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NWH

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2019, 10:24:53 am »
When I used to just do the odd place for a few quid I ended up being runoff my feet due to enquires when word got round,cleaning windows for 4-5 quid a pop spells desperation to me what can you buy for that these days or 15 years ago employing someone’s services for that amount of money,no wonder us shiners are looked down on.

Stoots

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2019, 11:37:42 am »
The thing is though, it's not just two windows and a door though is it.  It's two windows plus a large bay or you could even say its five windows plus a door.
Simplifying it to two windows simplifies the price in a person's head and justifies a cheap price.

Yes this customer in en route to another street, just round the corner where I clean two neighbours at £25 per clean every 4 weeks.
I don't charge for my time or per minute and even if I did clean ten houses on that street, I would still want the same price as if I just had one or two.

With better prices, it simply means I don't have to work hard each day or long hours etc and I guess many on here know I don't like to work hard  ;D ;D
Some have it in their heads that I don't even rinse 😂

Yes it's two windows and a door.

It's a bay but it not a BAY, it's 3 sides and it has them brown frames that barely need to be touched.

I'm not saying dont charge a tenner, great if you can get a tenner all I'm saying is don't be surprised you were undercut as there's lots who would undercut you on that and still make a decent profit.

I do charge for my time, that's how I've always prices houses. I dont price a house simply on how many windows, I price on parking, location, etc in other words how long will it take me including travel time etc.

I would rather have 10 of them on one street at £6 than1 at a tenner because i way over priced it and I would still be on £100 an hour at those prices

Stoots

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2019, 11:44:57 am »
I’d go as far as to say your ripping them off someone said lol,£10 for someone to travel to you’re address to clean you’re Windows for 10 quid lol.
I wouldn’t do it for 10 quid I do about 10 flats all £15 and are within easy reach of each other and they take 5-6 minutes each,I’m trying to run a business to pay bills not a few days. Week for beer money. 10 of them to fill my van up with fuel no thanks they are newbie jobs that’s the kind of stuff a canvasser will get for you or a lead generation company.

I could clean those for £6 and still do £250 + a day easily.

That might be beer money where you are but in my area it's aa good crack...

That's why I think it makes no sense someone commenting on prices in another area

£15 a front is just as alien to me and a £5 one is to you. Different worlds.

Edge Clean

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2019, 12:34:26 pm »
Nathan

How much would you charge for the whole house? Assuming there is a similar amount of glass around back? And no access issues.

Tam


nathankaye

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2019, 02:12:19 pm »
Nathan

How much would you charge for the whole house? Assuming there is a similar amount of glass around back? And no access issues.

Tam

My min price is for a basic 2 or 3 bed semi house, which has basic two up n two downstairs windows.
A min price is just that, a min price. So if the full house fitted my requirements for min fee, it would be £10.
I priced one the other day for £15 for the full house but it's depending if she opens the garage for rear window access. I also mentioned my min price (which she knew as she contacted me from an advert which states this), so if it was a front clean only, it would be £10. She said that's fair and agreed with those terms.

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nathankaye

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2019, 02:24:52 pm »
I’d go as far as to say your ripping them off someone said lol,£10 for someone to travel to you’re address to clean you’re Windows for 10 quid lol.
I wouldn’t do it for 10 quid I do about 10 flats all £15 and are within easy reach of each other and they take 5-6 minutes each,I’m trying to run a business to pay bills not a few days. Week for beer money. 10 of them to fill my van up with fuel no thanks they are newbie jobs that’s the kind of stuff a canvasser will get for you or a lead generation company.

I could clean those for £6 and still do £250 + a day easily.

That might be beer money where you are but in my area it's aa good crack...

That's why I think it makes no sense someone commenting on prices in another area

£15 a front is just as alien to me and a £5 one is to you. Different worlds.

I have a friend who purposely keeps his prices low, to keep competition out of his patch (yes he refers to it as his patch still).  However he still looses work to higher charging cleaners, myself included because if it looks like rain, he won't work.  I purposely charge high, as I don't want to take work of him, but when they are willing to pay double his price, then it speaks for itself!

Another point, the street around the corner from this house in question, I charge £25 each and its two houses.  So let's say, this chap would charge a tenner, that's five houses he has to clean to make the same as me in about 30-40mins to make £50.

Or in your example, £250 a days work at £6 pr House is over 40 houses a day to clean, compared to 25 @ £10 a clean.  We both get there, but one is working harder and longer than the other.
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G Griffin

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2019, 03:05:40 pm »
I’d go as far as to say your ripping them off someone said lol,£10 for someone to travel to you’re address to clean you’re Windows for 10 quid lol.
I wouldn’t do it for 10 quid I do about 10 flats all £15 and are within easy reach of each other and they take 5-6 minutes each,I’m trying to run a business to pay bills not a few days. Week for beer money. 10 of them to fill my van up with fuel no thanks they are newbie jobs that’s the kind of stuff a canvasser will get for you or a lead generation company.

I could clean those for £6 and still do £250 + a day easily.

That might be beer money where you are but in my area it's aa good crack...

That's why I think it makes no sense someone commenting on prices in another area

£15 a front is just as alien to me and a £5 one is to you. Different worlds.

I have a friend who purposely keeps his prices low, to keep competition out of his patch (yes he refers to it as his patch still).  However he still looses work to higher charging cleaners, myself included because if it looks like rain, he won't work.  I purposely charge high, as I don't want to take work of him, but when they are willing to pay double his price, then it speaks for itself!

Another point, the street around the corner from this house in question, I charge £25 each and its two houses.  So let's say, this chap would charge a tenner, that's five houses he has to clean to make the same as me in about 30-40mins to make £50.

