[John Mart]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you can't take insults or criticism then you shouldn't be on a public forum in the first place.
If you want a place where know one has the right to freedom of speech then move to China or Russia.
Or set up your own forum/dictatorship with your own rules and maybe everyone who joins will happily hold hands with you and sing kumbyya.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but when its childish gigglers that are only trying to annoy the sh*t out of people then who needs that kind of input?


Constructive criticism is needed, playground humour and just downright negativity are not. It doesn't add anything to anyone but the very small minority are entertaining and egging each other on.

Lets be real, what you are saying is we dont need anything on here that you dont agree with.

You are unnecessarily abusive and just plain wrong. I stand by my comment that it's idiotic to call Lee a fraud when you hide your own identity when Lee's is out there for all to see.

[Dry Clean]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you can't take insults or criticism then you shouldn't be on a public forum in the first place.
If you want a place where know one has the right to freedom of speech then move to China or Russia.
Or set up your own forum/dictatorship with your own rules and maybe everyone who joins will happily hold hands with you and sing kumbyya.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but when its childish gigglers that are only trying to annoy the sh*t out of people then who needs that kind of input?


Constructive criticism is needed, playground humour and just downright negativity are not. It doesn't add anything to anyone but the very small minority are entertaining and egging each other on.

Lets be real, what you are saying is we dont need anything on here that you dont agree with.

You are unnecessarily abusive and just plain wrong. I stand by my comment that it's idiotic to call Lee a fraud when you hide your own identity when Lee's is out there for all to see.

Read his heater posts and then tell me he's still genuine, and you are in no position to call anybody on here abusive. (roll eyes)

[chris turner]

If we were all in a situation like down the local and a crowd we're having a conversation, and these people popped in with these kinds of comments then people would be getting sparked out for real.

Your comparing completely different things. You go to the pub with people you choose to go with, who's opinions you value and who's company you enjoy. This isn't a pub, it's a group discussion with people of wildly differentiating mental stability levels whom have freedom of speech (other then the use of profanity etc) I.e a public forum.
To mute the voices of those you don't want to talk to or who don't agree with you essentially makes it no longer a forum, but instead a rather boring place of brown nosing wannabes or a window cleaning facebook. Yuck

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[Granny]

Can't see what the fuss is all about. 
No one is forced to use this forum.
If you are determined to build a massive business why not just concentrate on that?
What is the great need to publicly document every achievement and every step along the way?
Winston S. Churchill — ‘You will never reach your destination if you stop and throw stones at every dog that barks.’

[jonboywalton75]

If Lee was like Dazmond he'd be happier.
I'm always having a light hearted stab at him and he just chills and carries on.
It's called banter.
No place for abuse anywhere though.
When I've commented on Lee's slightly arrogant (sometimes) attitude, I don't think it's been abusive, more like a reminder that no nobody likes a big head😊

[chris turner]

@Lee, do you ever not stop to consider that you bring all this on yourself?
The only thing you talk about on the forum is you, you and you. There are plenty of others on the forum with large established businesses who do not receive such negativity because they participate in the forum like normal people, and not like some godly entity with his own rules.
People are often to quick to blame others for negativity when in fact it is they that are drawing it upon themselves.

[jonboywalton75]

@Lee, do you ever not stop to consider that you bring all this on yourself?
The only thing you talk about on the forum is you, you and you. There are plenty of others on the forum with large established businesses who do not receive such negativity because they participate in the forum like normal people, and not like some godly entity with his own rules.
People are often to quick to blame others for negativity when in fact it is they that are drawing it upon themselves.

I liked this

[Pete Thompson]

Every forum has its idiots, and unfortunately banning people is no longer very effective as it’s easy to re-register with a different username and most IP addresses are dynamic too.

Unless you have a dedicated (and paid) team of full-time moderators who are constantly on the look out for trouble, it’s impossible to enforce.

The best advice I can give is to simply ignore those people who want to argue. By responding to them you perpetuate their behaviour.

After a while they’ll  get bored and disappear.

