[lee_dewing]

Hello everyone

While I’m waiting for the rain to stop I’d thought I’d make a post

As title I use gardiner red fan jets
But read a reply by Smudger (hello Darren)

About gardiner black 100 degree fan jets.

Basically I get spotting sometimes with current fan jets

Some of it is white coating coming off of frames so not a lot to be done there🤔

But other times I put it down to pressure of jets

This video explains my point at 1 minute and 50 seconds
He is using pencil jets I realised
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4uuPft4tjLk

I use the medium mixed brush gardeners, white brush, black bristles in middle with red fan jets think there 50 degrees

No customers have complained is just something I notice from time to time

Do you fellow fan jet users rinse on or off the glass?

I’ve rinsed off but starting rinsing almost on 😁

Otherwise rinsing off means altering pressure so water doesn’t push up the glass and if pressure is to low fans turn into pencil jets.

I see people are now trying xline rinse bar pencil jets
Which I’ve been thinking of trying

But I do like fans

Any tips from fellow fan jet users?

I’ve been wfp for 13 years and I think my technique is pretty decent

Thanks everyone 👍

[alank]

I use same brush with 100 degree fans and rinse on all the time with very few issues I think it best when rinsing on to keep brush lightly on the glass and rinse as you would squeegee off if that makes sense also using a swivel goose neck helps a lot.

[Dry Clean]

There are just some windows that no matter what you do or use will still leave the odd spot run here and there, windows with degraded frames and rubber seals would be two examples of this, personally when it comes to operator caused problems I put most of them  down to a lack of scrubbing, poor flow and trying to save on water.
Remember when rinsing on the glass you are also giving it an exrtra scub and pushing any water that would just bounce off the glass back on,  a good flow is a must have when rincing on.

[Spruce]

Hello everyone

While I’m waiting for the rain to stop I’d thought I’d make a post

As title I use gardiner red fan jets
But read a reply by Smudger (hello Darren)

About gardiner black 100 degree fan jets.

Basically I get spotting sometimes with current fan jets

Some of it is white coating coming off of frames so not a lot to be done there🤔

But other times I put it down to pressure of jets

This video explains my point at 1 minute and 50 seconds
He is using pencil jets I realised
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4uuPft4tjLk

I use the medium mixed brush gardeners, white brush, black bristles in middle with red fan jets think there 50 degrees

No customers have complained is just something I notice from time to time

Do you fellow fan jet users rinse on or off the glass?

I’ve rinsed off but starting rinsing almost on 😁

Otherwise rinsing off means altering pressure so water doesn’t push up the glass and if pressure is to low fans turn into pencil jets.

I see people are now trying xline rinse bar pencil jets
Which I’ve been thinking of trying

But I do like fans

Any tips from fellow fan jet users?

I’ve been wfp for 13 years and I think my technique is pretty decent

Thanks everyone 👍

Perry Tait is not the beall and endall of window cleaning. He isn't a window cleaner and although he tries to make out that he has done window cleaning you can see by the way he uses a pole that he has no idea. Primarily, he's a gobby salesman.

I do have issues with fan jets because the spray isn't controllable. Often they can bring dirt down from above to top window frame leaving issues. So I prefer a pencil jet but if the flow is too high then you will get splash back and the resultant spotting issues occassionally.

If you like a fast rinse then 3mm pencil jets are great as you flood the glass with water and get very little splashback.

Unfortunately I go through too much water with 3mm jets so stick with 2mm. I quite like the idea of Gardiners microjet rinse bar but I would again see myself using too much water.

https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/brushes/brush-head-attachments/micro-jet-rinse-bar-standard-width-26cm.html

I did invest in a Gardiner spray bar with fan jets 2 years ago.

https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/brushes/brush-head-attachments/overspray-rinse-bar-assembly.html

It works quite nicely on large commercial glass panels. I haven't been very successful using it on residential tbh.

[NWH]

If I’ve ever had spotting problems a lot of the time it came from fan jets when I tried them,the lack of control with them is the problem they spray water all around the frame and brickwork,the only brush I have them in are brushes that I use to clean cladding facias etc other than that I don’t use them anymore.

[Smudger]

The 100 degree fans are the ones to get the reds don’t have enough spread - rinse with the brush just touching the glass.

Ok guys - for those who have problems with fan jets being uncontrollable - please explain what is the exact problem I’m finding difficult to see where the problem is ( currently I can only think that you leave the flow going between windows )

Darran

[P @ F]

I use the reds and have had no issues at all regarding spots , I do not always turn off between windows as I leave the window at cill level , maybe some of the  rinse onners leave at the top frame after building up their head of water to get the rinse done , not turning off at that stage would cause splash back for sure  .

[paul alan]

The 100 degree fans are the ones to get the reds don’t have enough spread - rinse with the brush just touching the glass.

Ok guys - for those who have problems with fan jets being uncontrollable - please explain what is the exact problem I’m finding difficult to see where the problem is ( currently I can only think that you leave the flow going between windows )

Darran

How would leaving the flow going between windows cause spots?

[P @ F]

I would hazard a guess that the spray of water could hit the brick and get carried back to the glass .

One thing I do if windy is work in the same direction that the wind is travelling to minimise this , not always the way you want to do it , but if it prevents a complaint leading to a revisit then so be it ! 

[NWH]

Exactly the brickwork etc I find I can be more precise with pencils.

[CleanClear]

Red Fan Jets here, mono brush, rinse on, don't switch off and had no problems that i am aware of.

[Spruce]

Red Fan Jets here, mono brush, rinse on, don't switch off and had no problems that i am aware of.

