[p1w1]

No not touchy..just stating a fact

[p1w1]

That figure includes start up and shut down power too

Looking good. Hope it works out for you, you will be able to provide hot water for those who want to try it but cant afford the real thing 

[dazmond]

i think its great  richy has managed to build a hot water system at a fraction of the cost of a professional install......but i dont expect him to sell them cheap to all you lads.......

[p1w1]

Are the heater units CE marked ?

if so then as said you could sell them as a conversion "KIT" - and that doesn't mean the customer putting the thing together - it could be fully assembled except for (arguments sake) an exhaust

at this stage P&F could be 'giving' these away for prototype testing with the price 'covering' the cost of parts 

I should think many of those who paid 4.5k will be hoping for it to fail just again to justify there own spend

Darran

not at all......if it works then it works....i cant see it being reliable though if its a chinese copy.....

if something sounds too good to be true it often is....

a guy in the gym bought a tv(55inch) for £200 from a guy in a van(retail nearly £3k!)......he got home and it doesnt work.....

Bit like the ones who used to stop you in the street needing to get rid of their stock of Rolex watches 

[dazmond]

i think its mostly petty,jealous window cleaners having a go at guys that have spent a few grand for a professional hot water system install.........they either cant afford one or their just tight b***ards....

rich probably cant afford one but he s using his mechanical know how/skills to build one himself for a fraction of the cost.....fair play to the guy!

[P @ F]

Daz I could buy one today if I wanted to , but I don’t have the payload or space to put one in !

And I am getting the same hot water you do , not that cheap Chinese copy water 

Just moving the van to the music department and I will get a pic of the nasty hot water I’m using

[P @ F]

Look it’s me doing overtime!

[P @ F]

Temp from brush and after heater

[Smudger]

No not touchy..just stating a fact

you mean opinion 

hot water is hot water - simple some want to pay through the nose for it others happy to have value for money 

you know the sides will never agree

Darran

[P @ F]

My cheap Chinese water cleans far better than Daz’s   

[nathankaye]

No not touchy..just stating a fact

you mean opinion 

hot water is hot water - simple some want to pay through the nose for it others happy to have value for money 

you know the sides will never agree

Darran

We all use purified water but all use different ways in doing so. Be it a 4040 //  600 gpd or 450 gpd  or lower etc. Whilst others use double DI or harvest rain water etc and yet no one questions that or shouts about how much it costs them.
Why cant it be the same with just heating up cold water to an higher temperature guys!  It doesn't really matter in which way it's done is it

[Dave Willis]

Are the heater units CE marked ?

if so then as said you could sell them as a conversion "KIT" - and that doesn't mean the customer putting the thing together - it could be fully assembled except for (arguments sake) an exhaust

at this stage P&F could be 'giving' these away for prototype testing with the price 'covering' the cost of parts 

I should think many of those who paid 4.5k will be hoping for it to fail just again to justify there own spend

Darran

not at all......if it works then it works....i cant see it being reliable though if its a chinese copy.....

if something sounds too good to be true it often is....

a guy in the gym bought a tv(55inch) for £200 from a guy in a van(retail nearly £3k!)......he got home and it doesnt work.....

Daz, I had one of them!! When I got home the volume button wouldn’t work. .......................... but for that price you couldn’t turn it down.

[P @ F]

 

[Dry Clean]

No not touchy..just stating a fact

you mean opinion 

hot water is hot water - simple some want to pay through the nose for it others happy to have value for money 

you know the sides will never agree

Darran

We all use purified water but all use different ways in doing so. Be it a 4040 //  600 gpd or 450 gpd  or lower etc. Whilst others use double DI or harvest rain water etc and yet no one questions that or shouts about how much it costs them.
Why cant it be the same with just heating up cold water to an higher temperature guys!  It doesn't really matter in which way it's done is it

You're forgetting the Ionic parts per billion system buyers.

[Smudger]

My take on it is this....

those that have spent (shall I say a large amount - seeing as they are a bit prickly) on a hot water system have, on every occasion made it clear that any other form of producing hot is not only as good at cleaning as 'their' hot water but is either dangerous or done because those who choose other methods are some way a second class business.

If your circumstances are such you wish to buy a system there's no problem with that - but the benefits of hot are NOT massive they are marginal - definitely a would like to have as opposed to I need to have. they are more about making the job comfortable than cleaning better  ( I have run various tests and time trials )

There is no way the investment in a heated system from grippa etc.. pays for itself within 8 years never mind 3 years so as a business decision it makes no sense - for a single operator possibly. But p&f is doing something fantastic - taking an air heater and turning it into an on demand water heater for what is a more attractive cost (lets face it the 'Webasto' systems are just a glorified conversion job.

Darran

[P @ F]

And it’s just about to get a whole lot easier , check this out 
Not sure on specs yet but it would be usable as a grippa type setup.

[P @ F]

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/33018892208.html?trace=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail&fbclid=IwAR0jW3KaQDGLEqyOuYIpuaBEMr0ckNDoftz01yZfiRJparqwvgYdtE_Jo3c&tt=sns_none&aff_platform=default&cpt=1566649009647&sk=baAGFs0C&aff_trace_key=f82d94f21fc14bb7bbe91b82bd7cb917-1566649009647-08184-baAGFs0C&terminal_id=d8907decbca5443d9dceacf4d791b788

[Status Check]

Great find.

Thats just what we wanted.

[dazmond]

My take on it is this....

those that have spent (shall I say a large amount - seeing as they are a bit prickly) on a hot water system have, on every occasion made it clear that any other form of producing hot is not only as good at cleaning as 'their' hot water but is either dangerous or done because those who choose other methods are some way a second class business.

If your circumstances are such you wish to buy a system there's no problem with that - but the benefits of hot are NOT massive they are marginal - definitely a would like to have as opposed to I need to have. they are more about making the job comfortable than cleaning better  ( I have run various tests and time trials )

There is no way the investment in a heated system from grippa etc.. pays for itself within 8 years never mind 3 years so as a business decision it makes no sense - for a single operator possibly. But p&f is doing something fantastic - taking an air heater and turning it into an on demand water heater for what is a more attractive cost (lets face it the 'Webasto' systems are just a glorified conversion job.

Darran

i reckon i shave around 30 mins off my day using hot water compared to cold water cleaning...ok its not a huge amount but over the course of 8 years it is...on an average of 2 hours a week saved (on a 46 week year) its 736 hours over 8 years which is over a full months work(working day and night! )....

[Dry Clean]

My take on it is this....

those that have spent (shall I say a large amount - seeing as they are a bit prickly) on a hot water system have, on every occasion made it clear that any other form of producing hot is not only as good at cleaning as 'their' hot water but is either dangerous or done because those who choose other methods are some way a second class business.

If your circumstances are such you wish to buy a system there's no problem with that - but the benefits of hot are NOT massive they are marginal - definitely a would like to have as opposed to I need to have. they are more about making the job comfortable than cleaning better  ( I have run various tests and time trials )

There is no way the investment in a heated system from grippa etc.. pays for itself within 8 years never mind 3 years so as a business decision it makes no sense - for a single operator possibly. But p&f is doing something fantastic - taking an air heater and turning it into an on demand water heater for what is a more attractive cost (lets face it the 'Webasto' systems are just a glorified conversion job.

Darran

Totally agree, with the exception of NK the claims on what hot water can do tend to rise with the money spent, we now even have so called sweet spot that for some reason can only be reached by an expensive diesel system and any temp below it is no different to cold, the stupidity and delusion in this is unreal.