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nathankaye

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2018, 10:46:24 am »
Ever head the saying work smarter not harder.
Hear many people complain that have restrictive movement, Arthritis in there hands, finger, wrists, forearms etc.
Many different ages from beginner though to my age or more!! ::)roll :o ;D
So this was designed to help them to do it the smarter way.
Don't worry your turn will come in time.  ;D

I've not read everyone's replies on here Hman, but as the majority have said, we're all pretty much 90 - 100% water fed.  I also have many years trad experience behind me and I still like to do the odd house / bungalow the trad way rather than get all the wfp equipment out. But I wouldn't swap my trusty Squeegee with moerman or the ninja or any other new blade on the market at the moment as there is no need.
What might help your course, is if you get your statements backed up medically as well
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Stoots

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2018, 12:00:04 pm »
I just don't think  H MAN get that the vast majority of us are not interested.

Go push your products to a market that uses traditional tools

You are not getting anywhere with your product because there is not market for it here

Go talk to the yanks like I said earlier, they will love it over there.

dazmond

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2018, 04:30:15 pm »
H man have you ever heard of the saying "flogging a dead horse?".......thats what your doing....your just wasting your time on here for UK window cleaning anyway......

nobody is arsed mate.....
price higher/work harder!

H MAN

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2018, 08:37:43 pm »
Yes to you, it' may seem that way.

But because  people that have no problems like above for see no different when using.
However there people that DO have problem like above, and use it will see/notice the different right away.
Reminds me when WFP first introduced  was not that popular most people where saying things like you are now.
But everyone's entitled to there opinion.

 


tlwcs

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2018, 09:07:02 pm »
Would it not pay you to put a poll on all the forums and Facebook pages to determine how many people suffer with these conditions?
Respectfully, your adaptions  have always come across a bit Heath Robinson to me and I would question any claim made without some evidence.
If it’s not for the market leaders to develop, it’s either dead in the water or a cottage industry for you.
Tony

paul alan

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2018, 09:07:24 pm »
Yes to you, it' may seem that way.

But because  people that have no problems like above for see no different when using.
However there people that DO have problem like above, and use it will see/notice the different right away.
Reminds me when WFP first introduced  was not that popular most people where saying things like you are now.
But everyone's entitled to there opinion.

I admire your perseverance in the face of all this, I have to admit I agree with what people are saying.


I hope it turns out for you, maybe offer some out for people to try? Maybe they'll be able to "experience" what your telling people and leave great reviews.


I'm too far into my water fed poling to be concerned with a squeegee. I love my wagtail too much to try anything else.


I would love to see some WFP innovations though, a super light and aggressive brush with excellent water delivery.

An in-line chemical cartridge that will mix with pure and come out the jets at the brush head, so I can attach to my pole hose and apply chemicals to the first cleans, I know they do exist but are crap rated.

I like the idea of having a brush that is the same as most hoovers, you flip a switch and the bristles retract to reveal a new stiffer set of bristles.

There are still problems that need solving with WFP, its a growing market still. You have come up with some good ideas, maybe you can think of something?

As for the squeegee, if it works as good as you say then the problem there is getting people to see that. Maybe hand some testers out to certain people that have social influence, if they like it everyone else will.


Good luck H man.

paul alan

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2018, 09:16:49 pm »
I think another great idea would be to create some kind of ball joint instead of a swivel for WFP brush, enabling the user total freedom of direction.

A swivel is great going from side to side, but were still having to physically shift our stance when going up and down when going below straight out. example, when doing doors you can agitate up and down whilst working up to and above shoulder height, but going below that you have to stand to the side and agitate sideways. Would be more convenient and quicker if you didn't have to change the angle of the brush head.

֍Winp®oClean֍

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2018, 09:17:24 pm »
What about your WFP swivel HMAN?
Comfortably Numb!

H MAN

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2018, 01:57:42 am »
I think another great idea would be to create some kind of ball joint instead of a swivel for WFP brush, enabling the user total freedom of direction.

A swivel is great going from side to side, but were still having to physically shift our stance when going up and down when going below straight out. example, when doing doors you can agitate up and down whilst working up to and above shoulder height, but going below that you have to stand to the side and agitate sideways. Would be more convenient and quicker if you didn't have to change the angle of the brush head.
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD
Finely someone that under stands how this swivel works. ;D ;D ;D
We also have the same movement a bit different set up, for water fed brushes. ;D ;D ;D

H MAN

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2018, 02:29:16 am »
Most swivels move side to side.
However when using you go to move side to side then try changing to a vertical there is a part that has restraints due to no curvature at that point.
Having curvature at this point allow a smooth transaction between horizontal thought to vertical as you using a squeegee or water fed brush.
Hope this explains it a bit better.
   


tlwcs

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2018, 07:31:16 am »
H man have you ever heard of the saying "flogging a dead horse?".......thats what your doing....your just wasting your time on here for UK window cleaning anyway......

nobody is arsed mate.....

