[dazmond]

When you use the recirculation loop on the grippa is it purely to keep hot in the hoses or does it raise the tank  water by a significant amount .
 

of course it raises the temperature of the water in the tank as its recirculating.i dont how how long you would have to run it to have a hot 500l  tank of water though(probably 8 hours like an immersion!)......these systems are built as on demand type systems......

some guys though have a separate pump pumping hot water back to the tank as well as the one their using for poling and by lunchtime they turn off the heater(in the summer months anyway)the waters that hot(obviously theres less and less water to heat up)

[P @ F]

Cheers Daz as that scenario you describe was which direction i would take if i ever got one .
That alone could cut running costs by a fair amount , it would be of benefit to the burner too , i hear constant running is far better as it reduces coking up .
Sadly i could only get one if i reduce tank size or grow my van a bit 

[dazmond]

Cheers Daz as that scenario you describe was which direction i would take if i ever got one .
That alone could cut running costs by a fair amount , it would be of benefit to the burner too , i hear constant running is far better as it reduces coking up .
Sadly i could only get one if i reduce tank size or grow my van a bit 

i keep mine running from when i switch it on in the morning before a leave for work until just after the last job of the day.....sometimes i turn if off at lunchtime but not very often.....

[P @ F]

There must be some truth in it as i have talked to S.A.J and Hotwash in the past about it , they both have the Varitech versions , S.A.J runs or did run them as on demand and had various burner issues , Hotwash heats full time on recirc and has had no issues whatsoever .

[Jonny 87]

I’m like a kid with a new toy.

I wasn’t supppsed to work yeaterday as it was early hours of the morning thatbwe got home from grippatank. ( 8 hour drive stick in traffic)

By yesterday lunch I was itching to go out and use it, so I did 4 hours work. (Incidentally that would normally take me 4 hours 30 to do. is that placebo? Windows weren’t that dirty? Who knows yet.) I love it!

Still Getting used to it all, but I wish I’d gone this route sooner.

Can’t fault the grippa guys.

[P @ F]

Another thing that sticks in my mind is vans with DPF's , not exactly the same , but lots have problems with regen as they do short trips , I have DPF and it has not activated in the 3 years i have had the van , I do a 10 mile motorway journey each way to and from my work .
Could well be the reason above !
Which reminds me , I must only have 12 months left to clear my van , perhaps i might get a Grippa for next winter , Im thinking Doblo next time   

[Jonny 87]

My sums don’t add up here , you say 3 services in 10 years.
Grippa say service every year or the warranty goes out the window ?

pure freedom told me they dont need servicing every year(they are webasto specialists).they can go on for years without a service!i will get the burner replaced and batteries etc in a couple of years but no need at present.....mines nearly a year old now...

nigel ran his for 10 YEARS on the same burner!

grippa warranty is only 3 years anyway.....

both grippa and pure freedom told me to run my diesel heater all day every day with minimum shut down cycles and thats exactly how i run mine,...i keep it running between jobs and even at lunchtime usually......

Daz it would be a shame if you didn’t have it Serviced, then in 6 months time something goes wrong and your warranty is void. If you don’t have it serviced your not covered.

For the first three years I’m Definitely getting it serviced by grippa, then after that I will see what’s what.

Also....... do you plug back into your return feed between jobs?

I was running it on one pump yesterday, and noticed in about 5 mins of no use, (water turned off at pole) that it went into stand by mode. Then you’d hear the jet take off again as it got to full heat.

I’m now using it with one side feeeing back to my tank, and one side for me. This way it’s constantly running.

My cabinet is pretty cool, because i can have the return pump side on the temperature setting, showing me the temp of water in my tank. Then once my tank gets to 50 degrees or so I’ll power down the heater.

It’s a trial and error at the moment, but even on the minimum heat setting I was getting 60 degrees at the brush head (hose coiled up and heater at full operating temperature on one reel)

When I put it on max I literally couldn’t hold my hand under the water.

It’s a pretty versatile unit.

