[Crystal-clear]

It's always small to medium sized window cleaners that might use them. There's a new company now elite canvassing 3 clean guarantee confirming work everything sounds great. The only thing that goes through my mind is if that service worked and you really had a 3 clean guarantee the likes of Lee Pryor and others would fully booked them up for life and they would not need to advertise ever again.

These guarantees never really work out to what they are  not to say though perhaps this eleite companys methods work. The only thing is I've never ever heard a success story where someone has paid 3 or 4 cleans a real person that we know from the forum and is ecstatic and has managed to put multiple vans on the road.

[Perfect Windows]

It's always small to medium sized window cleaners that might use them. There's a new company now elite canvassing 3 clean guarantee confirming work everything sounds great. The only thing that goes through my mind is if that service worked and you really had a 3 clean guarantee the likes of Lee Pryor and others would fully booked them up for life and they would not need to advertise ever again.

These guarantees never really work out to what they are  not to say though perhaps this eleite companys methods work. The only thing is I've never ever heard a success story where someone has paid 3 or 4 cleans a real person that we know from the forum and is ecstatic and has managed to put multiple vans on the road.

It's a matter of cost. 3 cleans is worth paying when you're desperate for quick growth, i.e. when you'll starve without customers. It's a mad price to pay when you don't have to.

Vin

[Smudger]

Canvassers are an expensive way to get customers - we used one and he wasn’t too bad but he struggled to get understand our pricing structure and certainly didn’t allow for the rank first cleans he picked up long term it worked but there were points of friction like he would do terraced roads and council stuff when we wanted detached and village stuff.

Darran

[Shrek]

I suppose when your at a certain size , your company grows anyway without canvassing & leafleting so it’s a cost that you can do without.

[Stoots]

Here's another thing though

All the big boys (ok not all)

But the vast majority of guys on here who are building big businesses with leaflets live down south.

The return on leaflets should be about the same all across the country i.e percentage wise.

However if you are paying £60 per 1000 and get 3 jobs averaging £20 this is much better r.o.i than if you are in an area charging £10 average.

I've tried leaflets and I don't get the return I need.

Canvassers charge 3x so whether you are getting a £10 job or £20 job it's the same r.o.i

Also with canvassing you are getting what you pay for up front, you hand over 3 grand you get 1000 of work, with leaflets you hand over 3k and the return could be anything at all, more of a lottery.

Having said that, canvassing is much more hassle, much more Messer's and by the time you factor in non payers and time wasters the r.o.i is pretty similar.

Another point though is canvassing produce more compact work, so would you rather blanket a whole city or hone in on one village and canvass it over and over again to make it really compact.

Now having said all that, both leafletting and canvassing does not come anywhere near the return that online marketing does. (Unless you are canvassing yourself and even then you have your time to factor in)

My finding personally

Canvassing... charge 3x but in reality once you factor retention rate in it works out at 6x however over time canvassed work will be more profitable as it's more compact. My best days are from canvassed work.

Leaflets...royal mail is about £60 per thousand so 10k £600 plus cost of leaflets which could be anything from £100 upwards. From 10k I would expect 20 calls and convert maybe 15 which is about  5-6x very roughly but like I say figures vary widely from one campaign to the next.

Online marketing...personally I pay between £3-5 per lead on average with and average conversion rate of 50% so i generally pay 1x clean value for customers gained this way. Now imagine if I had an average clean value of £20 the return gets even better... The downside is it's more spread out than canvassing.

Personally I now use a combination of online and canvassing, canvassing to get a foothold or a days work in a particular area then add that are to your online marketing to keep topped up in the area.

I wouldnt use a leaflet again, however I'm up north I can't get the return of the big boys down south.

[Shrek]

I personally don’t like canvassing or canvassers coming to my door. I canvassed to begin with and hated it , also never had so many messers . Maybe they weren’t messers but because I was at their door, they felt under pressure to say yes just to get rid of me, also felt like I was going round begging for work and price it cheap because of this.

[Lee Pryor]

I will just say that nothing has ever beaten my ROI with leaflets. Nothing. I would never use a canvasser or purchase an existing round from another cleaner. I want customers that chose us, our price, our way of doing things and pay by direct debit.

The quality of canvassed work is terrible. The only time this is a good form of marketing is when your doing it yourself as I used to do when we were a lot smaller.

We have a new idea to try next year (not telling) but we will still be doing our leaflet campaigns.

[Martin Lane]

We currently work for about 30 property management companies so we always have a steady flow of new blocks of flats coming in,

Martin

[NWH]

Everyone I know that’s used canvassing or a canvasser has said the same thing the work was terrible,they are getting 3x the clean on average so they try and pick up anything. Usually the first stop is an estate house after house to leaflet more. The guy I know kept about 20% of the work he purchased overall,he said he wouldn’t bother using 1 again.

