[Jonny 87]

There’s two categories of people.......

Some who strive to improve and do better, and some who don’t like change, and try to bring others down to their level.

Thankfully the world isn’t filled with the latter.
One Sean/Dry Clean is enough.

 

 

[Dry Clean]

Our other concrete melter must be in Mexico, if not he would be telling us how good it is isn't is isn't is. lol

[Dry Clean]

There’s two categories of people.......

Some who strive to improve and do better, and some who don’t like change, and try to bring others down to their level.

Thankfully the world isn’t filled with the latter.
One Sean/Dry Clean is enough.

 

There's nothing wrong with striving to improve and do better as long as you take a sensible approach to it, you finding the same results with hot as you got with Vision tells us that you want to see what you want to see and have no interest in finding out if its real or not, put it this way if Vision had or was doing what you said you wouldn't need hot.

[nathankaye]

I've been using hot water for a while now, using an immersion and different running times of it being on.
What are my findings? I hear you ask 🤔🤔😂

Hot water is great and does indeed clean better.  On first cleans especially, it makes light work of all the grime. The same on gutter/fascia/soffit cleans and even conservatory roof cleans. There's no need for added detergents on these types of jobs, so less rinsing time required etc. Therefore these types of jobs become really easy to do.

What about maintenance cleans.?  This would depend which areas you clean in. For instance, on the coastal regions, I would say it's ideal and you will certainly feel the benefits on every clean. The same would be true where there are lots of trees!
Tree sap, spider poo and the likes come of really easy with hot compared to cold.

However, all my work is mostly 4wkly and you turn up and the dirtiest thing to clean is a dusty window sill!  Obviously hot water doesn't matter in these cases and this is about 60 - 70% the case with my work. I currently choose to use hot water week in, week out, why?
The hose is certainly easier to work with and this makes for a more pleasant working day experience.  For the odd stubborn bird poo marks, it makes life easier and for the new jobs I pick up (first cleans) as I would rather have hot than not on these jobs.  There has been times when I have forgotten to turn the immersion on and I have hated it!
Now you can manage with cold and the vast majority do, do so! However hot does make it easier in so many ways

[dazmond]

Our other concrete melter must be in Mexico, if not he would be telling us how good it is isn't is isn't is. lol

nope...not yet....another few weeks to go before im heading off into crocodile country......

[dazmond]

So as a newbie who is yet to start trading but taking time to look into the business as much as possible from vans and van setups canvassing and pricing.

Not one to worry about working in all kinds of weather as I am an outdoors person I was wondering what the general consensus was on hot water WFP advantages over cold if any and also best hot water system to add to van setup.

ive worked with both hot and cold water over the years and i prefer using hot all year round every day....in fact working with very hot water in the hot summer months is the most beneficial for extra cleaning power on longer frequency cleans,first cleans,add ons and jobs near farmers fields and large trees....in winter its just nicer to work with,warm supple hoses and generally easier to clean your work....

you can just use cold pure water,hot water is a luxury but its the icing on the cake for cleaning ONCE you have a decent round and income.....

dont run before you can walk,you cant afford it....concentrate on building up your round and using basic equipment,if you want to upgrade to better equipment,hot water systems,etc you can do that at a later date when funds allow and your established.

[Shrek]

I've been using hot water for a while now, using an immersion and different running times of it being on.
What are my findings? I hear you ask 🤔🤔😂

Hot water is great and does indeed clean better.  On first cleans especially, it makes light work of all the grime. The same on gutter/fascia/soffit cleans and even conservatory roof cleans. There's no need for added detergents on these types of jobs, so less rinsing time required etc. Therefore these types of jobs become really easy to do.

What about maintenance cleans.?  This would depend which areas you clean in. For instance, on the coastal regions, I would say it's ideal and you will certainly feel the benefits on every clean. The same would be true where there are lots of trees!
Tree sap, spider poo and the likes come of really easy with hot compared to cold.

However, all my work is mostly 4wkly and you turn up and the dirtiest thing to clean is a dusty window sill!  Obviously hot water doesn't matter in these cases and this is about 60 - 70% the case with my work. I currently choose to use hot water week in, week out, why?
The hose is certainly easier to work with and this makes for a more pleasant working day experience.  For the odd stubborn bird poo marks, it makes life easier and for the new jobs I pick up (first cleans) as I would rather have hot than not on these jobs.  There has been times when I have forgotten to turn the immersion on and I have hated it!
Now you can manage with cold and the vast majority do, do so! However hot does make it easier in so many ways

So you’ve got the odd dusty window sill and you need hot water to make it easier 🙄 ffs 😂😂

[Dry Clean]

After his system went bang Dazmond spent 6 months on here telling us why hot water didn't make the slightest difference, he was also another Vision user who got the same results with it as he does with hot, like I said theres a type that recommend hot. lol
By the way theres one more to come, a parts per billion user called NWH.