[dazmond]

There must be some truth in it as i have talked to S.A.J and Hotwash in the past about it , they both have the Varitech versions , S.A.J runs or did run them as on demand and had various burner issues , Hotwash heats full time on recirc and has had no issues whatsoever .

thats how i run mine rich.....i dont let it go into its shut down cycle when moving from job to job...i plug it back into the tank when driving...... .....it has a short standby mode(half heat mode)that lasts a couple of mins so gives me time to drag the hose to my next house without shutting down....if a customer makes me a brew i simply plug back into the tank(or leave the pole tap open)....

[dazmond]

My sums don’t add up here , you say 3 services in 10 years.
Grippa say service every year or the warranty goes out the window ?

pure freedom told me they dont need servicing every year(they are webasto specialists).they can go on for years without a service!i will get the burner replaced and batteries etc in a couple of years but no need at present.....mines nearly a year old now...

nigel ran his for 10 YEARS on the same burner!

grippa warranty is only 3 years anyway.....

both grippa and pure freedom told me to run my diesel heater all day every day with minimum shut down cycles and thats exactly how i run mine,...i keep it running between jobs and even at lunchtime usually......

Daz it would be a shame if you didn’t have it Serviced, then in 6 months time something goes wrong and your warranty is void. If you don’t have it serviced your not covered.

For the first three years I’m Definitely getting it serviced by grippa, then after that I will see what’s what.

Also....... do you plug back into your return feed between jobs?

I was running it on one pump yesterday, and noticed in about 5 mins of no use, (water turned off at pole) that it went into stand by mode. Then you’d hear the jet take off again as it got to full heat.

I’m now using it with one side feeeing back to my tank, and one side for me. This way it’s constantly running.

My cabinet is pretty cool, because i can have the return pump side on the temperature setting, showing me the temp of water in my tank. Then once my tank gets to 50 degrees or so I’ll power down the heater.

It’s a trial and error at the moment, but even on the minimum heat setting I was getting 60 degrees at the brush head (hose coiled up and heater at full operating temperature on one reel)

When I put it on max I literally couldn’t hold my hand under the water.

It’s a pretty versatile unit.

if grippa had a driveway service for heater servicing id defo have it done jonny but i cant be arsed driving all the way down to cambridgeshire.....its too far away...pure freedom is nearer and i can get to and back from there in a day so ill be using pure freedom for servicing......

theres not that much to go wrong with them mate if you keep them going all day every day with minimum shut downs and start ups.......

YES i always plug back into the tank when driving to my next job or having lunch/coffee break etc.....

[dazmond]

also jonny you live even further away than me!so are you gonna drive down to cambridgeshire every year for a few days and get it serviced for £447?(including VAT)for 3 years costing you £1341-00(and thats not including work days lost,fuel driving there and back and accommodation).

you d be better finding a webasto service engineer nearer home IMO.....

[Jonny 87]

also jonny you live even further away than me!so are you gonna drive down to cambridgeshire every year for a few days and get it serviced for £447?(including VAT)for 3 years costing you £1341-00(and thats not including work days lost,fuel driving there and back and accommodation).

you d be better finding a webasto service engineer nearer home IMO.....

4 times a year they come up to Scotland for servicing, installs etc.  I chose to come to Cambridge to get mine fitted as its there main hub.

For servicing I’ll drive about an hour to get there. 447 per year is worth it for the warranty I think mate.
It’s all good until, something goes wrong. Like you say though, they are very reliable units.

[dazmond]

also jonny you live even further away than me!so are you gonna drive down to cambridgeshire every year for a few days and get it serviced for £447?(including VAT)for 3 years costing you £1341-00(and thats not including work days lost,fuel driving there and back and accommodation).

you d be better finding a webasto service engineer nearer home IMO.....

4 times a year they come up to Scotland for servicing, installs etc.  I chose to come to Cambridge to get mine fitted as its there main hub.

For servicing I’ll drive about an hour to get there. 447 per year is worth it for the warranty I think mate.
It’s all good until, something goes wrong. Like you say though, they are very reliable units.

its ok if you dont have to drive too far...i thought you d have to drive 300 miles every year to get it serviced!