Or in your example, £250 a days work at £6 pr House is over 40 houses a day to clean, compared to 25 @ £10 a clean.  We both get there, but one is working harder and longer than the other.
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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2019, 03:12:28 pm »
Nathan, why aren’t you at work today?

nathankaye

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2019, 03:24:14 pm »
Nathan, why aren’t you at work today?

Didn't say I wasn't!
I've worked till early afternoon, then I've got other commitments 👍😁 nice try tho buddy
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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2019, 03:48:36 pm »
Nathan, why aren’t you at work today?

He's sat in his van spanking the monkey  :P
We look at them, they look through them.

Dave Willis

Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2019, 04:33:09 pm »
Don’t know where he gets the energy from, been at it most of the day.

dazmond

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2019, 06:15:40 pm »
i clean some front only jobs for £4 on compact estate work(albeit no bay windows and the windows are smaller).im still earning £45-£50 an hour (mixed in with full houses) on this work.....

pity them? why?they can charge what they want its their business.......theres no set charge for window cleaning....

Thats a fair point, but when a person is paid a tenner for over a year for cleaning windows, which obviously the customer was happy to do so. Someone comes along and thinks four quid is a fair price and gets the job. One he's undercut someone to get the job and yes I'm sure they would be aware of that and know its a cheap price. Second, he's loosing £6 on that clean compared to what other people would get, so yes I pity them for working in such a way.
Like your own example, would you rather clean the fronts of a street for a tenner or as some have offered, £8. Compared to less than half that price which you are currently charging. In effect more than doubling your hourly rate on that stretch?
It would pay for your heated seats n diesel heater nicely

i earn plenty mate to pay for my diesel heater,heated seats and luxury holidays......no need to be greedy.....im happy with £4 for 3 mins work.....
price higher/work harder!

james peters

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2019, 06:34:15 pm »
ladies. put your handbags down
surely we all have some where we charge slightly more for a stand alone front?
and surely we sometimes have a run that we can charge lower prices .
I know I do.
for example , I clean a small cottage front and back which is on a run of houses I do. she asked me to clean the front of her nieces , another very small terraced , 2 up one down and a door.  so I charge £4 for that and the aunty pays .
within a matter of months I had a run of 16 small fronts, all charged at £4 each.... they take around an hour including the collecting, and they all pay for eachother.. in fact the collecting takes nearly as long as the cleaning.. all paid on the clean tho and no returning.
I am happy to do this , but I don't target this type of work, I just came by it by chance. I wouldn't actively seek this type of work.
I also do stand alone fronts like in the opening thread and charge £8..... now I do find this a pain, but continue in the hope that I will get more in the street like it. again I do this through it being a relative of another good paying customer or a referral.
I wouldn't actively go seeking it...

dazmond

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2019, 06:39:58 pm »
Nathan

How much would you charge for the whole house? Assuming there is a similar amount of glass around back? And no access issues.

Tam

i have some similar houses on some parts of my round and charge £15 for front and back,£20 if they have a conny.....
price higher/work harder!

robbo333

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2019, 06:52:27 pm »
I don't care about other peoples' prices!
I don't care if they are half my price or twice my price.
I don't care if they do a good job or a crap job.
1 don't care if they take 2 mins or 2 hours.
I don't care if they stand on the tiles or on the plants.
I don't care if they drive a big posh van or little old sh11ter.
It would seem i'm not a very caring person!  ;D
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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2019, 06:57:39 pm »
I don't care about other peoples' prices!
I don't care if they are half my price or twice my price.
I don't care if they do a good job or a crap job.
1 don't care if they take 2 mins or 2 hours.
I don't care if they stand on the tiles or on the plants.
I don't care if they drive a big posh van or little old sh11ter.
It would seem i'm not a very caring person!  ;D

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2019, 07:35:19 pm »
So I charge a tenner for the front clean of a customers house, similar to the one posted below.
Just had an email to cancel as her neighbours cleaner will do it for.................. £4!
Wow,   nope not angry or anything, I just pity the guy.



Then it's also the time for them to crawl from under the wood work....

£10 for that is expensive, i would go even further and say you are ripping them off! In this case you have overpriced yourself out of a Job, so it's not a race to the bottom. Would you be happy if your Mum was paying £10 for that! And you don't even Rinse!!





I don’t think that’s over priced , we have a minimum price of £10  so that’s what we would charge , wouldn’t be bothered if we got it or not , but when there  currant cleaner stopes coming in a few months I certainly wouldn’t be going back

James Styles

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2019, 09:11:37 pm »
I do a front house very similar to that for £5, I feel i underpriced it slightly after I done it but I’m just starting out, I feel £7 would be about right now that I’m getting used to the work & pricing.
Would probably be too soon for me to try raise the price to £7 after just one clean, suppose you live and learn.

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2019, 11:06:36 pm »
Or in your example, £250 a days work at £6 pr House is over 40 houses a day to clean, compared to 25 @ £10 a clean.  We both get there, but one is working harder and longer than the other.

What I think is more important here is how much of that £250 you can keep in your pocket.

I'm the £6/£7/£8 x 30/40 house type of window cleaner, your obviously, the latter.

But I bet after expenses I have a lot more of it in my pocket than you  ;D ;D ;D

nathankaye

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Re: Race to the bottom continues
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2019, 11:43:25 pm »
Or in your example, £250 a days work at £6 pr House is over 40 houses a day to clean, compared to 25 @ £10 a clean.  We both get there, but one is working harder and longer than the other.

What I think is more important here is how much of that £250 you can keep in your pocket.

I'm the £6/£7/£8 x 30/40 house type of window cleaner, your obviously, the latter.

But I bet after expenses I have a lot more of it in my pocket than you  ;D ;D ;D

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