[dazmond]

do everything you can to make the job easier,decent van,diesel hot water system with frost stat feature,electric reels,xtreme poles,round software,card machine,etc.....
 
i honestly cant believe how good us window cleaners have got it these days compared to the bad old days of  endless collecting,ladders and old cars/vans etc.....especially in the winter months!

[Clarkey2]

Thanks for all your input, I'm going to be using a gen for guttervac so I might just buy an instant water heater and use the gen to power it as and when it's needed benefit of a gen being I can use red diesel which at 85p a litre is a bonus 

[The Jester of Wibbly]

You can own a BMW or a Fiat 500.   It still gets you from A to B using the same speed limits,  however it makes it a more enjoyable journey.

[Spruce]

You can own a BWM or a Fiat 500.   It still gets you from A to B using the same speed limits,  however it makes it a more enjoyable journey.

BMW 

[The Jester of Wibbly]

You can own a BWM or a Fiat 500.   It still gets you from A to B using the same speed limits,  however it makes it a more enjoyable journey.

BMW 

Whoops 

[Jonny 87]

Jonny I have a top of the range LPG that I originally bought to install in a motorhome ( would equal any diesel heater when it comes to performance ) and I would be still using it now if it made the slightest difference to my working day.
My windows will be as clean as any hot user( fact) and my speed in other words how quick I can get the pole on the glass to give it a quick scrub will depend on my fitness, age, level of tiredness on the day and so on, not some magic potion or sledge hammer.
Im not saying that hot water wont clean stubborn bird poo, snail trails and so on slightly quicker than cold, what I'm saying is most of us wont be getting enough of them to make or see a difference.
Iv had guys who use PPB who say my windows wont be as clean, guys who use additives that say my windows wont be as clean and the same with hot users, I'm sure it only a matter of time before another fad/faff will come along and the users will say the same.

Top Of the range you say. 

I’ll agree to disagree with you Sean. 

You telling me if you could have the option of flicking a switch and having nice hot water during the day, and a frost free van at night with no hassle you’d say no? It’s the cost that puts people off. Which I very much understand. It put me off for years too.

[Dry Clean]

Jonny I have a top of the range LPG that I originally bought to install in a motorhome ( would equal any diesel heater when it comes to performance ) and I would be still using it now if it made the slightest difference to my working day.
My windows will be as clean as any hot user( fact) and my speed in other words how quick I can get the pole on the glass to give it a quick scrub will depend on my fitness, age, level of tiredness on the day and so on, not some magic potion or sledge hammer.
Im not saying that hot water wont clean stubborn bird poo, snail trails and so on slightly quicker than cold, what I'm saying is most of us wont be getting enough of them to make or see a difference.
Iv had guys who use PPB who say my windows wont be as clean, guys who use additives that say my windows wont be as clean and the same with hot users, I'm sure it only a matter of time before another fad/faff will come along and the users will say the same.

Top Of the range you say. 

I’ll agree to disagree with you Sean. 

You telling me if you could have the option of flicking a switch and having nice hot water during the day, and a frost free van at night with no hassle you’d say no? It’s the cost that puts people off. Which I very much understand. It put me off for years too.

I bought my water heater about 14 years ago for around £1200, (Truma Aquago) the same model today costs around £3k which is a lot more than your diesel system is worth without the fitting costs, so yes its top of the range.
If it made a difference I would fit it tomorrow as its still like new, its wasting money that puts people off not cost.

[nathankaye]

Incase anybody is interested.
I had to phone heat rod about my thermostat and whilst on the phone I enquired if they did a 2kw 27inch immersion as online nothing was showing. It turns out they do and so I've ordered one myself. It happens to be the last one they have in stocks mind you, but, I'm sure they will re stock. So you have to order overthe phone and these are the details.

2kw 27inch immersion heater £40 plusVAT
HE227A

[Jonny 87]

Jonny I have a top of the range LPG that I originally bought to install in a motorhome ( would equal any diesel heater when it comes to performance ) and I would be still using it now if it made the slightest difference to my working day.
My windows will be as clean as any hot user( fact) and my speed in other words how quick I can get the pole on the glass to give it a quick scrub will depend on my fitness, age, level of tiredness on the day and so on, not some magic potion or sledge hammer.
Im not saying that hot water wont clean stubborn bird poo, snail trails and so on slightly quicker than cold, what I'm saying is most of us wont be getting enough of them to make or see a difference.
Iv had guys who use PPB who say my windows wont be as clean, guys who use additives that say my windows wont be as clean and the same with hot users, I'm sure it only a matter of time before another fad/faff will come along and the users will say the same.

Top Of the range you say. 

I’ll agree to disagree with you Sean. 

You telling me if you could have the option of flicking a switch and having nice hot water during the day, and a frost free van at night with no hassle you’d say no? It’s the cost that puts people off. Which I very much understand. It put me off for years too.

I bought my water heater about 14 years ago for around £1200, (Truma Aquago) the same model today costs around £3k which is a lot more than your diesel system is worth without the fitting costs, so yes its top of the range.
If it made a difference I would fit it tomorrow as its still like new, its wasting money that puts people off not cost.

Woops, looks like I touched a nerve. Sorry Sean. 

They say a fool and his money are easy parted. Some people are so foolish that they part with money and then leave it in a cupboard gathering dust, only to argue on a forum how pointless it is.

