[Clarkey2]

So today at a job on a social club I went to use the toilet and the sink had a small electric water heater, could these be used for wfp using a little generator?

Cheers Rob

[alank]

Just use an immersion cheep less hassle and no need for generator.

[Clarkey2]

Just use an immersion cheep less hassle and no need for generator.

Cheers Alan How hot will the water stay throughout the day if I used an immersion?

[nathankaye]

Just use an immersion cheep less hassle and no need for generator.

Cheers Alan How hot will the water stay throughout the day if I used an immersion?

I use an immersion heater in a 500ltr tank which is also insulated. I don't use anywhere near 500ltrs in a day.  I fill my tank up around 7 or 8pm and in the past I have taken temp readings of my water and posted on here (if look through the history or usethe search button).   If say, I started at 65degrees in the morning before setting off to work, by time I come to top the water up it would be 60 or just below but not as low as 55.    Because for me and how I operate, when I top the tank up with cold, I start with a starting temp of 40 - 43 degrees.
Obviously people have different tank sizes, different length elements and they have installed them at different heights and have different size tanks. Some insulate and others don't etc etc. So what works for one may not work for others, if that is taken in consideration

[Clarkey2]

Just use an immersion cheep less hassle and no need for generator.

Cheers Alan How hot will the water stay throughout the day if I used an immersion?

I use an immersion heater in a 500ltr tank which is also insulated. I don't use anywhere near 500ltrs in a day.  I fill my tank up around 7 or 8pm and in the past I have taken temp readings of my water and posted on here (if look through the history or usethe search button).   If say, I started at 65degrees in the morning before setting off to work, by time I come to top the water up it would be 60 or just below but not as low as 55.    Because for me and how I operate, when I top the tank up with cold, I start with a starting temp of 40 - 43 degrees.
Obviously people have different tank sizes, different length elements and they have installed them at different heights and have different size tanks. Some insulate and others don't etc etc. So what works for one may not work for others, if that is taken in consideration

Thanks Nathan we will be using a 800ltr-1000ltr tank not sure yet as haven't bought it yet, how did you insulate your tank?

Cheers Rob

[alank]

I don't insulate my tank I insulate the back of my pickup and use the tank to keep things frost free and put the immersion on in morning to add extra heat if needed for work  in winter. My tank is 350 ltr so don't know how you would get on if you need a 1000ltr heated you might be better off with diesel heater Dazmond and a few others on here have them am sure they will advise you 

[Clarkey2]

I don't insulate my tank I insulate the back of my pickup and use the tank to keep things frost free and put the immersion on in morning to add extra heat if needed for work  in winter. My tank is 350 ltr so don't know how you would get on if you need a 1000ltr heated you might be better off with diesel heater Dazmond and a few others on here have them am sure they will advise you 

Can't afford a diesel heater at the minute but will definitely look into for next year 

[DeLuce]

When I had the immersion with my 500ltr tank, I used that 1" thick kingspan insulation board. I just cut to size for sides and top of the tank, cut hole for the immersion and outlet areas. I even shoved a piece underneath the base. Worked really well. After a couple of years, I decided to cut a 6" gap down the side to allow some heat to escape into the back of the van for winter.

[nathankaye]

Rigsby insulation sounds great, however for me, I went with the bubble wrap variety /foiled back type and wrapped it around the tank several times. As it's a wydale tank, with the gap in the middle, because the bubble wrap is flexible I was able to insulate the full tank.
However as alank said, your planning an a whole bigger volume of water so perhaps a different approach may be needed, as suggested.

[dazmond]

Just use an immersion cheep less hassle and no need for generator.

Cheers Alan How hot will the water stay throughout the day if I used an immersion?

I use an immersion heater in a 500ltr tank which is also insulated. I don't use anywhere near 500ltrs in a day.  I fill my tank up around 7 or 8pm and in the past I have taken temp readings of my water and posted on here (if look through the history or usethe search button).   If say, I started at 65degrees in the morning before setting off to work, by time I come to top the water up it would be 60 or just below but not as low as 55.    Because for me and how I operate, when I top the tank up with cold, I start with a starting temp of 40 - 43 degrees.
Obviously people have different tank sizes, different length elements and they have installed them at different heights and have different size tanks. Some insulate and others don't etc etc. So what works for one may not work for others, if that is taken in consideration

Thanks Nathan we will be using a 800ltr-1000ltr tank not sure yet as haven't bought it yet, how did you insulate your tank?

Cheers Rob

with such a large tank your better off with a professionally fitted diesel heater like a grippatank hydroheat....just slap it on an interest free credit card...

[Simon Trapani]

For such a large tank I would stay with a cold ststem until you feel the need, or can afford, a proper hot system such as Dazmond’s.

