[Smudger]

I’m really not sure why people are so ANTI getting daily inspection sheets in their vehicles - inspection takes a few minutes and you put the paperwork in a folder at the end of the week (well fortnightly for me)

Do you not carry out checks because your worried about what you find ?

Darran

[John Mart]

In an ideal world there's lots we can do to reduce health and safety risks, but whether formally or informally we have a likelihood/impact chart in our heads. So with a PSV or HGV we balance the scale of the impact with the likelihood and we are more rigorous with our checks. The law requires that. 

Ensuring that window cleaning vans are road worthy by means of carrying out the repair of reported faults and maintaining the vehicles in line with manufacturer's requirements is what is required by law. If you go beyond that, give yourself a shiny.

You need to step away from the internet. Tosh has turned you into an argumentative git.

It's the law that if you drive a vehicle on the road you should ensure it is road worthy. You will be fined if you get caught driving one that isn't. It's that simple.

It isn't the law that you undertake daily checks. That is what several posters are claiming.

[John Mart]

I’m really not sure why people are so ANTI getting daily inspection sheets in their vehicles - inspection takes a few minutes and you put the paperwork in a folder at the end of the week (well fortnightly for me)

Do you not carry out checks because your worried about what you find ?

Darran

Nope. 4 vehicles including a truck. 2014,  2016, 2018, 2018. I'm not worried at all. Any faults are fixed ASAP. Tyres checked regularly etc.

[CleanClear]

It isn't the law that you undertake daily checks. That is what several posters are claiming.

The law prohibits you from taking an unroadworthy vehicle on the road. Its the same thing.

[Arnold Palmer]

It isn't the law that you undertake daily checks. That is what several posters are claiming.

The law prohibits you from taking an unroadworthy vehicle on the road. Its the same thing.

Nah, you don't need to check them EVERY DAY.

Not days they aren't going to be driven on the road anyway.

[CleanClear]

It isn't the law that you undertake daily checks. That is what several posters are claiming.

The law prohibits you from taking an unroadworthy vehicle on the road. Its the same thing.

Nah, you don't need to check them EVERY DAY.

Not days they aren't going to be driven on the road anyway.

Correct, pre use checks they should really be called.

[John Mart]

It isn't the law that you undertake daily checks. That is what several posters are claiming.

The law prohibits you from taking an unroadworthy vehicle on the road. Its the same thing.

It isn't the same thing at all. I don't check my car every day before driving it but any faults become apparent whilst driving. I check the tyres every few weeks though. If you're driving 10+ years old vans then fair enough perhaps.

[CleanClear]

Look, don't buy these they're a waste of time:

https://www.novadata.co.uk/det/736/Van_Drivers_Daily_Check_Defect_Book/


Ignore this, its a load of waffle:

https://www.cbvcvehiclemanagement.co.uk/post/daily-vehicle-checks/

And ignore this, i mean its not like Insurance Companies know anything about managing risk:

https://www.aviva.co.uk/risksolutions/knowledgestore/answer/1609/

Carry on just as you are, you'll be fine.   We're just telling you stuff to be awkward.  Luckily, being astute you saw through it all. Sorry about that. We had you going for a bit though didn't we ? !!!   

[Arnold Palmer]

Look, don't buy these they're a waste of time:

https://www.novadata.co.uk/det/736/Van_Drivers_Daily_Check_Defect_Book/


Ignore this, its a load of waffle:

https://www.cbvcvehiclemanagement.co.uk/post/daily-vehicle-checks/

And ignore this, i mean its not like Insurance Companies know anything about managing risk:

https://www.aviva.co.uk/risksolutions/knowledgestore/answer/1609/

Carry on just as you are, you'll be fine.   We're just telling you stuff to be awkward.  Luckily, being astute you saw through it all. Sorry about that. We had you going for a bit though didn't we ? !!!   

You're just a shill for the £2.16 vehicle check book group.

Follow the money.

[John Mart]

Look, don't buy these they're a waste of time:

https://www.novadata.co.uk/det/736/Van_Drivers_Daily_Check_Defect_Book/


Ignore this, its a load of waffle:

https://www.cbvcvehiclemanagement.co.uk/post/daily-vehicle-checks/

And ignore this, i mean its not like Insurance Companies know anything about managing risk:

https://www.aviva.co.uk/risksolutions/knowledgestore/answer/1609/

Carry on just as you are, you'll be fine.   We're just telling you stuff to be awkward.  Luckily, being astute you saw through it all. Sorry about that. We had you going for a bit though didn't we ? !!!   

There is no legal requirement for daily vehicle inspections for vans.

As stated above, I've decided to introduce a weekly checklist, but don't give legal advice unless you know what you're talking about. I've posted the links to the relevant documents and a daily checklist is NOT a legal requirement. I don't quite know why you're persisting.

