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Oliver James

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2019, 03:27:49 pm »
£200 a month, plus 60p a transaction.

The transaction fee decreases a lot once you hit very high volumes like 100k a month!

Arnold Palmer

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2019, 03:31:49 pm »
You're going to need around £30K+ P/M before it covers the cost of standard GoCardless, which seems about fair. I suppose if I "did a Pryor"  ;D it might be worth it. It'd certainly reduce admin.
#aliens

Lee Pryor

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2019, 03:35:12 pm »
Everyone should do a Pryor mate
The best way to predict the future is to create it.

Suffolkcleaners

  • Posts: 748
Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2019, 11:14:52 pm »
Update on how I got on. Only tried it with 10 existing slow paying customers. Only 1 has signed up and the others haven’t replied (as I sent them the invite via text message and link but no response)

Also another thought maybe some people do live month to month so would be put off with the idea of me potentially taking money before payday. Hard to fathom in some cases they can’t pay a tenner or £15 bit perhaps some people are stretched.

Decision time try another approach or dump them..(these are late payers who do pay eventually after around 3 text message reminders)

Thank god a high majority just pay online promptly. It is annoying though as those few handfuls still add up!

Suffolkcleaners

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2019, 11:38:59 pm »
To all customers. Please note we are now requesting payments via this option.

Since January 2019 I have introduced  the option to pay by direct debit and thus making it easier to pay for your window cleaning service.

How it works.....

No clean,NO payment made!!
After I clean your windows I process a payment through a company I pay to process a direct debit(the same way in which you pay for most of your direct debits). You will receive an email several days before payments are collected, which is usually 7 working days AFTER the windows have been cleaned. Obviously protected by the direct debit guarantee.

Please see link below to sign up.

This is what I’ve been using to text customers.... is my lack of response down to the wording?

Any advice? Also I’m planning on requesting the money ad hoc(after I’ve cleaned not on a set day)

Excuse my complete lack of knowledge. I’ve only got one who has signed up so far (having said that only tried around 7-10 via text).


Suffolkcleaners

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2019, 11:41:23 pm »
I’ve had a  link added to my website also on home page and was thinking of printing a little slip to go with customers bill next time to explain. Quite surprised at only 1 in 10 actually responding and signing up.

Like I said though the majority thankfully pay normal online banking no probs

Stoots

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2019, 06:19:14 am »
Offer them a free clean or 50% off or some other incentive.

Even doing that though a lot are reluctant.

I text about 200 a few months ago and only got 20 odd to sign up.

I'll keep offering though.

Might be worth printing an A4 sheet off giving a full explanation to how it work and s free clean offer if they sign up. Stick that it their letter box 2-3 times a year or even better get a double sided leaflet printed with it on the back of your windows cleaned today slips

As a last resort you could even say sign up or find another cleaner, if they are really slow payers this might be an option.

In future only take on work that signs up to GC. I don't do this to honest because I find about half of those I quote to turn their nose up at it. If I was full with work however it would make sense


Suffolkcleaners

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2019, 08:33:58 am »
Thanks Gomo

Maybe it would be better to see these customers face to face and explain. I just don’t understand why certain customers just ALWAYS pay late. It’s the principal that niggles me as they appear to have nice houses etc.

Maybe the option of sign up or dump is the way to go for these select few. Just need to work out how to word it......

Oliver James

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2019, 08:39:59 am »
About three years ago, we started putting details about how to sign up to Go Cardless on the slip we put the through the door.

It was printed on bright yellow card, an 3 flyer folded in two, and printed on 150gsm card, so basically four sides of a6.

This meant that about  35% of the round converted to Go Cardless over time. We combined this with ONLY allowing new customers to pay by DD, and after two years there were about 150 customers left who were non-DD.

Slacky

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2019, 08:44:06 am »
Offer them a free clean or 50% off or some other incentive.

No, bin them. Its your business terms.

Oliver James

  • Posts: 210
Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2019, 08:44:22 am »
Having customers that pay late is just not worth it.

All that time you spend chasing debt, (and processing payments) could be spent on 'wowing' your current customers so that they refer, or on canvassing up new work.

Shrek

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2019, 08:48:38 am »
Thanks Gomo

Maybe it would be better to see these customers face to face and explain. I just don’t understand why certain customers just ALWAYS pay late. It’s the principal that niggles me as they appear to have nice houses etc.

Maybe the option of sign up or dump is the way to go for these select few. Just need to work out how to word it......

Some people just have no idea how to or just can’t be arsed budgeting. I know a lot of couples who have been promoted in their jobs and they end up leasing a bigger car or going on another holiday abroad, go out drinking more etc ,  So they are no better off than before the promotion - some people earn more and spend more

dazmond

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2019, 09:00:37 am »
Having customers that pay late is just not worth it.

All that time you spend chasing debt, (and processing payments) could be spent on 'wowing' your current customers so that they refer, or on canvassing up new work.

not really.....we all have customers who pay a bit late and "rolling debt".as a sole trader is doesnt bother me one bit...i see it as "money in the bank"....ill get paid eventually....my debt list is usually hovering around the £1000-£1500 mark but can go as low as £300-£400 sometimes......

im not desperate for the money to pay bills...im well ahead financially plus i get paid virtually every single day of the year.theres usually at least one customer whos paying me online! ;D

plus i get cash/cheques and card payments every day im out and about window cleaning.....
price higher/work harder!

