to bill larger figures or spread out and travelling required ?
I'm confused.com about your answers

Darran

Its not just travelling that slows you down its setting and packing up, I would very rarely get more than one property per van move but that doesn't mean I have to move miles between each clean, as you still seem confused why the majority of shiners don't get anywhere near £85k a year (HMRC fact) here's an example,  with my prices I would need to clean at least 30 properties a day five days a week for 46 weeks of the year so even if all my properties where in rows I still wouldn't get anywhere near it.

[Slacky]

here's an example,  with my prices I would need to clean at least 30 properties a day five days a week for 46 weeks of the year so even if all my properties where in rows I still wouldn't get anywhere near it.

You need to up your prices then. Thats an average of £10 a house. An average, not  minimum. Average. In this day and age thats atrocious and probably unsustainable in a business sense.

[Dry Clean]

here's an example,  with my prices I would need to clean at least 30 properties a day five days a week for 46 weeks of the year so even if all my properties where in rows I still wouldn't get anywhere near it.

You need to up your prices then. Thats an average of £10 a house. An average, not  minimum. Average. In this day and age thats atrocious and probably unsustainable in a business sense.

Firstly its average and not minimum or maximum that counts, that said its actually an average close to £13, do 18 at that price and you have £234 a day, that may be atrocious and unsustainable to you but its more than enough to keep me in the game.

[Slacky]

There’s nothing like manipulating your original post to try to convince others.

[Dry Clean]

There’s nothing like manipulating your original post to try to convince others.

Are you talking about the part of my post which you removed before getting your maths wrong and then wibbling on about minimum prices that had no barring on the overall outcome ?
If not then point out what it is that I have manipulated.

[Slacky]

I removed part of your post? What are you talking about? How do i do that?

[Dry Clean]

I removed part of your post? What are you talking about? How do i do that?

You cant remove part of my original post, but you can in your reply, without the £85k there is no context so you can say what you want, to be fair I don't think that was your intention your maths where just slightly out.

[Slacky]

Think what you want. You alter your point after bring called out.

[Dry Clean]

Think what you want. You alter your point after bring called out.

Alter what point ? again show me.