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Granny

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2018, 01:14:49 pm »
Good info Spruce but surely that doesn't mean you can only recharge it 80 times?
I bought one of these Halfords batteries but I must have charged it more than 80 times.
I charge mine every night without fail and I've had it several months now.
Or does it mean you can completely discharge it 80 times?

Stoots

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2018, 05:24:32 pm »
Interesting spruce.

I was always under the impression the Halfords ones were made by "forgot" and supposed to be really good.

But doesn't seem to be the case.
I've just taken mine back for a swap as it was knackered after 8 months.
What size did you have? We found with bench charging every day or two the lasted a couple of years. That was the 115(I think).

115. had a previous one which was a 70, i dont think that lasted 2 years either.

Interesting spruce.

I was always under the impression the Halfords ones were made by "forgot" and supposed to be really good.

But doesn't seem to be the case.
I've just taken mine back for a swap as it was knackered after 8 months.

how often were you charging your battery?you should charge it  every day IMO esp if your not using a split relay and your using an electric reel as well as powering pumps.

you shouldnt discharge a leisure battery less than 50%(ideally 30%)before charging again....its supposed to keep the batteries in good condition....

every night daz, always charge every night
Interesting spruce.

I was always under the impression the Halfords ones were made by "forgot" and supposed to be really good.

But doesn't seem to be the case.
I've just taken mine back for a swap as it was knackered after 8 months.

i bet you didnt tell them you were using it for window cleaning though! ;) ;D

told them it was for my caravan, said i only had a fridge runnning on it and it was going flar within hours. took me 3 attempts at taking it back though, first two times they tested it and it said good battery nowt we can do.... It was only after i insisted it wasnt they charged it up themselves and put a load on it overnight, next morning i went back and machine said bad battery.

davids3511

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2018, 05:52:56 pm »
While we’re on the subject, I’m fitting out another van atm. Halfords has a 115ah leisure battery for £95. Anyone beat this?

I don't think I would want that battery when I read the specs.

According to their recent grading listings that they have signed up to (NCC), their £95 (reduced from £105) 115amp leisure battery is only a class C rated. The specs list it's charging cycles as 80.

https://www.halfords.com/camping-leisure/caravan-motorhomes/electrical-power/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb681

Thats a pretty poor show for a window cleaning battery.

I would rather go for a Numax for £5 more and get a battery with a 500 cycle rating. (Numax doesn't apear to have signed up to NCC rating, but I have had very good service from Numax batteries and would recommend them even although Numax won't warranty their batteries when used by window cleaners.)

https://www.tayna.co.uk/leisure-batteries/numax/xv31mf/

I'm glad Halfords have signed up the the NCC rating. Even their class B 100 amp leisure battery doesn't measure up that much better with 200 cycles

https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb700

 Even their top of the range AGM battery doesn't seem to 'cut the mustard.'

https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb800

 

NCC =
https://www.thencc.org.uk/our_schemes/ncc_verified_leisure_battery_scheme.aspx
I have two batteries from Halfords purchased Sep 2017. They are wired in parallel, so about 230ah in total. They are charged by a Ctek M200 charger every night. They run a pump, flow controller and a webasto for about 7 hours a day. They are both shot and need replacing so I'd agree Spruce. They are crap.

Spruce

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2018, 06:04:39 pm »
Good info Spruce but surely that doesn't mean you can only recharge it 80 times?
I bought one of these Halfords batteries but I must have charged it more than 80 times.
I charge mine every night without fail and I've had it several months now.
Or does it mean you can completely discharge it 80 times?

Wikipedia says;
A charge cycle is the process of charging a rechargeable battery and discharging it as required into a load. The term is typically used to specify a battery's expected life, as the number of charge cycles affects life more than the mere passage of time. Discharging the battery fully before recharging may be called "deep discharge"; partially discharging then recharging may be called "shallow discharge".

In general, number of cycles for a rechargeable battery indicates how many times it can undergo the process of complete charging and discharging until failure or it starting to lose capacity.

If you only use 25% of your batteries capacity then you can expect to get more cycles than 80.
However, if batteries use the same test standard, then there is a big difference between 80 and 200 cycles.

I mentioned this as there are a few cleaners who have had longevity issues with Halfords batteries. This new battery classification is new as this is the first time I've seen it on their website. I was in Halfords the other day and noticed that their batteries were displayed in racks under 3 classes. I don't go into Halfords often but that captured my attention.