Smudger

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2019, 10:40:29 am »
Do you really think people in this day and age don’t know how direct debits work? Too many words and sent via the wrong media - slow payers will/ maybe look at the text and delete it or forget all about it

If they are slow but always pay then announce this ‘great new way to pay’ by giving a half price clean on sign up - if they don’t let them know that from April this is now the only method of payment - failure to sign up results in the ending of services

Comes down to how much you need these customers and how much time you spend faffing with them

On the next clean deliver a proper headed letter in an envelope outlining the above
( keep it short and consise- no waffle and no silly justification)
Darran

Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

cleaniac

Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2019, 12:19:28 pm »
My view is this.

If the customer does end up paying within a week, it's of no benefit anyway going to DD as it takes just over a week from making the collection request to the money landing in your account. You may aswell just leave it and wait.

If they are more than two weeks late, and it starts to become a problem then going into DD is a good way of retaining customers, but they may be put off with the money coming out of their account 7 days after you cleaned them, especially if you (like most on here) text the night before to give notice of the clean and it may not be enough time to ensure finances are in order by the time the payment is processed, this is why they are reluctant to sign up imo.

One way to get around this.

 1. Give them a next clean date and stick to it
 2. Take all payments on a set day, i do mine on the 26th, and tell them that payments come out on that day, no matter when the clean takes place, this is by far the easiest for me and my customers as they know that on a set date the window cleaning money gets paid and i get all due accounts in before end of month, they can budget for it and it helps me retain problem customers.

Now if you still have customers who wont sign dd, and are pad payers, either dump them or have an effective credit control procedure in place.

For me, once the customer is overdue by more than 7 days, they get a daily reminder text.."Dear customer, please remember to settle your window cleaning bill as it is now overdue for payment best wishes Marc Stock StockClean"  it doesent change evey day they get that until they make the payment. It works very very well.

Finally if you do have a customer who cannot pay, then a credit card machine is always an option.

I know in an ideal world, it would be great to have everyone sign up for dd, but in reality you loose a lot of customer contact and control when they use dd, as i feel that a small portion of customer relationship relys on the credit control aspect.





Suffolkcleaners

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2019, 02:55:52 pm »
Cleaniac. Are you saying you would send a daily text reminder if unpaid after two weeks?

Also why the earth would you offer a customer 50% off to join DD? Paying for the privelage to get paid? Sorry I don’t agree with that. However some good advice with perhaps making it less of a waffle and perhaps put a clear note with the bill on next clean.

My terms are 14 days but a load pay after this bit perhaps 18 days or 3 weeks but I’m fine with that. It’s the small handful that take 8 weeks to pay or more on day a 8 weekly job. So it could be near on 16 weeks before you’re paid....

However if you don’t need the money right now I guess if you eventually get it some people are fine with that.(A comment on here)

Personally for me I get a little annoyed at repeat offenders who constantly need reminding. So my view is.....

One final less waffle note with next clean or perhaps a polite text saying I will cancel of not signed up or..... DUMP them!

tlwcs

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2019, 03:53:00 pm »
To all customers. Please note we are now requesting payments via this option.

Since January 2019 I have introduced  the option to pay by direct debit and thus making it easier to pay for your window cleaning service.

How it works.....

No clean,NO payment made!!
After I clean your windows I process a payment through a company I pay to process a direct debit(the same way in which you pay for most of your direct debits). You will receive an email several days before payments are collected, which is usually 7 working days AFTER the windows have been cleaned. Obviously protected by the direct debit guarantee.

Please see link below to sign up.

This is what I’ve been using to text customers.... is my lack of response down to the wording?

Any advice? Also I’m planning on requesting the money ad hoc(after I’ve cleaned not on a set day)

Excuse my complete lack of knowledge. I’ve only got one who has signed up so far (having said that only tried around 7-10 via text).


No clean no payment made?


That stood out on Nathon leaflet and I thought it was poor.
It’s as if your giving them a choice to skip.
Tony

Stoots

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2019, 03:59:51 pm »
Offer them a free clean or 50% off or some other incentive.

No, bin them. Its your business terms.

lol ok mate i will just bin half of my round overnight  :D



Stoots

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Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2019, 04:10:20 pm »
I send all my reminders on a sunday evening every week. Anyone who comes up at 7 days or older on cleaner planner gets a text.

I dont mind sending 2-3 reminders as long as they pay before next clean, because if they dont pay before next clean they will get skipped...so thats when its costing me money.

Anyone who gets skipped is told why and i send further requests for payment weekly.

If it gets to another clean cycle still no payment they are removed from round and "final reminder" text. Then its debt letter. Then its either write it off, commit an act of revenge or pursue in court.


I know some window cleaners will let it go 2 or 3 times and still  get paid, but i think 1 clean one payment is fair....having 3-4 weeks  to pay before your next clean should be enough even for the most skint.

cleaniac

Re: Go Cardless
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2019, 04:33:52 pm »
Cleaniac. Are you saying you would send a daily text reminder if unpaid after two weeks?

Yes correct. Its on the bill that they will get automated daily reminders until paid if more than 1 week late. And it is daily yes, the same text, exactly the same, robotic.
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Also why the earth would you offer a customer 50% off to join DD?


I wouldn't. That's just stupid.