[Marc Stock]

Imo you are not a window cleaner if you dont have the traditional skills to clean inside windows.

Now im not saying those who choose not to clean inside windows as a business decision are any worse than someone who chooses to clean inside windows.

But personally, there is  no real skill needed for wfp operation; its very minimal which is why we now see so many window cleaners.

I do clean inside and outside,. Whatever is required from the customer.

[paul alan]

Imo you are not a window cleaner if you dont have the traditional skills to clean inside windows.

Now im not saying those who choose not to clean inside windows as a business decision are any worse than someone who chooses to clean inside windows.

But personally, there is  no real skill needed for wfp operation; its very minimal which is why we now see so many window cleaners.

I do clean inside and outside,. Whatever is required from the customer.

Whilst I agree it is better to have traditional skills to be a more well rounded window cleaner, I think it is totally wrong to say you dont need much skill to WFP.


I have spent years on both and can say that to become properly proficient in both takes time.

[paul alan]

I do quite a few, in fact I did a large house inside and out today.

I don't mind doing them as I can make doubly sure that they come up perfect!

John

I like doing in and out for the same reason, best not though if your not a good WC. You'll be opening your own can of worms

[dazmond]

We do quite a few insides. I'd be too embarrassed, rolling up in my big shiny van, sign written as a window cleaner to tell them I'm not capable.

All jobs are crap if you don't charge enough.

your company only clean insides because YOU dont have to actually clean them yourself soupy!

i just cant be arsed with inside jobs anymore....

[Stoots]

Imo you are not a window cleaner if you dont have the traditional skills to clean inside windows.

Now im not saying those who choose not to clean inside windows as a business decision are any worse than someone who chooses to clean inside windows.

But personally, there is  no real skill needed for wfp operation; its very minimal which is why we now see so many window cleaners.

I do clean inside and outside,. Whatever is required from the customer.

Having trained a couple of guys to wfp there definately is a skill to it.

To go fast and do a good job takes as much practice as it does to get good at trad work.

People talk like trad is much more difficult, its really not... its easy to do at a moderate pace, as is wfp.

Both are easy to learn, but takes a while to master.

The main reason window cleaning is more attractive is not because learning how to use a wfp is easier it more to do with not risking death on ladders. Online payments, no collecting is a big factor as is the increased money to be made wfp. All the latest gear and fancy items, vans, brushes, poles, hot water etc available today also makes it more appealing to the modern chap than mucky old scrims, vests and buckets.

I personally dont like doing insides due to having to make appointments, i hate being in peoples houses sweating and creeping about. But also it ruins my flow, i dont like to be knocked off stride, i like to bash out houses as fast as possible in a fast efficent manner,,. fannying around in someones house would just kill my flow.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

I hate insides with a passion.  Not because of trad skill either as I am fine with this.  I only do the odd ones to help elderly and disabled customers out.  Other than that I just don't need the hastle of having to remove my boots - having to work around trinkets and brakables the customer forgot to move - the uncomfortable feeling of going into private bedrooms being watched like a hawk - not to mention making me sweat like a pig walking around a house with the heating on full blast after working outside for ages.  Need I go on.... 

[cgh window cleaning]

I'm commercial only insides are a weekly sometimes daily part of the job for me.
If I didn't clean insides I wouldn't  have any business.

[Arnold Palmer]

We do quite a few insides. I'd be too embarrassed, rolling up in my big shiny van, sign written as a window cleaner to tell them I'm not capable.

All jobs are crap if you don't charge enough.

your company only clean insides because YOU dont have to actually clean them yourself soupy!

i just cant be arsed with inside jobs anymore....

You're probably right.

 

[AuRavelling79]

My regular insides jobs are commercial.

I will do a one off insides for others if the price is right and always at a quiet point in my schedule when and if I want to be bothered.

[John Mart]

I certainly wouldn’t do insides myself now. But we do the odd one. It’s now double the outside price. I find it’s just as effective as refusing them generally. Puts most off.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

I certainly wouldn’t do insides myself now. But we do the odd one. It’s now double the outside price. I find it’s just as effective as refusing them generally. Puts most off.

Snap

[DM.]

I only clean Trad.. last of the dying breed i know.. been doing it for 18 years plus, if a customer wants insides doing, i do it.. I am a window cleaner after all.

££

[Stoots]

I only clean Trad.. last of the dying breed i know.. been doing it for 18 years plus, if a customer wants insides doing, i do it.. I am a window cleaner after all.

££

That's the problem..

Not the fact you are trad...you can clean how you like...

Feeling like you must clean them or you are not a window cleaner. What you've said sounds like you are a people pleaser (or customer pleaser) jumping through hoops to make them happy...

Also "I am a window cleaner after all" sounds a bit degrading on yourself. Have more self respect. You are not a window cleaner you are a human being who runs a business and you should run it on your terms.

[Marc Stock]

I only clean Trad.. last of the dying breed i know.. been doing it for 18 years plus, if a customer wants insides doing, i do it.. I am a window cleaner after all.

££

What you've said sounds like you are a people pleaser (or customer pleaser) jumping through hoops to make them happy...

Also "I am a window cleaner after all" sounds a bit degrading on yourself. Have more self respect. You are not a window cleaner you are a human being who runs a business and you should run it on your terms.

I don't agree here Adam. As business owners, its in our interest to keep our customers happy.

And i think he was referring to his choice of trade as being a window cleaner not as something negative; but stating fact that he is a window cleaner and thats what he gets paid to do; thats clean windows.

Just a moment ago a customer came out to me apologetic that he got crud all over the windows just as i was about to clean.

My reply was, "well Adrian it is my job after all; and it what you pay me for" agreed he said, ill get the coffee on.