[Smudger]

I think we’re persisting because we would hate to see you caught by the law

I will post this and that will be last on this subject - personally I still don’t see why you have to resist other than to be bloody minded and not prepared to concede you may be wrong

Your Legal Obligations:

As part of you the Road Traffic Act 1988, your declaration to ensure your vans are maintained to a roadworthy standard includes ensuring your drivers carry out daily walk around checks of your vehicles. The check should cover the external condition, ensuring in particular that the lights, tyres, wheel fixings, bodywork, trailer coupling, load and ancillary serviceable. Drivers must be able to report any defects that could prevent the safe operation of the vehicle

 Best regards

Darran

[LT carpet cleaning]

I liked it so much I mentioned it in the Brexit thread!

 

If it's done with the intent of humiliation I'd say it was unacceptable behaviour from a forum moderator.

Not often I’d agree with 8w, but he’s right. Goldy you are a bit of an old hypocrite.

[CleanClear]

As stated above, I've decided to introduce a weekly checklist, but don't give legal advice unless you know what you're talking about. I've posted the links to the relevant documents and a daily checklist is NOT a legal requirement. I don't quite know why you're persisting.

You're forgetting who you are arguing with and who you aint and what people are saying. I didn't give legal advice, i advised you best practice and what you should do. I do know what i'm talking about. So i will give you the legal take on it for your avoidance of any doubt:
Road Traffic Act 1988

Section 38:The Highway Code.

(1)The Highway Code shall continue to have effect, subject however to revision in accordance with the following provisions of this section.

(7)A failure on the part of a person to observe a provision of the Highway Code shall not of itself render that person liable to criminal proceedings of any kind but any such failure may in any proceedings (whether civil or criminal, and including proceedings for an offence under the Traffic Acts, the M1Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981 or sections 18 to 23 of the M2Transport Act 1985) be relied upon by any party to the proceedings as tending to establish or negative any liability which is in question in those proceedings.


Lets see what the Highway Code tells us to do:


I see there is different rule for "Commercial Vehicles" , lets see what that says............



Ah, you're gonna say you aint a Commercial Vehicle maybe ? Your Insurance Policy will probably tell you that you are a Commercial Vehicle, as will the DVSA who can stop and check you..........





And finally, not legal advice granted, but best practice advised by the people who actually Police vans and light goods vehicles  .............
https://www.novadata.co.uk/userdata/files/your-van-best-practice-guide.pdf

You are a perfect example of why it says  "do not drink"  on a bottle of bleach.

[John Mart]

I think we’re persisting because we would hate to see you caught by the law

I will post this and that will be last on this subject - personally I still don’t see why you have to resist other than to be bloody minded and not prepared to concede you may be wrong

Your Legal Obligations:

As part of you the Road Traffic Act 1988, your declaration to ensure your vans are maintained to a roadworthy standard includes ensuring your drivers carry out daily walk around checks of your vehicles. The check should cover the external condition, ensuring in particular that the lights, tyres, wheel fixings, bodywork, trailer coupling, load and ancillary serviceable. Drivers must be able to report any defects that could prevent the safe operation of the vehicle

 Best regards

Darran

This is getting silly.

From Government website about vans. A checklist:

3. Operator checklist
Use this checklist to help make your van fleet roadworthy and compliant.

3.1 Check and repair your vans
You should:

carry out daily walkaround checks before using your vans and record any defects
fix any major defects before your vans are sent out
keep a record of your van repairs
3.2 Maintain your vans
You should:

service your vehicles to at least the minimum standard in line with the manufacturer’s guidelines
get qualified people to frequently check safety critical components like brakes if your vans are subject to demanding work
make sure your vans are always insured, taxed and MOT’d and document this process
3.3 Keep records
You should keep records of the following for at least 15 months as part of an effective maintenance system:

From same government website about operating HGVs

Carrying out your own inspections and maintenance

If you carry out your own safety inspections and maintenance, you must keep records that include:

vehicle details
a list of all items to be inspected
when and by whom the inspection is carried out
the result of the inspection
details of any work carried out
a declaration that any defects have been properly fixed
Walkaround checks
You must make sure your drivers carry out a ‘walkaround check’ before driving a vehicle for the first time each day.

One is SHOULD and is just a checklist and the other is MUST.

There is no legal requirement to carry out daily checks. If you do so, great! And it sounds as though you're forced down that road for certain certification for site work, but please don't give inaccurate legal advice.

[John Mart]

As stated above, I've decided to introduce a weekly checklist, but don't give legal advice unless you know what you're talking about. I've posted the links to the relevant documents and a daily checklist is NOT a legal requirement. I don't quite know why you're persisting.

You're forgetting who you are arguing with and who you aint and what people are saying. I didn't give legal advice, i advised you best practice and what you should do. I do know what i'm talking about. So i will give you the legal take on it for your avoidance of any doubt:
Road Traffic Act 1988

Section 38:The Highway Code.

(1)The Highway Code shall continue to have effect, subject however to revision in accordance with the following provisions of this section.