He could call it the Shergar 😂😂

paul alan

  • Posts: 1683
Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2018, 07:41:53 am »
I think another great idea would be to create some kind of ball joint instead of a swivel for WFP brush, enabling the user total freedom of direction.

A swivel is great going from side to side, but were still having to physically shift our stance when going up and down when going below straight out. example, when doing doors you can agitate up and down whilst working up to and above shoulder height, but going below that you have to stand to the side and agitate sideways. Would be more convenient and quicker if you didn't have to change the angle of the brush head.
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD
Finely someone that under stands how this swivel works. ;D ;D ;D
We also have the same movement a bit different set up, for water fed brushes. ;D ;D ;D

So your swivel operates through a vertical plane as well as horizontal?

֍Winp®oClean֍

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2018, 08:00:31 am »
I think another great idea would be to create some kind of ball joint instead of a swivel for WFP brush, enabling the user total freedom of direction.

A swivel is great going from side to side, but were still having to physically shift our stance when going up and down when going below straight out. example, when doing doors you can agitate up and down whilst working up to and above shoulder height, but going below that you have to stand to the side and agitate sideways. Would be more convenient and quicker if you didn't have to change the angle of the brush head.
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD
Finely someone that under stands how this swivel works. ;D ;D ;D
We also have the same movement a bit different set up, for water fed brushes. ;D ;D ;D

So your swivel operates through a vertical plane as well as horizontal?

 ;D ;D
You may need to reassess your observation HMAN!! ;D
Comfortably Numb!

H MAN

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2018, 11:39:43 pm »


So your swivel operates through a vertical plane as well as horizontal?
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That is correct.

Spruce

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2018, 08:26:16 am »
Most swivels move side to side.
However when using you go to move side to side then try changing to a vertical there is a part that has restraints due to no curvature at that point.
Having curvature at this point allow a smooth transaction between horizontal thought to vertical as you using a squeegee or water fed brush.
Hope this explains it a bit better.
   

But that won't work for a wfp brush swivel.

Herman, I have a lot of respect for you, but you are pushing a product that no longer has any real relevance to British window cleaners. You are trying to promote an outdoor nudist resort in the Antarctic. The next best thing for the home entertainment industry isn't a black and white telly. The British market for new squeegees is very small. Yes, we each (son and myself)  have a conventional squeegee but we hardly ever use it. My squeegee will still be around after I die. I doubt I've replaced the rubber in the last 5 years. (When we were trad we swopped the rubber around every couple of days to get a sharp edge and replaced the rubber once a week.)

You might try forums in the States because they have a higher demand for traditional tools than those of us the frequent UK forums.

As has been already commented on, you are trying to push a product that has long since died.  The horse and carriage stopped becoming a popular means of transport for the masses in the UK some 100 years ago. There are still a few around but trying to market one with air suspension, double glasing, a diesel air heater and a new range of alloy rims with low profile wide wall tyres isn't going to get much interest, even with the Royal Family.

Unfortunately for you (and fortunately for us in the nicest possible way), you 'sold' your Quicklok concept to Gardiners for a 'bowl of soup'.  But then you also didn't have the financial resources or the backing to patent it and produce the product yourself. 

You need to be thinking about new products that will be  the next must have.  Unfortunately you are in competition with Gardiners and Exceed who are in a much better financial position to develop and market a new product. But again, each of these businesses have produced  accessories that were discontinued because of a lack of interest and demand. You know as well as I do how much the dies cost to mass produce plastic components. These costs have to be absorbed in the cost of the product.

There is a cleaner on Youtube who has done a review of Gardiner's latest rinse bar. He was complaining about the cost of it in the review. He wouldn't have said that if he knew how much the die costs to produce that rinse bar. The trouble is that its also produced for a very limited market in small quantities. He wasn't looking at the bigger picture as the cost of dies is reflected in the price of the component.