[Dry Clean]

I've been using hot water for a while now, using an immersion and different running times of it being on.
What are my findings? I hear you ask 🤔🤔😂

Hot water is great and does indeed clean better.  On first cleans especially, it makes light work of all the grime. The same on gutter/fascia/soffit cleans and even conservatory roof cleans. There's no need for added detergents on these types of jobs, so less rinsing time required etc. Therefore these types of jobs become really easy to do.

What about maintenance cleans.?  This would depend which areas you clean in. For instance, on the coastal regions, I would say it's ideal and you will certainly feel the benefits on every clean. The same would be true where there are lots of trees!
Tree sap, spider poo and the likes come of really easy with hot compared to cold.

However, all my work is mostly 4wkly and you turn up and the dirtiest thing to clean is a dusty window sill!  Obviously hot water doesn't matter in these cases and this is about 60 - 70% the case with my work. I currently choose to use hot water week in, week out, why?
The hose is certainly easier to work with and this makes for a more pleasant working day experience.  For the odd stubborn bird poo marks, it makes life easier and for the new jobs I pick up (first cleans) as I would rather have hot than not on these jobs.  There has been times when I have forgotten to turn the immersion on and I have hated it!
Now you can manage with cold and the vast majority do, do so! However hot does make it easier in so many ways

So you’ve got the odd dusty window sill and you need hot water to make it easier 🙄 ffs 😂😂

After bragging about knocking out 35 detached properties with conservatories a day using cold he needed to find something to justify his need for hot, a dusty window sill is a funny excuse though. lol

[nathankaye]

I've been using hot water for a while now, using an immersion and different running times of it being on.
What are my findings? I hear you ask 🤔🤔😂

Hot water is great and does indeed clean better.  On first cleans especially, it makes light work of all the grime. The same on gutter/fascia/soffit cleans and even conservatory roof cleans. There's no need for added detergents on these types of jobs, so less rinsing time required etc. Therefore these types of jobs become really easy to do.

What about maintenance cleans.?  This would depend which areas you clean in. For instance, on the coastal regions, I would say it's ideal and you will certainly feel the benefits on every clean. The same would be true where there are lots of trees!
Tree sap, spider poo and the likes come of really easy with hot compared to cold.

However, all my work is mostly 4wkly and you turn up and the dirtiest thing to clean is a dusty window sill!  Obviously hot water doesn't matter in these cases and this is about 60 - 70% the case with my work. I currently choose to use hot water week in, week out, why?
The hose is certainly easier to work with and this makes for a more pleasant working day experience.  For the odd stubborn bird poo marks, it makes life easier and for the new jobs I pick up (first cleans) as I would rather have hot than not on these jobs.  There has been times when I have forgotten to turn the immersion on and I have hated it!
Now you can manage with cold and the vast majority do, do so! However hot does make it easier in so many ways

So you’ve got the odd dusty window sill and you need hot water to make it easier 🙄 ffs 😂😂

Thats what you took from all of that.  Think u need to get to work rather than reading posts which don't interest you.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

If you're starting out just stick to cold as you will have plenty of time to clean a few houses while growing your round.   Maybe after you have a busy round you can upgrade to hot.

I spent 10 years on cold and the last two on hot.  I won't go back now.   Hot and cold both clean well so no need to worry.   Hot cleans better because it speeds up the process.  Cold takes a little longer but will provide the same results.

The hot will break down solid dirt much quicker.   You notice it works faster on first cleans or commercial jobs that have long frequency.  Green moss build up on frames come off much faster.  Gutters and soffit hot cleans in half the time for me.  General maintance cleans are really no different providing there is no solid hard
bird mess to slow your scrubbing down.

So it's up to each and everyone what they opt for as the methods will have the same end result.   It's just a luxury to be honest and helps me get the job done quicker.

These are my personal opinions which are founded by my own experiences having used both hot and cold. 

[Smudger]

A sensible post at last !!

well done jester!

Spring is here I think NHW is busy now playing bowls

Darran

[nathankaye]

So, in a nut shell, so to speak

Cold waters users, say hot water makes no difference.
Hot water uses, say it does and have invested a lot of money into a grippa hot system or perhaps the cheaper immersion route. Yet a lot of hot water uses will foot the running cost of doing so, even after the winter/colder months.