(7)A failure on the part of a person to observe a provision of the Highway Code shall not of itself render that person liable to criminal proceedings of any kind but any such failure may in any proceedings (whether civil or criminal, and including proceedings for an offence under the Traffic Acts, the M1Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981 or sections 18 to 23 of the M2Transport Act 1985) be relied upon by any party to the proceedings as tending to establish or negative any liability which is in question in those proceedings.


Lets see what the Highway Code tells us to do:


I see there is different rule for "Commercial Vehicles" , lets see what that says............



Ah, you're gonna say you aint a Commercial Vehicle maybe ? Your Insurance Policy will probably tell you that you are a Commercial Vehicle, as will the DVSA who can stop and check you..........





And finally, not legal advice granted, but best practice advised by the people who actually Police vans and light goods vehicles  .............
https://www.novadata.co.uk/userdata/files/your-van-best-practice-guide.pdf

You are a perfect example of why it says  "do not drink"  on a bottle of bleach.

There is no requirement by law for a daily written checklist.

Tell me where it says so in the Highway Code.

No one is arguing about whether it's best practice or not. I accept it is.

[CleanClear]

From same government website about operating HGVs

Carrying out your own inspections and maintenance

If you carry out your own safety inspections and maintenance, you must keep records that include:

vehicle details
a list of all items to be inspected
when and by whom the inspection is carried out
the result of the inspection
details of any work carried out
a declaration that any defects have been properly fixed
Walkaround checks
You must make sure your drivers carry out a ‘walkaround check’ before driving a vehicle for the first time each day.

One is SHOULD and is just a checklist and the other is MUST.

There is no legal requirement to carry out daily checks. If you do so, great! And it sounds as though you're forced down that road for certain certification for site work, but please don't give inaccurate legal advice.

Because you do not understand what you are reading.  Saftey Inspections on vehicles are seperate from pre use checks. They are set at frequencies decided by the Traffic Commisioner for the individual operator. They do not apply to vans. They are usually an indepth check of brack pipes/lines , drums, discs , cargo securing mechanisms, steering racks/ rods  etc... usually around the 8 weekly frequency ironically !!!!

[John Mart]

From same government website about operating HGVs

Carrying out your own inspections and maintenance

If you carry out your own safety inspections and maintenance, you must keep records that include:

vehicle details
a list of all items to be inspected
when and by whom the inspection is carried out
the result of the inspection
details of any work carried out
a declaration that any defects have been properly fixed
Walkaround checks
You must make sure your drivers carry out a ‘walkaround check’ before driving a vehicle for the first time each day.

One is SHOULD and is just a checklist and the other is MUST.

There is no legal requirement to carry out daily checks. If you do so, great! And it sounds as though you're forced down that road for certain certification for site work, but please don't give inaccurate legal advice.

Because you do not understand what you are reading.  Saftey Inspections on vehicles are seperate from pre use checks. They are set at frequencies decided by the Traffic Commisioner for the individual operator. They do not apply to vans. They are usually an indepth check of brack pipes/lines , drums, discs , cargo securing mechanisms, steering racks/ rods  etc... usually around the 8 weekly frequency ironically !!!!

I do understand. You didn't read it all. Look at the last line:

You must make sure your drivers carry out a ‘walkaround check’ before driving a vehicle for the first time each day.

[CleanClear]

I do understand. You didn't read it all. Look at the last line:

You must make sure your drivers carry out a ‘walkaround check’ before driving a vehicle for the first time each day.

Tell me how you ensure that happens ? WHats  your procedure if they have a fault/problem ?

[Splash & dash]

From same government website about operating HGVs

Carrying out your own inspections and maintenance

If you carry out your own safety inspections and maintenance, you must keep records that include:

vehicle details
a list of all items to be inspected
when and by whom the inspection is carried out
the result of the inspection
details of any work carried out
a declaration that any defects have been properly fixed
Walkaround checks
You must make sure your drivers carry out a ‘walkaround check’ before driving a vehicle for the first time each day.

One is SHOULD and is just a checklist and the other is MUST.

There is no legal requirement to carry out daily checks. If you do so, great! And it sounds as though you're forced down that road for certain certification for site work, but please don't give inaccurate legal advice.

Because you do not understand what you are reading.  Saftey Inspections on vehicles are seperate from pre use checks. They are set at frequencies decided by the Traffic Commisioner for the individual operator. They do not apply to vans. They are usually an indepth check of brack pipes/lines , drums, discs , cargo securing mechanisms, steering racks/ rods  etc... usually around the 8 weekly frequency ironically !!!!

I do understand. You didn't read it all. Look at the last line:

You must make sure your drivers carry out a ‘walkaround check’ before driving a vehicle for the first time each day.

And how do you prove that that has been done ? by a daily cheak sheet signed by the driver before comensing work . If you are stoped by the police or vosa you have to be able to prove it has been done in writing not just verbally. All emergency servjce vehicles and most big companies do this as a matter of course and have done for years , I was driving hgv  over 30 years ago for wincanton transport and we had them back then it’s nothing new , but checks have to be signed for you cannot just say you have done it

[dazmond]

whatever happened to common sense?

what a sad world we live in today......