[AuRavelling79]

In answer to Chris Turner's assertions about selling  his house was easy for Lee to do yada yada yada ...

I could sell my house put 250,000 into a business and rent a place nearby for a couple of years with the 25K left over whether I had a family or not. The fact that I choose not to because ...

A) It would frighten me witless
B) It would distract me from my family for too long
C) I don't have the burning need to prove to myself what I can achieve in business/financially.
D) Knowing my make up it would not do my health any good

Why snipe and point the finger at someone else who has and who comes on here and explains what he has done and how he has done it? When I was in sales and had had a particularly (rare) good run the Sales Director of my company smiled wryly and said "Mind you Malc, when you're up on the white charger someone is always looking to knock you off, so keep up the good work!"

I would suggest Lee considers - take a look at Matt Chapter 7 v 6 and Acts 20 v 35. And find the right balance once you have done so. 

Edited to add ... it seems to me that you are the one that feels baited to answer Chris.
 

[G Griffin]

I clean the windows for Keith Abel, he of Abel and Cole fame.

Thoroughly nice guy.

Anyway he made his fortune by stealing £2,000 from his brother which he used to buy a load of spuds from a dealer in. Covent Garden, which he then sold door to door in London.

I have no idea what hes worth now, its a lot i imagine. He still works but last year had a heart bypass op, stress.....

He's still Abel, then?

[AuRavelling79]

"Thoroughly nice guy" and "stole £2,000 off his brother" don't exactly go hand in glove do they? 

[Slacky]

Nope. But he didnt steal from me, so I guess i dont feel a need to judge.

[AuRavelling79]

Nope. But he didnt steal from me, so I guess i dont feel a need to judge.

You did. You judged him to be a thoroughly nice guy. Then you presented evidence to the contrary.

[AuRavelling79]

I clean the windows for Keith Abel, he of Abel and Cole fame.

Thoroughly nice guy.

Anyway he made his fortune by stealing £2,000 from his brother which he used to buy a load of spuds from a dealer in. Covent Garden, which he then sold door to door in London.

I have no idea what hes worth now, its a lot i imagine. He still works but last year had a heart bypass op, stress.....

He's still Abel, then?

Good job his brother wasn't called Cain.

[Slacky]

Nope. But he didnt steal from me, so I guess i dont feel a need to judge.

You did. You judged him to be a thoroughly nice guy. Then you presented evidence to the contrary.

He's always been a nice guy to me.

[dazmond]

As a pure example and no I'm not  very pro trump but May I add. Donald Trump inherited a fortune from his multi-millionaire father. Enough money to probably by 1000 apartments in posh New York upper East Side and live a very very very above average lifestyle let's just say that the rental income alone would be worth an absolute fortune today. A lot of people tend to criticize him for inheriting money and that all you had to do was invested in anything... that's not true he could have lost it all as well if you wasn't careful in those stocks for example they could have all gone down.

He decided to invest and take a calculated risk with the Commodore building during a time when New York was basically going through a depression.

My point is I'm not here to talk about specifics whether or not somebody inherited money or not.
It takes a lot of determination and hard work to build something up and strive for something.

Honestly it's not given to you for just having a bit of old or family money. How many people have you heard of who have basically spent all their inheritance made the wrong moves.... you have to work hard you have to be a go getter and you have to have a vision that goes without saying

Dare I say perhaps my finest post for a while!

its not the upper east side new york(thats the poorer part of manhattan).its the upper west side,literally every other building is a trump tower!ive been twice now......both times i flew business class as well for £200!due to my girlfriend i was seeing at the time as she worked for british airways for 15 years so she added me to her concessionary travel,i only had to pay the airport tax......happy days.....

[chris turner]

In answer to Chris Turner's assertions about selling  his house was easy for Lee to do yada yada yada ...

I could sell my house put 250,000 into a business and rent a place nearby for a couple of years with the 25K left over whether I had a family or not. The fact that I choose not to because ...