[Dry Clean]

Better still learn to clean with cold, don't be afraid to experiment and go a bit quicker, then when you are happy with your cleaning ability take a step back and write down what really holds you up over the day, maybe you do need it who knows.
Hot will only clean better if you have poor cleaning skills, it will only speed you up if you are getting large amounts of hard to remove crud on the glass, above all get hot because it makes business sense and not because its the latest forum fad, remember most of the hot users on here also used and raved about additives.

[nathankaye]

Better still learn to clean with cold, don't be afraid to experiment and go a bit quicker, then when you are happy with your cleaning ability take a step back and write down what really holds you up over the day, maybe you do need it who knows.
Hot will only clean better if you have poor cleaning skills, it will only speed you up if you are getting large amounts of hard to remove crud on the glass, above all get hot because it makes business sense and not because its the latest forum fad, remember most of the hot users on here also used and raved about additives.

Can't believe I'm agreeing with Sean on this.
Because you are wanting a large tank of water and to use Hot, as everyone else is suggesting, a professional installation of a hot source is more suitable but this does not come cheap! But you do have options as daz as mentioned.
However, I'm one who has never agreed with such likes as vision and won't ever try and do so. I personally can tell a difference between hot and cold cleaning. For instance with hot I know two passes will mostly be enough to have clean windows and with cold it is atleast double that.   Sure not every window has snail trails, bug waste or even egg splatter (unless your coastal) and it every clean will be a first clean.
For me, using an immersion I can justify the costs and the benefits to my company.  If I was using 1000ltr of water and had to spend a large layout cost to have fitted and high running costs to do so, I would certainly evaluate the situation to see if that's a cost I can offset on the business and my turnover.

Do u need 800 - 1000ltr system?  Are you commercial over domestic?

[Jonny 87]

Better still learn to clean with cold, don't be afraid to experiment and go a bit quicker, then when you are happy with your cleaning ability take a step back and write down what really holds you up over the day, maybe you do need it who knows.
Hot will only clean better if you have poor cleaning skills, it will only speed you up if you are getting large amounts of hard to remove crud on the glass, above all get hot because it makes business sense and not because its the latest forum fad, remember most of the hot users on here also used and raved about additives.

Which form of hot water system have you tried over the years Sean?

I’ve tried cold.......LPG, Immersion, and now I’m moving to the diesel. I can tell the difference between cold and hot. Hot is faster, better, and more efficient. To what degree..... that’s up for debate. But surely there is no debate as to wether hot cleans better.

Will I use hot water everyday? Who knows yet, but what I’m looking forward to is the ability to not have to plan and prepare if I need hot water or not. Flick a switch and I’ll have hot water.

And in the grand scheme of things, window cleaning is a very profitable business especially if your full time. It’s not going to break the bank with a diesel system.

[Dry Clean]

Jonny I have a top of the range LPG that I originally bought to install in a motorhome ( would equal any diesel heater when it comes to performance ) and I would be still using it now if it made the slightest difference to my working day.
My windows will be as clean as any hot user( fact) and my speed in other words how quick I can get the pole on the glass to give it a quick scrub will depend on my fitness, age, level of tiredness on the day and so on, not some magic potion or sledge hammer.
Im not saying that hot water wont clean stubborn bird poo, snail trails and so on slightly quicker than cold, what I'm saying is most of us wont be getting enough of them to make or see a difference.
Iv had guys who use PPB who say my windows wont be as clean, guys who use additives that say my windows wont be as clean and the same with hot users, I'm sure it only a matter of time before another fad/faff will come along and the users will say the same.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

Big shame hot water doesn't produce as easy as a hot topic does

[Stoots]

Not sure of  the exact costs of buying and running a diesel system over the year however i would have thought it negated any slight advantage of cleaning a bit quicker on the odd house.

[Dry Clean]

It all depends on why you are actually slower, at the end of the day even with a nuclear powered water heater I could never knock out Nathans numbers but my knowledge of the job means I don't need to blame that fact on the lack of a certain placebo,

[dazmond]

only invest in a diesel hot water system if you ve got a new or nearly new van that your gonna keep for many years.......

[zesty]

I’ve had and tried almost everything, nothing has actually sped me up or enabled me to make more money, hot water being one of them, it does, however, make the hose more flexible and warm water is nicer than cold on the hands! That’s about it.

My electric hose reel has never helped me get home earlier, or earned me more money, it’s just simply easier to work and less tiring on the reeling arm.

The moral of the story is none of these creature comforts ever actually earn you more money, they just make the money you do earn a bit easier to earn.

I’d do the same amount of houses with a bog standard system as I would with my creature comfort system. I know which i prefer though!