[P @ F]

The only bit i dont quite understand with these heaters is the power consumption , something  like 30 amp on fire up , does this mean that it takes 30 amps just to fire it up then while its running its self supporting if you get what i mean .
So if you where to run it from an 85 amp leisure battery with no charging facility you would get 2 fire ups before the battery was flat ?

[Don Kee]

The only bit i dont quite understand with these heaters is the power consumption , something  like 30 amp on fire up , does this mean that it takes 30 amps just to fire it up then while its running its self supporting if you get what i mean .
So if you where to run it from an 85 amp leisure battery with no charging facility you would get 2 fire ups before the battery was flat ?

I think they join two 110ah batteries in parallel and have them charged off a b2b charging unit.
Would have thought that’d be ample, especially if they’re leaving the heater on all day as they’ll only have that initial draw once.

[dazmond]

The only bit i dont quite understand with these heaters is the power consumption , something  like 30 amp on fire up , does this mean that it takes 30 amps just to fire it up then while its running its self supporting if you get what i mean .
So if you where to run it from an 85 amp leisure battery with no charging facility you would get 2 fire ups before the battery was flat ?

2x105 Ah numax batteries in tandem with a smart split charge relay kit keeps the batteries topped up rich.....mine never go below 12.4 during the day(I also run an electric PF reelmaster off them as well)these chargers are capable of putting a much higher charge into the batteries compared to  standard split relays mate.....

I still connect  a numax connect and forget commercial charger to the batteries  overnight rich to keep them in tip top condition.i also do very little mileage....

If you do a fair bit of mileage you wouldn't have to do this.i normally only do around 10 miles a day....

[dazmond]

I also fire up the heater while the  van engines running first thing in the morning before I leave for work so I've got hot water for my first job of the day....it's ace...

[dazmond]

The only bit i dont quite understand with these heaters is the power consumption , something  like 30 amp on fire up , does this mean that it takes 30 amps just to fire it up then while its running its self supporting if you get what i mean .
So if you where to run it from an 85 amp leisure battery with no charging facility you would get 2 fire ups before the battery was flat ?

I think they join two 110ah batteries in parallel and have them charged off a b2b charging unit.
Would have thought that’d be ample, especially if they’re leaving the heater on all day as they’ll only have that initial draw once.

Bang on that mate....

[NWH]

Get my new 9kw landscape heater Wednesday lol can’t wait.

[Jonny 87]

Get my new 9kw landscape heater Wednesday lol can’t wait.

That’s what I got. Love it. I didn’t expect to get the landscape cabinet too, but that’s how they fitted it. Works brilliant.

[dazmond]

Get my new 9kw landscape heater Wednesday lol can’t wait.

You 'll love it Nigel!are u getting the retro fit with the portrait cabinet like mine mate?

[NWH]

Always had an upright for years but I wanted the landscape 1 this time as I think they look better,been using cold water for nearly 8 weeks now perfect timing. I’ve managed to keep on top of PVC etc as I’ve always kept them very clean with hot in the past so no grime has built up over a couple of months,can’t wait to get back to using hot again.

[NWH]

I put landscape cabinet Daz it’s the lower wider version,I wanted that shaped 1 this time.

[Dry Clean]

Always had an upright for years but I wanted the landscape 1 this time as I think they look better,been using cold water for nearly 8 weeks now perfect timing. I’ve managed to keep on top of PVC etc as I’ve always kept them very clean with hot in the past so no grime has built up over a couple of months,can’t wait to get back to using hot again.

If you ever needed proof that hot users haven't a clue then this is it, he actually believes you cant keep PVC clean unless you use hot.

[Jonny 87]

Always had an upright for years but I wanted the landscape 1 this time as I think they look better,been using cold water for nearly 8 weeks now perfect timing. I’ve managed to keep on top of PVC etc as I’ve always kept them very clean with hot in the past so no grime has built up over a couple of months,can’t wait to get back to using hot again.

If you ever needed proof that hot users haven't a clue then this is it, he actually believes you cant keep PVC clean unless you use hot.

Would you not agree that even on a small scale this could be true?