A) It would frighten me witless
B) It would distract me from my family for too long
C) I don't have the burning need to prove to myself what I can achieve in business/financially.
D) Knowing my make up it would not do my health any good

Why snipe and point the finger at someone else who has and who comes on here and explains what he has done and how he has done it? When I was in sales and had had a particularly (rare) good run the Sales Director of my company smiled wryly and said "Mind you Malc, when you're up on the white charger someone is always looking to knock you off, so keep up the good work!"

I would suggest Lee considers - take a look at Matt Chapter 7 v 6 and Acts 20 v 35. And find the right balance once you have done so. 

Edited to add ... it seems to me that you are the one that feels baited to answer Chris.

Nothing wrong with success. When one feels the need to constantly remind others of their success however it shows the true reason why they wanted to be successful in the first place.
You would have thought all that time living with mum she could have at least taught him that know likes a show off.

[chris turner]

I guess the negative responses come from different people's upbringing.
I come from a fairly wealthy self made family. My grandad (mums side of the family) started out as a sign writer before building up a quite a big property empire and owning a gym. All of the properties, including gym were paid off years ago and he made, and continues to make a mint to this day. He dresses like a homeless man and drives around in 25 year van that blows huge amounts of smoke from the exhaust. Who would believe he has total assets in the 2 million range...
My nan (dad's side of the family) back in the 50s and 60s set up snack vans catering to all the hungry workers at factories and warehouses. She ended up owning a huge fleet before selling the business on, buying a run down pub in ascot, turning it into a hugely profitable posh bistro restaurant and selling it for 1 million in 1989. She bought a small bungalow in Cornwall and invested all the money.
Both of them are hugely influential in my life but both of them also taught me modesty. They never flaunt want they have and they never gave me a penny, even when I asked for help when I first set up my business.
As my my nan always said, NEVER share details of your wealth with anyone other then close family. Nobody needs to know.

[John Mart]

I guess the negative responses come from different people's upbringing.
I come from a fairly wealthy self made family. My grandad (mums side of the family) started out as a sign writer before building up a quite a big property empire and owning a gym. All of the properties, including gym were paid off years ago and he made, and continues to make a mint to this day. He dresses like a homeless man and drives around in 25 year van that blows huge amounts of smoke from the exhaust. Who would believe he has total assets in the 2 million range...
My nan (dad's side of the family) back in the 50s and 60s set up snack vans catering to all the hungry workers at factories and warehouses. She ended up owning a huge fleet before selling the business on, buying a run down pub in ascot, turning it into a hugely profitable posh bistro restaurant and selling it for 1 million in 1989. She bought a small bungalow in Cornwall and invested all the money.
Both of them are hugely influential in my life but both of them also taught me modesty. They never flaunt want they have and they never gave me a penny, even when I asked for help when I first set up my business.
As my my nan always said, NEVER share details of your wealth with anyone other then close family. Nobody needs to know.

So you're angry at your family for not helping you out and taking it out on Lee who with nobody's help has set up a fantastic business. It just comes across as sour grapes and petty jealousy. If you weren't envious, you'd just ignore the thread.

[Pete Thompson]

Here’s my question for Lee:

What do you find is the best mechanism to finance new vans and systems?

You may have the cash flow to purchase outright now, but before that did you use a finance company, personal loan, business loan etc?

[nathankaye]

I guess the negative responses come from different people's upbringing.
I come from a fairly wealthy self made family. My grandad (mums side of the family) started out as a sign writer before building up a quite a big property empire and owning a gym. All of the properties, including gym were paid off years ago and he made, and continues to make a mint to this day. He dresses like a homeless man and drives around in 25 year van that blows huge amounts of smoke from the exhaust. Who would believe he has total assets in the 2 million range...
My nan (dad's side of the family) back in the 50s and 60s set up snack vans catering to all the hungry workers at factories and warehouses. She ended up owning a huge fleet before selling the business on, buying a run down pub in ascot, turning it into a hugely profitable posh bistro restaurant and selling it for 1 million in 1989. She bought a small bungalow in Cornwall and invested all the money.
Both of them are hugely influential in my life but both of them also taught me modesty. They never flaunt want they have and they never gave me a penny, even when I asked for help when I first set up my business.
As my my nan always said, NEVER share details of your wealth with anyone other then close family. Nobody needs to know.