Cold water uses will say its the placebo effect and hot water uses are convinced its not that at all.

Does that help any 😂

[Dry Clean]

A sensible post at last !!

well done jester!

Spring is here I think NHW is busy now playing bowls

Darran

Agreed, problem is you cant poke fun at sensible, I want concrete melting, dusty window sills, upvc restoration and dirty dishes on that list. lol

[AuRavelling79]

I have an immersion self fitted. I use it in winter primarily for supple hoses that don't kink and slow me down at 25/30 degrees in the tank.
Occasionally if I have a big first clean I will get a tank full hotter. 50 degrees.
Rarely if doing a gutter/building  clean I use hot water from my outside tap to fill the tank and finish the windows with pure from a couple of barrels and a backpack.

[G Griffin]

I think it all just comes down to experience.

if it’s placebo that’s making me get through more work and having my best months ever then I’ll
Take it. I really don’t think it is though.

I know this because the first 2-4 months of me using hot water I was actually slower. 

It was actually giving me issues in a few cases, run marks and drip downs that I never had before. I put this down to hot water cleaning deeper into the frames and getting dirt out that I previously wasn’t touching.

Now I’m over 6 months in with hot water (hotter than I ever could get with an immersion) certain windows in particular are noticeably cleaner on my visits.

Windows in rural areas are no where near as greasy with tree sap as they used to be,
Certain annoying Pvc frames with gaps that always trapped dirt and had algae growth every month now have considerably less on them.

Have you used HOT water for Atleast 6 months consecutively? And by hot, I mean Atleast 40 degrees on the glass?

If you havent then I can see how you’d think I’m making it up. Go by your own experience though and not what others “think”.

Dig back through through Jonny's posts and you will find the exact same results with Vision that he's now getting with hot, we even got the you need to be using it for a certain amount of time to see the true results wibble, its like these guys have a hole that can never be filled.

Are you speaking from experience?

[Jonny 87]

I think it all just comes down to experience.

if it’s placebo that’s making me get through more work and having my best months ever then I’ll
Take it. I really don’t think it is though.

I know this because the first 2-4 months of me using hot water I was actually slower. 

It was actually giving me issues in a few cases, run marks and drip downs that I never had before. I put this down to hot water cleaning deeper into the frames and getting dirt out that I previously wasn’t touching.

Now I’m over 6 months in with hot water (hotter than I ever could get with an immersion) certain windows in particular are noticeably cleaner on my visits.

Windows in rural areas are no where near as greasy with tree sap as they used to be,
Certain annoying Pvc frames with gaps that always trapped dirt and had algae growth every month now have considerably less on them.

Have you used HOT water for Atleast 6 months consecutively? And by hot, I mean Atleast 40 degrees on the glass?

If you havent then I can see how you’d think I’m making it up. Go by your own experience though and not what others “think”.

Dig back through through Jonny's posts and you will find the exact same results with Vision that he's now getting with hot, we even got the you need to be using it for a certain amount of time to see the true results wibble, its like these guys have a hole that can never be filled.

Now I’m using additives and hot water.

Perfect combo.

I’d like to dig back through some of your old posts but I’d have to got through about ten different usernames.

Keep up the good work, you’ve obviously got plenty time on your hands.

[Shrek]

So as a newbie who is yet to start trading but taking time to look into the business as much as possible from vans and van setups canvassing and pricing.

Not one to worry about working in all kinds of weather as I am an outdoors person I was wondering what the general consensus was on hot water WFP advantages over cold if any and also best hot water system to add to van setup.

Ralphie - go and get some customers first then worry about hot or cold. If you’ve not even started yet then no point spending loads of money to find out you don’t like the job.

[james peters]

I would like to use hot , but cant make the figures work. yes faster cleaning, but more expense , running costs and maintenance .
common sense tells me it has to make cleaning better.
I have been adding added sparkle for a while and initially before using I thought it would be snake oil... however it does help with bird poo and snail trails.

[Dry Clean]

I would like to use hot , but cant make the figures work. yes faster cleaning, but more expense , running costs and maintenance .
common sense tells me it has to make cleaning better.
I have been adding added sparkle for a while and initially before using I thought it would be snake oil... however it does help with bird poo and snail trails.

James at one time I would have been the slowest shiner on here simply because I hadn't the confidence to stop over cleaning over rinsing and so on, not joking now the only way I could go quicker would be  to miss parts of the glass, hot, rinse bars, snake oils, parts per billion water they are all nothing more than confidence boosters.