The need for a standard has arisen because manufacturers have previously been known to manipulate the number of discharge cycles by testing them after only discharging the battery by a small percentage, say 10 amps from a 115 amp battery. They then stipulate their testing procedures in the small print that buyers never read. Higher discharge charge cycles make their battery look better than it actually is. (Like fuel consumption figures for new cars!)

At one time we used to ignore these charging cycles when looking for batteries as they were deceiving. A good test was comparing weights. Heavier leisure batteries were seen as better quality as they had more lead in them.

Now I'm not saying that Numax's figures of 500 cycles are not manipulated.  I can't recall seeing those cycles that high before tbh. But our experience is that every Numax battery we have had has given superb service.

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andyM

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2018, 06:11:56 pm »
Just like Ctek chargers, I’ll never go past Yuasa batteries.

My last one lasted 4 years before I sold it.

Ctek charger and yuasa battery...... match made in the skies.  ;D

Like anything good, there not cheap, but you get what you pay for. Don’t get me wrong there not crazy expensive either. Just top end.

Im fairly confident that im correct in saying the Halfords Leisure Batteries are made by Yuasa.
One of the Plebs

Spruce

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2018, 06:15:46 pm »
While we’re on the subject, I’m fitting out another van atm. Halfords has a 115ah leisure battery for £95. Anyone beat this?

I don't think I would want that battery when I read the specs.

According to their recent grading listings that they have signed up to (NCC), their £95 (reduced from £105) 115amp leisure battery is only a class C rated. The specs list it's charging cycles as 80.

https://www.halfords.com/camping-leisure/caravan-motorhomes/electrical-power/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb681

Thats a pretty poor show for a window cleaning battery.

I would rather go for a Numax for £5 more and get a battery with a 500 cycle rating. (Numax doesn't apear to have signed up to NCC rating, but I have had very good service from Numax batteries and would recommend them even although Numax won't warranty their batteries when used by window cleaners.)

https://www.tayna.co.uk/leisure-batteries/numax/xv31mf/

I'm glad Halfords have signed up the the NCC rating. Even their class B 100 amp leisure battery doesn't measure up that much better with 200 cycles

https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb700

 Even their top of the range AGM battery doesn't seem to 'cut the mustard.'

https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb800

 

NCC =
https://www.thencc.org.uk/our_schemes/ncc_verified_leisure_battery_scheme.aspx
I have two batteries from Halfords purchased Sep 2017. They are wired in parallel, so about 230ah in total. They are charged by a Ctek M200 charger every night. They run a pump, flow controller and a webasto for about 7 hours a day. They are both shot and need replacing so I'd agree Spruce. They are crap.

Halford's isn't a bargain store. Nothing is cheap. There is a lot of cheap stuff sold at high prices. They are a retail store that is geared up to sell at the top prices they can get.
I bought a spin on oil filter for my car from them once. I paid £9.99. I pay £3.00 at our local motor factors for a similar filter. I've been buying that same filter for the past 10 years from that motor factor. Each of our Citroen Hdis use the same filter.

It looks like they are sell a poor quality battery for a top price. Its probably good enough for a caravaner who has it on charge at home, then on a split charge relay travelling on holiday and hookup when they get to their destination. Maybe is gets hammered for a few moments with a caravan motor mover but is recharged immediately.
If the caravan goes into storage over winter and the battery goes flat, then the owner is told the failure is his fault and he buys another.

Looking at these specs I now wouldn't buy that battery for window cleaning as it isn't good enough.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

dazmond

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2018, 06:16:56 pm »
grippa fitted my van out with 2 x numax 105ah batteries wired up to a b+b smartcharger to run my diesel heater,pump,controller and electric reel......so far,so good although their not a year old yet til dec 6th.....
price higher/work harder!

Spruce

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2018, 06:25:57 pm »
grippa fitted my van out with 2 x numax 105ah batteries wired up to a b+b smartcharger to run my diesel heater,pump,controller and electric reel......so far,so good although their not a year old yet til dec 6th.....

Those Numax batteries are half leisure and half starter motor batteries. They have a cold cranking amps (CCA) value as a starter battery and also work well as a leisure battery - much like a 'traction' battery.

A standard leisure battery just isn't designed to have high current drawn from them. So we need to look for batteries that can deliver a higher amperage output, especially if we add starting a diesel heater (they draw about 20 amps in pulses for 3 minutes when starting) and an electric hose reel that will draw around 25 amps for 30 secs each time we wind in.