 

[Dry Clean]

Jonny I have a top of the range LPG that I originally bought to install in a motorhome ( would equal any diesel heater when it comes to performance ) and I would be still using it now if it made the slightest difference to my working day.
My windows will be as clean as any hot user( fact) and my speed in other words how quick I can get the pole on the glass to give it a quick scrub will depend on my fitness, age, level of tiredness on the day and so on, not some magic potion or sledge hammer.
Im not saying that hot water wont clean stubborn bird poo, snail trails and so on slightly quicker than cold, what I'm saying is most of us wont be getting enough of them to make or see a difference.
Iv had guys who use PPB who say my windows wont be as clean, guys who use additives that say my windows wont be as clean and the same with hot users, I'm sure it only a matter of time before another fad/faff will come along and the users will say the same.

Top Of the range you say. 

I’ll agree to disagree with you Sean. 

You telling me if you could have the option of flicking a switch and having nice hot water during the day, and a frost free van at night with no hassle you’d say no? It’s the cost that puts people off. Which I very much understand. It put me off for years too.

I bought my water heater about 14 years ago for around £1200, (Truma Aquago) the same model today costs around £3k which is a lot more than your diesel system is worth without the fitting costs, so yes its top of the range.
If it made a difference I would fit it tomorrow as its still like new, its wasting money that puts people off not cost.

Woops, looks like I touched a nerve. Sorry Sean. 

They say a fool and his money are easy parted. Some people are so foolish that they part with money and then leave it in a cupboard gathering dust, only to argue on a forum how pointless it is.

 

Totally agree about fools about and easily parted money ( there are some very good examples of that on here lol ) but I bought my heater to upgrade the one I had in my motorhome which I then removed when I sold it as it wouldn't have added to the vehicle resale value, in other words I would have been giving it away, now to use something that doesn't make the slightest difference to my working day just because I have it, well that would be truly foolish indeed.
As I have already said people can use all sorts of placebo's to compensate  for a lack of skill, knowledge or confidence in what they are using, ( you just have to look at additives lol ) but if it works for them hot water or other then its can still be money well spent and certainly wouldn't be pointless.

[nathankaye]

I have to learn not to bite lol

But just because one's choose to use Hot water does not mean they lack skill nor knowledge on how to clean windows.  Let's face it, this is why most look down at window cleaners, it's not exactly rocket science to clean windows is it. 

[dazmond]

sean could have an argument in an empty room.....

[Dry Clean]

I have to learn not to bite lol

But just because one's choose to use Hot water does not mean they lack skill nor knowledge on how to clean windows.  Let's face it, this is why most look down at window cleaners, it's not exactly rocket science to clean windows is it.

Some seem to think it is.lol

[KS Cleaning]

Incase anybody is interested.
I had to phone heat rod about my thermostat and whilst on the phone I enquired if they did a 2kw 27inch immersion as online nothing was showing. It turns out they do and so I've ordered one myself. It happens to be the last one they have in stocks mind you, but, I'm sure they will re stock. So you have to order overthe phone and these are the details.

2kw 27inch immersion heater £40 plusVAT
HE227A

So on what you have presently is that an upgrade, downgrade or are you unsure?🤪

[nathankaye]

For my money pinching, tight fisted yorkshire man ways this is an upgrade.
At the mo, I have my immersion on well before midnight where my cheaper tarrif lies.  Less time during day hours heating my water.
I'll let the big fish debate diesel heaters and van rentals during installation down time

[windowswashed]

I own a diesel heater, have used it in the past, very impressive. Don't use it now as it's in my camper van.  Still use warm water now and again so best of both worlds

[Dry Clean]

sean could have an argument in an empty room.....

How many arguments did you have on here telling people that hot didnt make a difference ? more than a few. lol

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

For my money pinching, tight fisted yorkshire man ways this is an upgrade.
At the mo, I have my immersion on well before midnight where my cheaper tarrif lies.  Less time during day hours heating my water.
I'll let the big fish debate diesel heaters and van rentals during installation down time

To achieve a shorter heating time you would be better upgrading your electrics to 16amp and installing a 3Kw element.

[P @ F]

I have looked into this as I am unsure as to refit my lpg  for this winter , I think Nath has a good setup because he doesn’t use the full 500 and is insulated he has a good starting temp at switch on , this is where most others are falling down as they empty the tanks daily and will have a very low start temp.

This is my problem , I have and use close to 350 a day , fitting a bigger tank is not an option as I drive a noddy van !

[Dry Clean]

I have looked into this as I am unsure as to refit my lpg  for this winter , I think Nath has a good setup because he doesn’t use the full 500 and is insulated he has a good starting temp at switch on , this is where most others are falling down as they empty the tanks daily and will have a very low start temp.

This is my problem , I have and use close to 350 a day , fitting a bigger tank is not an option as I drive a noddy van !

Nathans  set up makes no sense, if you want an useful review on immersions then you need to ask somebody like Gold, with a 350ltr tank a 3kw on upgraded electrics should get you a decent daily temp.

If you have a 600ltr half full tank at say 60degrees and add 300ltrs of cold, it will be no different to heating the 300ltrs to 60 degrees on its own, unfortunately Nathans poor understanding of basic science lets him down.