The only suggestion I have is to revolutionise the window cleaning market like wfp did with the help of H&S. If you could develop an ultrasonic box that doesn't look like a gun that we could point at each window, pull a trigger and the dirt instanty dissolves, then you might be onto something. It must be rechargeable though.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

H MAN

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2018, 09:03:58 am »
Most swivels move side to side.
However when using you go to move side to side then try changing to a vertical there is a part that has restraints due to no curvature at that point.
Having curvature at this point allow a smooth transaction between horizontal thought to vertical as you using a squeegee or water fed brush.
Hope this explains it a bit better.
   

But that won't work for a wfp brush swivel.

So can you tell why it will not work on WFP brush without even trying it??  ???
As said if the are any manufactures or companies that wait a licence  to make these PM me.
Alex  Gardiner would you be interested.?
 You  know our E-Mail address.

Spruce

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2018, 09:20:12 am »
Most swivels move side to side.
However when using you go to move side to side then try changing to a vertical there is a part that has restraints due to no curvature at that point.
Having curvature at this point allow a smooth transaction between horizontal thought to vertical as you using a squeegee or water fed brush.
Hope this explains it a bit better.
   

But that won't work for a wfp brush swivel.

So can you tell why it will not work on WFP brush without even trying it??  ???

Whose selling them?

I've looked at your video clip before with your swivel in action on a wfp brush and it did nothing to inspire me. In fact, I commented that cleaning a window with a brush in the vertical position was hard work. I tried it by turning the brush on the Quicklok fitting.

I've personally tried every swivel available including the one with a ball and socket. I still prefer a fixed brush and will manage with the odd corner that is difficult to get a fixed head brush into from an angle. I had a swivel fitting out the other day but packed it away before I even fitted it to my brush.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

H MAN

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2018, 10:00:34 am »
Most swivels move side to side.
However when using you go to move side to side then try changing to a vertical there is a part that has restraints due to no curvature at that point.
Having curvature at this point allow a smooth transaction between horizontal thought to vertical as you using a squeegee or water fed brush.
Hope this explains it a bit better.
   

But that won't work for a wfp brush swivel.

So can you tell why it will not work on WFP brush without even trying it??  ???

Whose selling them?

I've looked at your video clip before with your swivel in action on a wfp brush and it did nothing to inspire me. In fact, I commented that cleaning a window with a brush in the vertical position was hard work. I tried it by turning the brush on the Quicklok fitting.

I've personally tried every swivel available including the one with a ball and socket. I still prefer a fixed brush and will manage with the odd corner that is difficult to get a fixed head brush into from an angle. I had a swivel fitting out the other day but packed it away before I even fitted it to my brush.
Yes know it is hard to this using what's on the market.( if you haven't got this swivel movement we have developed on your brushes.)
Can understand your frustration.
Just got find some that is willing to make and market them.
As have not got the resources needed to bring this to market. 



Dave Willis

Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2018, 02:36:58 pm »
Wagtail have surely beaten you to it? The new highflier pad swivels in both directions doesn’t it? I haven’t used one but to me it looked like the blade had the usual action, the pad could rotate in the vertical plane plus one tool does the job of two, surely better for arthritic trad window cleaners?

Spruce

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Re: ANYONE INTERESTED??
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2018, 05:02:54 pm »
Most swivels move side to side.
However when using you go to move side to side then try changing to a vertical there is a part that has restraints due to no curvature at that point.
Having curvature at this point allow a smooth transaction between horizontal thought to vertical as you using a squeegee or water fed brush.
Hope this explains it a bit better.
   

But that won't work for a wfp brush swivel.

So can you tell why it will not work on WFP brush without even trying it??  ???

Whose selling them?

I've looked at your video clip before with your swivel in action on a wfp brush and it did nothing to inspire me. In fact, I commented that cleaning a window with a brush in the vertical position was hard work. I tried it by turning the brush on the Quicklok fitting.

I've personally tried every swivel available including the one with a ball and socket. I still prefer a fixed brush and will manage with the odd corner that is difficult to get a fixed head brush into from an angle. I had a swivel fitting out the other day but packed it away before I even fitted it to my brush.
Yes know it is hard to this using what's on the market.( if you haven't got this swivel movement we have developed on your brushes.)
Can understand your frustration.
Just got find some that is willing to make and market them.
As have not got the resources needed to bring this to market.

So what you are saying is that you are the only one who has tried them and found them to be the best swivel designed - by yourself.

Nobody can make a decision on the action of a product that is not available. I'm not frustrated, but it sounds as though you are. For me personally with what's available and what I've used, I'm not into swivels. I'm not frustrated in the slighest that there isn't a swivel that bowls me over.

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Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)