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Oliver James

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Ford Transit Plug In Hybrid
« on: August 31, 2018, 08:20:15 am »

zesty

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Re: Ford Transit Plug In Hybrid
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2018, 09:55:40 am »
I’ve been keeping an eye on it, but we won’t know how practical it is until we see real world tests, the main issue for us window cleaners is weight, we’re some of the heaviest users in the van market.

Looking forward to seeing how it goes, but not sure they’ll have a payload of over 1.2 tonnes...


Spruce

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Re: Ford Transit Plug In Hybrid
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2018, 01:50:20 pm »
This news isn't very new; but here it is anyway:

https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans-pickups/news/2017/ford-transit-custom-plug-in-hybrid/


What made me smile is it has " a tiny three-cylinder turbo petrol with an engine block that's so small it fits within the confines of an A4 peice of paper." (Piece spelt incorrectly.)

That sounds fantastic, but it isn't new. The first car I ever owned was a 1959 DKW Auto Union that had a 3 cylinder 1.0 liter 2 stroke engine that was a similar size.
To get it out of the engine bay you put your arms around it, lifted it out and carried it over to the workbench.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Perfect Windows

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Re: Ford Transit Plug In Hybrid
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2018, 08:22:30 pm »
I’ve been keeping an eye on it, but we won’t know how practical it is until we see real world tests, the main issue for us window cleaners is weight, we’re some of the heaviest users in the van market.

Looking forward to seeing how it goes, but not sure they’ll have a payload of over 1.2 tonnes...

Renault have an electric van (Master ZE) with a 1.1 tonne payload.  Only £66,000 inc VAT. I'm thinking of getting one for every day of the week.

Vin

zesty

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Re: Ford Transit Plug In Hybrid
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2018, 08:54:40 pm »
I’ve been keeping an eye on it, but we won’t know how practical it is until we see real world tests, the main issue for us window cleaners is weight, we’re some of the heaviest users in the van market.

Looking forward to seeing how it goes, but not sure they’ll have a payload of over 1.2 tonnes...

Renault have an electric van (Master ZE) with a 1.1 tonne payload.  Only £66,000 inc VAT. I'm thinking of getting one for every day of the week.

Vin

At that price, why not buy two?

Seriously, they are far too expensive, it’s going to be a long while before electric vans are:

A: useable for longer trips

B: cheaper to buy

C: carry the same weight as diesel models

Can’t see all those areas being perfected anytime soon. I’m guessing the new custom will have a 1 tonne payload, but then actually carrying that 1 tonne, the range probably won’t be 30 miles as advertised...

We will see!

֍Winp®oClean֍

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Re: Ford Transit Plug In Hybrid
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2018, 09:49:18 pm »
How much do these things cost to charge? You never seem to see this stated, electricity is expensive and just like any other source of energy- isn't going to go down in price!!
Comfortably Numb!

zesty

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Re: Ford Transit Plug In Hybrid
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2018, 09:08:51 am »
How much do these things cost to charge? You never seem to see this stated, electricity is expensive and just like any other source of energy- isn't going to go down in price!!

True,

Also, the government clearly haven’t thought through the massive surge in electricity demand when ‘everyone goes electric’ by 2040 (or whenever it is they foresee)

Personally I think small turbo charged Petrol engines are the way forward until electric tech improves. Some of these new petrol engines are very clean and run excellent MPG figures.

The challenge is making them work in heavy vehicles.

Diesel is an amazing thing!

Perfect Windows

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Re: Ford Transit Plug In Hybrid
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2018, 10:11:33 am »
They're expected to be good for electricity demand long term, as they use base-load (nuclear) overnight when nothing else uses it. On overnight electricity, fuel costs of around 2p-4p a mile are typical, largely because there's little use for the electricity being produced so it's dirt cheap.  Smart chargers would take that into account by not charging at peak times.

Vin

Perfect Windows

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Re: Ford Transit Plug In Hybrid
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2018, 10:21:34 am »
Seriously, they are far too expensive, it’s going to be a long while before electric vans are:

A: useable for longer trips

B: cheaper to buy

C: carry the same weight as diesel models

Can’t see all those areas being perfected anytime soon. I’m guessing the new custom will have a 1 tonne payload, but then actually carrying that 1 tonne, the range probably won’t be 30 miles as advertised...

We will see!

A. John Goodenough (the inventor of the lithium-ion battery) has created a solid Li-ion battery that a. Charges as fast as you can get electricity into it, b. Holds twice as much charge per volume and weight as current batteries, c. Holds more charge the more times you use it, d. is cheaper than current technology. That'll fix the range, as they'll go further and you'll be able to charge in a similar time to filling up with diesel.

B. EV is still niche. Once real mass-production and R&D into new technologies gets cracking the price will plummet. The tech above will better than halve battery costs, for a start.

C. The weight saving of this technology will ease the weight problem.  There's also a government proposal to increase the 3.5 tonne driving limit to 4.25 tonnes if the vehicle's electric.

I can't wait.  Something that runs for 4p a mile and has an engine with one moving part is right up my street.  "Green" is  also a good selling point for customers.

Vin

֍Winp®oClean֍

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Re: Ford Transit Plug In Hybrid
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2018, 11:13:27 am »
Don't be fooled! The moment these become main stream the cost of running them will be equal to if not more than current methods- simply by tax if nothing else!
There will be very little, if any benefit to anyone financially. Anyone who takes advantage of low running costs now have paid more than the saving for the pleasure. By the time conventional fuel has been outlawed and the purchase price is reasonable, the charging/running costs of these will be taxed to the max!

I also believe that the demand for power will have a knock on effect which will ultimately end up with increased electricity costs accross the board- for everything and us all!!
Comfortably Numb!

zesty

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Re: Ford Transit Plug In Hybrid
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2018, 12:15:21 pm »
Don't be fooled! The moment these become main stream the cost of running them will be equal to if not more than current methods- simply by tax if nothing else!
There will be very little, if any benefit to anyone financially. Anyone who takes advantage of low running costs now have paid more than the saving for the pleasure. By the time conventional fuel has been outlawed and the purchase price is reasonable, the charging/running costs of these will be taxed to the max!

I also believe that the demand for power will have a knock on effect which will ultimately end up with increased electricity costs accross the board- for everything and us all!!

Yes I agree.

As much as I like the idea of them, there is a long long way to go, the range, the charging time (on journeys) and the weight of the batteries is still a very real issue.

The government make more money than we van count from fuel tax, this will inevitably be passed on to electric when the switch over takes place - if it ever does.

I’m very interested in electric vans, but I’m not convinced as of yet.

For little shopping cars - fantastic, but for vans, not convinced yet, we’ll see in due course!