No need to have a chip on your shoulder guys. (Not targeting Gomo; just a general observation)

[Forum Admin]

That's correct and remember without customers there is no business to run, it's not about being a people pleaser it's keeping your customers happy, we all have different views on how a business should be run.

[Arnold Palmer]

I only clean Trad.. last of the dying breed i know.. been doing it for 18 years plus, if a customer wants insides doing, i do it.. I am a window cleaner after all.

££

That's the problem..

Not the fact you are trad...you can clean how you like...

Feeling like you must clean them or you are not a window cleaner. What you've said sounds like you are a people pleaser (or customer pleaser) jumping through hoops to make them happy...

Also "I am a window cleaner after all" sounds a bit degrading on yourself. Have more self respect. You are not a window cleaner you are a human being who runs a business and you should run it on your terms.

You call out a plumber to fix your heating, which he does.  When he's finished:

"Here pal, can you sort that dripping tap"
"Sorry I don't do taps"

You have a sparkie out to fit an outdoor security light, which he does. When he's finished:

"Here pal, can you look at my living room light fitting for me"
"Sorry, I don't do inside lights"

Do you not see how either of those might confuse and annoy you, as a customer?

[John Mart]

I only clean Trad.. last of the dying breed i know.. been doing it for 18 years plus, if a customer wants insides doing, i do it.. I am a window cleaner after all.

££

That's the problem..

Not the fact you are trad...you can clean how you like...

Feeling like you must clean them or you are not a window cleaner. What you've said sounds like you are a people pleaser (or customer pleaser) jumping through hoops to make them happy...

Also "I am a window cleaner after all" sounds a bit degrading on yourself. Have more self respect. You are not a window cleaner you are a human being who runs a business and you should run it on your terms.

You call out a plumber to fix your heating, which he does.  When he's finished:

"Here pal, can you sort that dripping tap"
"Sorry I don't do taps"

You have a sparkie out to fit an outdoor security light, which he does. When he's finished:

"Here pal, can you look at my living room light fitting for me"
"Sorry, I don't do inside lights"

Do you not see how either of those might confuse and annoy you, as a customer?

Lots of plumbers only service boilers. The one we use won't touch taps or bogs. In fact generally those with plenty of work will specialise in what they prefer doing or makes the most money.

[Arnold Palmer]

I only clean Trad.. last of the dying breed i know.. been doing it for 18 years plus, if a customer wants insides doing, i do it.. I am a window cleaner after all.

££

That's the problem..

Not the fact you are trad...you can clean how you like...

Feeling like you must clean them or you are not a window cleaner. What you've said sounds like you are a people pleaser (or customer pleaser) jumping through hoops to make them happy...

Also "I am a window cleaner after all" sounds a bit degrading on yourself. Have more self respect. You are not a window cleaner you are a human being who runs a business and you should run it on your terms.

You call out a plumber to fix your heating, which he does.  When he's finished:

"Here pal, can you sort that dripping tap"
"Sorry I don't do taps"

You have a sparkie out to fit an outdoor security light, which he does. When he's finished:

"Here pal, can you look at my living room light fitting for me"
"Sorry, I don't do inside lights"

Do you not see how either of those might confuse and annoy you, as a customer?

Lots of plumbers only service boilers. The one we use won't touch taps or bogs. In fact generally those with plenty of work will specialise in what they prefer doing or makes the most money.

OK bad example. Heating engineers they call themselves.

Replace 'fix heating' with 'fit outside tap' and we're there.

[Arnold Palmer]

I only clean Trad.. last of the dying breed i know.. been doing it for 18 years plus, if a customer wants insides doing, i do it.. I am a window cleaner after all.

££

That's the problem..

Not the fact you are trad...you can clean how you like...

Feeling like you must clean them or you are not a window cleaner. What you've said sounds like you are a people pleaser (or customer pleaser) jumping through hoops to make them happy...

Also "I am a window cleaner after all" sounds a bit degrading on yourself. Have more self respect. You are not a window cleaner you are a human being who runs a business and you should run it on your terms.

You call out a plumber to fix your heating, which he does.  When he's finished:

"Here pal, can you sort that dripping tap"
"Sorry I don't do taps"

You have a sparkie out to fit an outdoor security light, which he does. When he's finished:

"Here pal, can you look at my living room light fitting for me"
"Sorry, I don't do inside lights"

Do you not see how either of those might confuse and annoy you, as a customer?

Lots of plumbers only service boilers. The one we use won't touch taps or bogs. In fact generally those with plenty of work will specialise in what they prefer doing or makes the most money.

Cleaning outside windows isn't a "speciality".

[John Mart]

I only clean Trad.. last of the dying breed i know.. been doing it for 18 years plus, if a customer wants insides doing, i do it.. I am a window cleaner after all.

££

That's the problem..

Not the fact you are trad...you can clean how you like...

Feeling like you must clean them or you are not a window cleaner. What you've said sounds like you are a people pleaser (or customer pleaser) jumping through hoops to make them happy...

Also "I am a window cleaner after all" sounds a bit degrading on yourself. Have more self respect. You are not a window cleaner you are a human being who runs a business and you should run it on your terms.

You call out a plumber to fix your heating, which he does.  When he's finished:

"Here pal, can you sort that dripping tap"
"Sorry I don't do taps"

You have a sparkie out to fit an outdoor security light, which he does. When he's finished:

"Here pal, can you look at my living room light fitting for me"
"Sorry, I don't do inside lights"

Do you not see how either of those might confuse and annoy you, as a customer?

Lots of plumbers only service boilers. The one we use won't touch taps or bogs. In fact generally those with plenty of work will specialise in what they prefer doing or makes the most money.

Cleaning outside windows isn't a "speciality".

However it's efficient. Insides take longer, break your daily rhythm and aren't financially worthwhile if you do them at a price that's acceptable to customers.