[AuRavelling79]

I will just say that nothing has ever beaten my ROI with leaflets. Nothing. I would never use a canvasser or purchase an existing round from another cleaner. I want customers that chose us, our price, our way of doing things and pay by direct debit.

The quality of canvassed work is terrible. The only time this is a good form of marketing is when your doing it yourself as I used to do when we were a lot smaller.

We have a new idea to try next year (not telling) but we will still be doing our leaflet campaigns.

I guess it is a biplane with a banner.

[Crystal-clear]

I will just say that nothing has ever beaten my ROI with leaflets. Nothing. I would never use a canvasser or purchase an existing round from another cleaner. I want customers that chose us, our price, our way of doing things and pay by direct debit.

The quality of canvassed work is terrible. The only time this is a good form of marketing is when your doing it yourself as I used to do when we were a lot smaller.

We have a new idea to try next year (not telling) but we will still be doing our leaflet campaigns.

pretty much sum it up mate.. basically if you and some others knew you were getting it how you liked it canvassers wouldn't ever need to advertise again.

[Crystal-clear]

Here's another thing though

All the big boys (ok not all)

But the vast majority of guys on here who are building big businesses with leaflets live down south.

The return on leaflets should be about the same all across the country i.e percentage wise.

However if you are paying £60 per 1000 and get 3 jobs averaging £20 this is much better r.o.i than if you are in an area charging £10 average.

I've tried leaflets and I don't get the return I need.

Canvassers charge 3x so whether you are getting a £10 job or £20 job it's the same r.o.i

Also with canvassing you are getting what you pay for up front, you hand over 3 grand you get 1000 of work, with leaflets you hand over 3k and the return could be anything at all, more of a lottery.

Having said that, canvassing is much more hassle, much more Messer's and by the time you factor in non payers and time wasters the r.o.i is pretty similar.

Another point though is canvassing produce more compact work, so would you rather blanket a whole city or hone in on one village and canvass it over and over again to make it really compact.

Now having said all that, both leafletting and canvassing does not come anywhere near the return that online marketing does. (Unless you are canvassing yourself and even then you have your time to factor in)

My finding personally

Canvassing... charge 3x but in reality once you factor retention rate in it works out at 6x however over time canvassed work will be more profitable as it's more compact. My best days are from canvassed work.

Leaflets...royal mail is about £60 per thousand so 10k £600 plus cost of leaflets which could be anything from £100 upwards. From 10k I would expect 20 calls and convert maybe 15 which is about  5-6x very roughly but like I say figures vary widely from one campaign to the next.

Online marketing...personally I pay between £3-5 per lead on average with and average conversion rate of 50% so i generally pay 1x clean value for customers gained this way. Now imagine if I had an average clean value of £20 the return gets even better... The downside is it's more spread out than canvassing.

Personally I now use a combination of online and canvassing, canvassing to get a foothold or a days work in a particular area then add that are to your online marketing to keep topped up in the area.

I wouldn't use a leaflet again, however I'm up north I can't get the return of the big boys down south.

a very detailed broken down response here indeed. yea good points of course on a small scale i know canvassing works like you say alot more messers etc .and i see youre point when its a £10 average clean canvassing may just work out better then down south when you can have a £20 or more average clean to return ratio.

[Arnold Palmer]

Here's another thing though

All the big boys (ok not all)

But the vast majority of guys on here who are building big businesses with leaflets live down south.

The return on leaflets should be about the same all across the country i.e percentage wise.

However if you are paying £60 per 1000 and get 3 jobs averaging £20 this is much better r.o.i than if you are in an area charging £10 average.

I've tried leaflets and I don't get the return I need.

Canvassers charge 3x so whether you are getting a £10 job or £20 job it's the same r.o.i

Also with canvassing you are getting what you pay for up front, you hand over 3 grand you get 1000 of work, with leaflets you hand over 3k and the return could be anything at all, more of a lottery.

Having said that, canvassing is much more hassle, much more Messer's and by the time you factor in non payers and time wasters the r.o.i is pretty similar.

Another point though is canvassing produce more compact work, so would you rather blanket a whole city or hone in on one village and canvass it over and over again to make it really compact.

Now having said all that, both leafletting and canvassing does not come anywhere near the return that online marketing does. (Unless you are canvassing yourself and even then you have your time to factor in)

My finding personally

Canvassing... charge 3x but in reality once you factor retention rate in it works out at 6x however over time canvassed work will be more profitable as it's more compact. My best days are from canvassed work.