Certain frames I clean with tfr Come up a lot whiter than with cold pure alone. Little channels and grooves in the Pvc loosen all the small bits of algae etc that cold water doesn’t really touch unless you spend a long time, and on a regular clean who really is going To do that?

Hot water could help. Just food for thought.

[dazmond]

Jonny did u see reflections post on servicing his 9kw hydroheat?
HE S NEVER HAD IT SERVICED IN 4 YEARS!and it works just the same as the day he first used it.he also uses his all day everyday.....

these heaters are very reliable....

[dazmond]

Another thing that sticks in my mind is vans with DPF's , not exactly the same , but lots have problems with regen as they do short trips , I have DPF and it has not activated in the 3 years i have had the van , I do a 10 mile motorway journey each way to and from my work .
Could well be the reason above !
Which reminds me , I must only have 12 months left to clear my van , perhaps i might get a Grippa for next winter , Im thinking Doblo next time 

You 've been in this game a fair while mate......treat yourself!a bigger van,500l tank and a hot grippa system....trust me you won't regret it! their ace....

With the smart  split charge relay and 2×105ah batteries plus electric  reel you 'll be laughing...

[Dry Clean]

Always had an upright for years but I wanted the landscape 1 this time as I think they look better,been using cold water for nearly 8 weeks now perfect timing. I’ve managed to keep on top of PVC etc as I’ve always kept them very clean with hot in the past so no grime has built up over a couple of months,can’t wait to get back to using hot again.

If you ever needed proof that hot users haven't a clue then this is it, he actually believes you cant keep PVC clean unless you use hot.

Would you not agree that even on a small scale this could be true?

Certain frames I clean with tfr Come up a lot whiter than with cold pure alone. Little channels and grooves in the Pvc loosen all the small bits of algae etc that cold water doesn’t really touch unless you spend a long time, and on a regular clean who really is going To do that?

Hot water could help. Just food for thought.

We heard the same with Vision, PPB and all the other nonsense that guys who don't understand what they're doing fall for,
there was even a hot user a while back talking about microscopic dirt, yep removing dirt that we cant see is really going to help get one over on the competition.

[P @ F]

Another thing that sticks in my mind is vans with DPF's , not exactly the same , but lots have problems with regen as they do short trips , I have DPF and it has not activated in the 3 years i have had the van , I do a 10 mile motorway journey each way to and from my work .
Could well be the reason above !
Which reminds me , I must only have 12 months left to clear my van , perhaps i might get a Grippa for next winter , Im thinking Doblo next time 

You 've been in this game a fair while mate......treat yourself!a bigger van,500l tank and a hot grippa system....trust me you won't regret it! their ace....

With the smart  split charge relay and 2×105ah batteries plus electric  reel you 'll be laughing...

Daz , you should know me after 9 years I think it is , I'm DIY through and through unless the said item is close costing off the shelf , and in this case its not the case is it !
Or am i just tight , you decide 

[NWH]

Comparing vision to hot water says it all really get a hot system and then you can start commenting in an honest sensible manner,people with this view haven’t had a hot system and they are giving opinions without experience of using hot water. Did a weatherboard clean a few weeks ago with cold took twice as long to clean with the result being it was cleaned but not as deeper clean as with hot.

[p1w1]

Always had an upright for years but I wanted the landscape 1 this time as I think they look better,been using cold water for nearly 8 weeks now perfect timing. I’ve managed to keep on top of PVC etc as I’ve always kept them very clean with hot in the past so no grime has built up over a couple of months,can’t wait to get back to using hot again.

If you ever needed proof that hot users haven't a clue then this is it, he actually believes you cant keep PVC clean unless you use hot.

Think it's a bit unfair to compare  other hot users on what NWH posts 

[NWH]

If you’ve used hot water and I’m not talking about emmersion hot water you’d know it is better to use for comfort and cleaning power there’s no argument let’s be honest,I wouldn’t be laying out another 4 odd thousand if I’d continue to get away with cold water day in day out it just does the job to a higher standard.

[NWH]

2 more days till my van goes in for a new heater 😂 😂 can’t wait now.