[Jonny 87]

also jonny you live even further away than me!so are you gonna drive down to cambridgeshire every year for a few days and get it serviced for £447?(including VAT)for 3 years costing you £1341-00(and thats not including work days lost,fuel driving there and back and accommodation).

you d be better finding a webasto service engineer nearer home IMO.....

4 times a year they come up to Scotland for servicing, installs etc.  I chose to come to Cambridge to get mine fitted as its there main hub.

For servicing I’ll drive about an hour to get there. 447 per year is worth it for the warranty I think mate.
It’s all good until, something goes wrong. Like you say though, they are very reliable units.

its ok if you dont have to drive too far...i thought you d have to drive 300 miles every year to get it serviced!

Thankfully not.

Although the wife enjoyed Cambridge, so I bet she wouldn’t mind. 

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

Surely they can't be too dissimilar to a domestic oil fired boiler? Couldn't a suitably qualified plumber service these units?

[tlwcs]

With frost stat feature, is the whine of it firing up and heating then circulating the water noisy?
Does it attract attention from neighbours?

[dazmond]

With frost stat feature, is the whine of it firing up and heating then circulating the water noisy?
Does it attract attention from neighbours?

It sounds like a jumbo jet on tick over when it fires up in the middle of the night...it doesn't bother me or my neighbours although I did have one who banged on my door and woke me up as he thought there was something wrong with the van!

He's fine with it now!😀

[dazmond]

Surely they can't be too dissimilar to a domestic oil fired boiler? Couldn't a suitably qualified plumber service these units?

They basically change the burner and glow plug
as a matter of course when servicing but I think u need a webasto trained engineer to do the job.....I've not been able to source a local one yet.....

[KS Cleaning]

Surely they can't be too dissimilar to a domestic oil fired boiler? Couldn't a suitably qualified plumber service these units?

They basically change the burner and glow plug
as a matter of course when servicing but I think u need a webasto trained engineer to do the job.....I've not been able to source a local one yet.....

When I had my purefreedom diesel heater I went to a webasto accredited service engineer for a service, it was only 25 miles from my house, I’m sure there will be someone near Manchester who could carry out a service for you.

[Splash & dash]

My sums don’t add up here , you say 3 services in 10 years.
Grippa say service every year or the warranty goes out the window ?

pure freedom told me they dont need servicing every year(they are webasto specialists).they can go on for years without a service!i will get the burner replaced and batteries etc in a couple of years but no need at present.....mines nearly a year old now...

nigel ran his for 10 YEARS on the same burner!

grippa warranty is only 3 years anyway.....

both grippa and pure freedom told me to run my diesel heater all day every day with minimum shut down cycles and thats exactly how i run mine,...i keep it running between jobs and even at lunchtime usually......

Mine is a Grippatank 9 kw it’s now 4 years old never been serviced and runs 8 hours a day five days a week Ime no good at maths but that’s a lot of hours , I phoned a wabasto dealer about servicing and he said it either works or it doesn’t  there is nothing to service , he said when it stops working is the time to replace the screen and pin , he could have easily sold me a service but didn’t so this clearly shows that they don’t need servicing , only thing he did say was don’t ever use red diesel in it . The Americans run there heaters occasionally with kerosene as this burns off the soot and carbon on the screen making it last longer

[Splash & dash]

When you use the recirculation loop on the grippa is it purely to keep hot in the hoses or does it raise the tank  water by a significant amount .
 

of course it raises the temperature of the water in the tank as its recirculating.i dont how how long you would have to run it to have a hot 500l  tank of water though(probably 8 hours like an immersion!)......these systems are built as on demand type systems......

some guys though have a separate pump pumping hot water back to the tank as well as the one their using for poling and by lunchtime they turn off the heater(in the summer months anyway)the waters that hot(obviously theres less and less water to heat up)

I have a 1000 ltr tank by lunch time there is about 500 left and it’s that hot you cannot put your hand in the tank that’s just from the return water from two hosereels between jobs , I checked the temperature at the brush last week with two hose reels extended out aprox 80 meters and it was 60 degrees , air temperature was 8 degrees