Leaflets...royal mail is about £60 per thousand so 10k £600 plus cost of leaflets which could be anything from £100 upwards. From 10k I would expect 20 calls and convert maybe 15 which is about  5-6x very roughly but like I say figures vary widely from one campaign to the next.

Online marketing...personally I pay between £3-5 per lead on average with and average conversion rate of 50% so i generally pay 1x clean value for customers gained this way. Now imagine if I had an average clean value of £20 the return gets even better... The downside is it's more spread out than canvassing.

Personally I now use a combination of online and canvassing, canvassing to get a foothold or a days work in a particular area then add that are to your online marketing to keep topped up in the area.

I wouldnt use a leaflet again, however I'm up north I can't get the return of the big boys down south.

Tl;dr but I'm up north and I only use leaflets. Works just fine

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

not true as the biggest boy of them all as two full time door knockers on his books and onw part time one with over 21 vans out daily i guess he knows a thing or two about pulling work in

[Crystal-clear]

not true as the biggest boy of them all as two full time door knockers on his books and onw part time one with over 21 vans out daily i guess he knows a thing or two about pulling work in

i bet he aint paying 3-4 cleans tho
i think canvassing works if the canvassers are realistic

[Lee Pryor]

not true as the biggest boy of them all as two full time door knockers on his books and onw part time one with over 21 vans out daily i guess he knows a thing or two about pulling work in

Name the company please. I need to call them for advice on their employed canvssers. I have directly employed my own canvassers in the past and it still wasnt any good.

Doesnt matter how many vans you have out its how much they do each day that matters.

[Stoots]

Here's another thing though

All the big boys (ok not all)

But the vast majority of guys on here who are building big businesses with leaflets live down south.

The return on leaflets should be about the same all across the country i.e percentage wise.

However if you are paying £60 per 1000 and get 3 jobs averaging £20 this is much better r.o.i than if you are in an area charging £10 average.

I've tried leaflets and I don't get the return I need.

Canvassers charge 3x so whether you are getting a £10 job or £20 job it's the same r.o.i

Also with canvassing you are getting what you pay for up front, you hand over 3 grand you get 1000 of work, with leaflets you hand over 3k and the return could be anything at all, more of a lottery.

Having said that, canvassing is much more hassle, much more Messer's and by the time you factor in non payers and time wasters the r.o.i is pretty similar.

Another point though is canvassing produce more compact work, so would you rather blanket a whole city or hone in on one village and canvass it over and over again to make it really compact.

Now having said all that, both leafletting and canvassing does not come anywhere near the return that online marketing does. (Unless you are canvassing yourself and even then you have your time to factor in)

My finding personally

Canvassing... charge 3x but in reality once you factor retention rate in it works out at 6x however over time canvassed work will be more profitable as it's more compact. My best days are from canvassed work.

Leaflets...royal mail is about £60 per thousand so 10k £600 plus cost of leaflets which could be anything from £100 upwards. From 10k I would expect 20 calls and convert maybe 15 which is about  5-6x very roughly but like I say figures vary widely from one campaign to the next.

Online marketing...personally I pay between £3-5 per lead on average with and average conversion rate of 50% so i generally pay 1x clean value for customers gained this way. Now imagine if I had an average clean value of £20 the return gets even better... The downside is it's more spread out than canvassing.

Personally I now use a combination of online and canvassing, canvassing to get a foothold or a days work in a particular area then add that are to your online marketing to keep topped up in the area.

I wouldnt use a leaflet again, however I'm up north I can't get the return of the big boys down south.

Tl;dr but I'm up north and I only use leaflets. Works just fine

Yeh perhaps using a north/south example is a generalisation.

What I meant is if one person has an average price double that of another then all things being equal as in % calls from leaflets the guy who charges more is going to have a better return on investment.

But it's all about finding what works for you, be that canvassing, leaflets or anything else.

There's no right or wrong only our own experiences.

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

not true as the biggest boy of them all as two full time door knockers on his books and onw part time one with over 21 vans out daily i guess he knows a thing or two about pulling work in

Name the company please. I need to call them for advice on their employed canvssers. I have directly employed my own canvassers in the past and it still wasnt any good.

Doesnt matter how many vans you have out its how much they do each day that matters.

i am sure he will be along any minute i know he watches these pages  but rarely posts  ,  just look out for  tlc lee nice bloke  but doesnt suffer fools gladly and keeps everything close to his chest you only find things out from ex employees last i heard 25 vans out daily along with three firms cars not sure you will get much from him as his patch is ever get closer to yours by the day

[Lee Pryor]

so name the company............................. why the mystery?

How many vans someone has does not impress me. Could be 25 people up ladders doing front only council terraced houses all day long for £5. Van number means nothing

[Tom-01]

Same as turnover