P&F has a Numax leisure battery in his van as his starter battery as well as his pump battery. His alternator and solar panels keep his battery fully charged.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

davids3511

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2018, 07:31:41 pm »
While we’re on the subject, I’m fitting out another van atm. Halfords has a 115ah leisure battery for £95. Anyone beat this?

I don't think I would want that battery when I read the specs.

According to their recent grading listings that they have signed up to (NCC), their £95 (reduced from £105) 115amp leisure battery is only a class C rated. The specs list it's charging cycles as 80.

https://www.halfords.com/camping-leisure/caravan-motorhomes/electrical-power/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb681

Thats a pretty poor show for a window cleaning battery.

I would rather go for a Numax for £5 more and get a battery with a 500 cycle rating. (Numax doesn't apear to have signed up to NCC rating, but I have had very good service from Numax batteries and would recommend them even although Numax won't warranty their batteries when used by window cleaners.)

https://www.tayna.co.uk/leisure-batteries/numax/xv31mf/

I'm glad Halfords have signed up the the NCC rating. Even their class B 100 amp leisure battery doesn't measure up that much better with 200 cycles

https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb700

 Even their top of the range AGM battery doesn't seem to 'cut the mustard.'

https://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-blades-batteries/leisure-batteries/halfords-leisure-battery-hlb800

 

NCC =
https://www.thencc.org.uk/our_schemes/ncc_verified_leisure_battery_scheme.aspx
I have two batteries from Halfords purchased Sep 2017. They are wired in parallel, so about 230ah in total. They are charged by a Ctek M200 charger every night. They run a pump, flow controller and a webasto for about 7 hours a day. They are both shot and need replacing so I'd agree Spruce. They are crap.

Halford's isn't a bargain store. Nothing is cheap. There is a lot of cheap stuff sold at high prices. They are a retail store that is geared up to sell at the top prices they can get.
I bought a spin on oil filter for my car from them once. I paid £9.99. I pay £3.00 at our local motor factors for a similar filter. I've been buying that same filter for the past 10 years from that motor factor. Each of our Citroen Hdis use the same filter.

It looks like they are sell a poor quality battery for a top price. Its probably good enough for a caravaner who has it on charge at home, then on a split charge relay travelling on holiday and hookup when they get to their destination. Maybe is gets hammered for a few moments with a caravan motor mover but is recharge immediately.
If the caravan goes into storage over winter and the battery goes flat, then the owner is told the failure is his fault and he buys another.

Looking at these specs I now wouldn't buy that battery for window cleaning as it isn't good enough.
They're handy though Spruce. I was desperate as problems with my webasto had been diagnosed to be battery problems (it wasn't as it happens, it was using diesel instead of kero). I could go out and purchase them same day. For window cleaning they're probably ok, I'd get another year out of them but when you ask them to do some serious work they aren't up to it.

CleanClear

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2018, 07:38:10 pm »

I charge mine every night without fail

That is the way foreward. Thats the only way to keep a battery in good nick.
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Shrek

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2018, 07:44:07 pm »
What do you guys do over the weekend if not working?
Do you leave it on charge from Friday evening til Monday morning
Or
Stick it on charge on Sunday evening ready for Monday morning?

Stoots

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2018, 07:49:12 pm »
Just like Ctek chargers, I’ll never go past Yuasa batteries.

My last one lasted 4 years before I sold it.

Ctek charger and yuasa battery...... match made in the skies.  ;D

Like anything good, there not cheap, but you get what you pay for. Don’t get me wrong there not crazy expensive either. Just top end.

Im fairly confident that im correct in saying the Halfords Leisure Batteries are made by Yuasa.

Thats the one! i used to work in halfords and im sure thats who they are or were made by.

People used to rave about the hellfrauds batterys a few years ago which is why i bought them but maybe they have changed manufacturer

And i agree with spruce, most of what they sell is way overpriced.

P @ F

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2018, 09:34:21 pm »
I have spent 12 of my 13 years buying £50 batteries , most of them lasted 12 months with a strict daily charge , cheap and 85 amp models though , then i had one only last 8 months , things had to change , i got the Numax 85 amp MF job and its top .
It is however backed up with alternator and solar charging as i am working , it is the only battery i carry so it runs the van and system in one , the alternator (not smart) does what it can while i am on the move but the solar more than makes up the difference .
The solar is more well thought out than an exact science , much homework was done with regard to how to configure the system for best results , i got lucky first time and am never discharging my battery more than i would say 10% a day , its always fully charged when i get home .
That in terms of cycles fully used is a drop in the ocean , this could well be the last battery i ever buy  ;D   
I'm so lazy I'm getting tired of it !