Speaking for myself, I am interested in what you have to say Lee, and have enjoyed following your progress. So please don’t get too frustrated by the naysayers, most members know what they’re like and just ignore them .

Just keep calm and carry on.

[Forum Admin]

Please also remember that our "opinions" aren't fact and in many cases we may have it wrong. The comments, topics and posts on here are only a tiny % of that person. Meeting people face to face is very often completely different.

[Forum Admin]

I also agree that it very easy to spot the negative comments and ignorance often makes them disappear.

[nathankaye]

If we were all in a situation like down the local and a crowd we're having a conversation, and these people popped in with these kinds of comments then people would be getting sparked out for real.

No they wouldn't, this forum in many ways reminds me of my long gone local days, we even had a Lee Pryor (we called him John Blow) there where plenty of heated arguments but it never went any further than words, that said the socially awkward never lasted long.

Haha im still reading page 1, so ive not read posts on 2nd page yet .
However this seems to be getting out of hand. One moment we agree that we have freedom of speech and the next we want to strike out at people for using their freedom, simply because you get offended or dont like what they have to say.

However freedom of speech does not mean an excuse to berate or verbally abuse others, thats when it can be policed.

It could be argued that this thread is turning into a hate thread if you had a certain mind take on the comments.

[jonboywalton75]

You've done well Nathan with all the 'comments' you've had aimed at you.
I'm sure we all have  issues in our lives that are more important than the fact that someone else somewhere who we'll probably never meet disagrees with us

[jonboywalton75]

Constructive criticism is needed, playground humour and just downright negativity are not. It doesn't add anything to anyone but the very small minority are entertaining and egging each other on.

Hey Spotfree, I've helped and been helped by others on this forum, too many to mention actually and it's been a great help to keep my business going, but I like a laugh in life now and again, so sorry but the banter will continue.
BTW I've never abused anyone on here, the odd criticism, but nothing else

[Dry Clean]

If we were all in a situation like down the local and a crowd we're having a conversation, and these people popped in with these kinds of comments then people would be getting sparked out for real.

No they wouldn't, this forum in many ways reminds me of my long gone local days, we even had a Lee Pryor (we called him John Blow) there where plenty of heated arguments but it never went any further than words, that said the socially awkward never lasted long.

Haha im still reading page 1, so ive not read posts on 2nd page yet .
However this seems to be getting out of hand. One moment we agree that we have freedom of speech and the next we want to strike out at people for using their freedom, simply because you get offended or dont like what they have to say.

However freedom of speech does not mean an excuse to berate or verbally abuse others, thats when it can be policed.

It could be argued that this thread is turning into a hate thread if you had a certain mind take on the comments.

I called Lee an idiot, 8 weekly called me an idiot, hate had nothing to do with either comment, the problem is once you resort to name calling you have already lost the argument so I should have known better.
Thing is its easy to type something in the heat of debate that you really shouldn't have, calling somebody an idiot doesn't help or add anything positive to a debate but its hardly a hanging offence.

[Dave Willis]

I just stay away from posts that don’t interest me or make me laugh. 😀

These types come and they go. Really they are on the wrong forum.

[Paul-kent]

The only way to solve this is violence. A charity boxing match at the next cleaning show and all proceeds go to Charity 

[jonboywalton75]

The only way to solve this is violence. A charity boxing match at the next cleaning show and all proceeds go to Charity 

Sounds good I'm up for that

Oh just realised, the only shows I want to go to are to do with Rock n Roll😎😂😅

[Bungle]

Mr prior doesn't understand the negativity towards him. Has he ever questioned himself why this could be? If I had loads of negativity towards me on a forum I'd probably start to think that I was doing something wrong or I was rubbing people up the wrong way. Why would I have negativity towards me? Possibly if I spouted stuff about me me me and how well I was doing. My neighbour is in the cleaning business and his company employs over 100 people. He doesn't come on here telling total strangers how well he's doing. If he did he'd only do it so he could have his balls tickled. Ya get me?

Mr prior, you have done very very well so there you go your balls have been tickled 👍

[Forum Admin]

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Have a great evening