I rinse off the glass and am pretty sure this creates a problem. But when I rinse on I get grit left behind on the glass. We are on the NE coast and have always found it works better with pencil jets rinsing off the glass - for me anyway.

[Slacky]

Fan jets?

Sod that, I chuck a bucket of water at the glass, that rinses everything off.

[paul alan]

I find I cant rinse on with hydrophobic glass as the bristles leave horizontal trails when moving the brush from side to side, these dry dirty. I rinse the window off in sections of about 15-20", trying to go any wider I lose the "curtain".


I think if its a case of the fan jets pushing water back up the glass if you dwell the flow a little longer at the top then whatever water gets pushed back up will be rinsed back down if you stay there a bit longer.


I've not had any complaints, but that doesnt mean anything.

[nathankaye]

I find I cant rinse on with hydrophobic glass as the bristles leave horizontal trails when moving the brush from side to side, these dry dirty. I rinse the window off in sections of about 15-20", trying to go any wider I lose the "curtain".


I think if its a case of the fan jets pushing water back up the glass if you dwell the flow a little longer at the top then whatever water gets pushed back up will be rinsed back down if you stay there a bit longer.


I've not had any complaints, but that doesnt mean anything.

I often wondered what ones meant about brush marks left on the window when they rinse on, as before I couldn't understand it.   I rinse on the glass and I have done so since day one but there has been times when I've rinsed off the glass for whatever particular reason at the time. Many a times, pending the angle or direction of the brush, there would be a definite trail caused by the bristles. Which is just directional drops of water splatter compared to gravity droplets of water instead and these have never dried dirty for me. But then I use a tonne load of jets or a cannons on a spray bar  yet that shouldn't make a difference unless the windows are disgusting because your first couple of passes should remove surface dirt and your next couple of passes would effectively be the rinse with whatever tds water you have in you tank.  Apart from any grime left on your brush (but my brush is very firm and only cleaning with the tips of the bristles. Because the jets or spray bar is flowing heavy I don't trap particles in the brush inorder to contaminate the glass, compared to perhaps brushes which splay open with the slightest of touches, so when no pressure applied the bristles spring back to default trapping the dirt which then mixes with the rinse water.......... Just my opinion and probably completely wrong) or dirt left to drip from frames or dodgy seals. But if these are factors, then rinsing with fans or not (provided not spraying brick work which is down to user control) shouldn't cause any spotting.

(it's silly o'clock n I may read this on sat and delete, is a thought going through my mind)

[paul alan]

I find I cant rinse on with hydrophobic glass as the bristles leave horizontal trails when moving the brush from side to side, these dry dirty. I rinse the window off in sections of about 15-20", trying to go any wider I lose the "curtain".


I think if its a case of the fan jets pushing water back up the glass if you dwell the flow a little longer at the top then whatever water gets pushed back up will be rinsed back down if you stay there a bit longer.


I've not had any complaints, but that doesnt mean anything.

I often wondered what ones meant about brush marks left on the window when they rinse on, as before I couldn't understand it.   I rinse on the glass and I have done so since day one but there has been times when I've rinsed off the glass for whatever particular reason at the time. Many a times, pending the angle or direction of the brush, there would be a definite trail caused by the bristles. Which is just directional drops of water splatter compared to gravity droplets of water instead and these have never dried dirty for me. But then I use a tonne load of jets or a cannons on a spray bar  yet that shouldn't make a difference unless the windows are disgusting because your first couple of passes should remove surface dirt and your next couple of passes would effectively be the rinse with whatever tds water you have in you tank.  Apart from any grime left on your brush (but my brush is very firm and only cleaning with the tips of the bristles. Because the jets or spray bar is flowing heavy I don't trap particles in the brush I order to contaminate the glass, compared to perhaps brushes which splay open with the slightest of touches, so when no pressure applied the bristles spring back to default trapping the dirt which then mixes with the rinse water.......... Just my opinion and probably completely wrong) or dirt left to drip from frames or dodgy seals. But if these are factors, then rinsing with fans or not (provided not spraying brick work which is down to user control) shouldn't cause any spotting.

(it's silly o'clock n I may read this on sat and delete, is a thought going through my mind)

Next time the sun ia out go and check them trails when its dry, some dry dirty believe me.

[dazmond]

if you bother to check your work then rinsing on can cause problems esp on hydrophobic glass(brush marks left behind on the glass dry dirty sometimes)......

[Dry Clean]

if you bother to check your work then rinsing on can cause problems esp on hydrophobic glass(brush marks left behind on the glass dry dirty sometimes)......

What are you getting on the glass, mud ? so much for hot (roll eyes) Ł4.5k and you still have to hold the brush off the glass when rinsing
I clean six weekly and the majority of the dirt that I get on the glass is just spotting caused by rain and dust. in other words I have a clean brush which is cleaning windows with very little dirt on them, brush marks lol.

[nathankaye]

if you bother to check your work then rinsing on can cause problems esp on hydrophobic glass(brush marks left behind on the glass dry dirty sometimes)......

I have to agree with Sean's comments above.
But why do I need to check daz, I spent many a times checking in my first several months constantly as I was paranoid/ocd in giving the perfect cleans and so I know what works and what doesn't for me, based on my experience. I've also never had a call back based on this nor complaints based on this either. I'm back within four weeks to clean relatively clean windows and therefore I would also be able to see signs of this before I clean them again

[dazmond]

i get a lot more than a bit of dust on a lot of my windows esp when its been windy....the little bits of dirt need to be rinsed off properly....you cant do that with brush on very well IMO......