Spruce

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2018, 08:16:29 am »
Just like Ctek chargers, I’ll never go past Yuasa batteries.

My last one lasted 4 years before I sold it.

Ctek charger and yuasa battery...... match made in the skies.  ;D

Like anything good, there not cheap, but you get what you pay for. Don’t get me wrong there not crazy expensive either. Just top end.

Im fairly confident that im correct in saying the Halfords Leisure Batteries are made by Yuasa.

Thats the one! i used to work in halfords and im sure thats who they are or were made by.

People used to rave about the hellfrauds batterys a few years ago which is why i bought them but maybe they have changed manufacturer

And i agree with spruce, most of what they sell is way overpriced.

I love it.

Halfords is convenient but you pay for that. They are geared toward selling a product to a man in the street.

We are grateful for their longer hours of business. On the coldest night of the last winter daughter in law comes to her car parked in the hospital staff parking lot and discovers her battery is dead. Someone tried to help her jump start the car but that failed. We drove the 12 miles and also tried jumper cables but that battery wouldn't accept a charge.  I diagnosed it with a shorted cell.

At 7.30 my son arrived at Halfords just as they were closing and he got a replacement battery advertised on their sales stand as fresh and fully charged.

It certainly wasn't fresh and fully charged but we fitted it and again jump started the car. We were going to query the state of the battery the following day when the store reopened, but the car started fine the next morning and the battery survived the rest of winter and this summer. So for them it was a 'happy ending' but it took me a long time to thaw out. It was cold in that empty parking lot.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

duncan h

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2018, 08:57:03 am »
Halfords batteries are made by Yuasa. Yuasa make good batteries. I think the Halfords ones are Yuasa's cheep range though.
I have had one for 2 years. After about 16 months it wouldn't take full charge. Took it back 2 times to be told it was ok. Wrote to head office but I said it powered a water pump in my van. NOT COVERED FOR THAT. Even though it was less than what a caravan powered. So make sure you says its in your caravan.
Rule of thumb is, buy a sealed battery. They don't use reconditioned lead etc. Used to be a mechanic and all the cheap reconditioned ones were re fillable

John Mart

Re: leisure battery
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2018, 08:58:36 am »
Halfords batteries are made by Yuasa. Yuasa make good batteries. I think the Halfords ones are Yuasa's cheep range though.
I have had one for 2 years. After about 16 months it wouldn't take full charge. Took it back 2 times to be told it was ok. Wrote to head office but I said it powered a water pump in my van. NOT COVERED FOR THAT. Even though it was less than what a caravan powered. So make sure you says its in your caravan.
Rule of thumb is, buy a sealed battery. They don't use reconditioned lead etc. Used to be a mechanic and all the cheap reconditioned ones were re fillable
16 months seems a good return on investment to me. What do you expect?

David Beecroft

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2018, 01:37:44 pm »
Just one final comment from me, I pulled the old battery out and found it was the identical one Halfords are selling for £95.
Checked my records and I installed it in December 2014. Almost 4 years constant use, often with 2 pumps, recharging each night. Not a bad return me thinks!
So I'm happy to pay my £95.

duncan h

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2018, 06:03:02 pm »
Halfords batteries are made by Yuasa. Yuasa make good batteries. I think the Halfords ones are Yuasa's cheep range though.
I have had one for 2 years. After about 16 months it wouldn't take full charge. Took it back 2 times to be told it was ok. Wrote to head office but I said it powered a water pump in my van. NOT COVERED FOR THAT. Even though it was less than what a caravan powered. So make sure you says its in your caravan.
Rule of thumb is, buy a sealed battery. They don't use reconditioned lead etc. Used to be a mechanic and all the cheap reconditioned ones were re fillable
16 months seems a good return on investment to me. What do you expect?

They have a 2 year warranty. That's what I expect

jonny thompson

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2018, 07:04:57 pm »
Why do you need a leisure battery, I’ve had 3 vans the only time we used a leisure battery we had problems, just run it off the van battery

Spruce

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Re: leisure battery
« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2018, 03:32:12 pm »
Why do you need a leisure battery, I’ve had 3 vans the only time we used a leisure battery we had problems, just run it off the van battery

Some people can do this and some people can't, even driving the same van. We haven't been able to do it as our daily running time just isn't enough to recharge the starter battery.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)