So you're angry at your family for not helping you out and taking it out on Lee who with nobody's help has set up a fantastic business. It just comes across as sour grapes and petty jealousy. If you weren't envious, you'd just ignore the thread.

Chris, i may be wrong here, but havent you just done the same as what you acuse lee of doing?  Do we need to know your family history and wealth?  Did you feel compelled to tell/share inorder to what?  Seem humble because you dont but you just did?
Its awfully confusing
😂😂

[chris turner]

I guess the negative responses come from different people's upbringing.
I come from a fairly wealthy self made family. My grandad (mums side of the family) started out as a sign writer before building up a quite a big property empire and owning a gym. All of the properties, including gym were paid off years ago and he made, and continues to make a mint to this day. He dresses like a homeless man and drives around in 25 year van that blows huge amounts of smoke from the exhaust. Who would believe he has total assets in the 2 million range...
My nan (dad's side of the family) back in the 50s and 60s set up snack vans catering to all the hungry workers at factories and warehouses. She ended up owning a huge fleet before selling the business on, buying a run down pub in ascot, turning it into a hugely profitable posh bistro restaurant and selling it for 1 million in 1989. She bought a small bungalow in Cornwall and invested all the money.
Both of them are hugely influential in my life but both of them also taught me modesty. They never flaunt want they have and they never gave me a penny, even when I asked for help when I first set up my business.
As my my nan always said, NEVER share details of your wealth with anyone other then close family. Nobody needs to know.

So you're angry at your family for not helping you out and taking it out on Lee who with nobody's help has set up a fantastic business. It just comes across as sour grapes and petty jealousy. If you weren't envious, you'd just ignore the thread.

Chris, i may be wrong here, but havent you just done the same as what you acuse lee of doing?  Do we need to know your family history and wealth?  Did you feel compelled to tell/share inorder to what?  Seem humble because you dont but you just did?
Its awfully confusing
😂😂

Only you could come to that conclusion Nathan. It's not MY wealth I'm talking about is it. It's family history. I am not wealthy nor poor.

[chris turner]

Another thing that has always stuck with me...
My first ever job after leaving college was on a huge MOD building site. Being young, naive and curious I was always asking everyone on site what they earnt. For some strange reason know one ever gave me a straight answer. "Enough, "probably more then you" or "5 peanuts, 2 bananas and a melon", were just some of the answers I got back.
So one day I asked one of the guys that why is it know ever talks about what they earn. He said to me he doesn't know exactly why, but it's like an unwritten moral code amongst men. "You don't ask and you don't tell", it's as simple as that he said.
I don't know if this an old school way of thinking but I think as soon as Lee decided to constantly remind everyone of his earnings, he broke this "unwritten code" and invoked the negativity upon himself.

[Lee Pryor]

Here’s my question for Lee:

What do you find is the best mechanism to finance new vans and systems?

You may have the cash flow to purchase outright now, but before that did you use a finance company, personal loan, business loan etc?

Hi Pete

I always have and still do finance our vans and systems. I really only want to spend our cash flow on marketing. I use Kennet equipment leasing who are a broker, ask for Adrian Lamb who is one of the directors. I get the van and system under a single payment plan which is a 5 year lease purchase meaning you own it at the end with no balloon payment to make.

[cleaniac]

Hi Lee.

What sort of deposit did you have to pay.

I'm currently looking at a new van for my next stage of growth in 2019.

Do they maintain the equipment for you?

[Arnold Palmer]

Hi Lee.

What sort of deposit did you have to pay.

I'm currently looking at a new van for my next stage of growth in 2019.

Do they maintain the equipment for you?

Normal practice when buying a van is to pay 20% as a deposit.

[Forum Admin]

Guys, please keep to the topic, if you've nothing positive to say or ask please refrain from posting - nobody wants to read negativity and it certainly isn't helpful to others. CIU is not the platform to abuse for this.

[Lee Pryor]

Hi Lee.

What sort of deposit did you have to pay.

I'm currently looking at a new van for my next stage of growth in 2019.

Do they maintain the equipment for you?

In the past I have paid between 10/20%

No they do not maintain anything, its your equipment.