[paul alan]

it wont work out.............you cant even spell "plan"......... ......only joking paul....good luck for trying......i wouldnt want an employee to ruin my hard earned reputation so i choose to stay on my own.....

Well spotted, modified. cheers

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

You’ll be paying him £40 per hour   

£8 basic with £4 bonus.

He'll be making £40 ph, easy.

Sorry I misunderstood, sounds like a good deal for him.

It does, doesn't it- he'll be making "easily" £40 ph but only recieving between 8 and 12 of that for a job that must be the most simple and cheapest to set up that you could get!!🤣👍wish I was in his shoes!!

Not everyone wants to set-up, some people just want to earn some money and go home without spending a penny or thinking twice. Just look how many people are employed.

In our area £12 ph is good money.

I love all the neigh Sayers….glass is only ever half full and all that.....funny!

I like the "do'ers" not the "talkers".  This place is full of talkers.....wish I had a pound for every "I'm going to expand my business, make loads of easy money and get off the tools" post I've read on here over the past decade or so..... I could retire!🤣🤣

[dazmond]

You’ll be paying him £40 per hour   

£8 basic with £4 bonus.

He'll be making £40 ph, easy.

Sorry I misunderstood, sounds like a good deal for him.

It does, doesn't it- he'll be making "easily" £40 ph but only recieving between 8 and 12 of that for a job that must be the most simple and cheapest to set up that you could get!!🤣👍wish I was in his shoes!!

Not everyone wants to set-up, some people just want to earn some money and go home without spending a penny or thinking twice. Just look how many people are employed.

In our area £12 ph is good money.

I love all the neigh Sayers….glass is only ever half full and all that.....funny!

some of us have been there and done it mate.....ive had around 80 lads working for me in the past(not all at the same time i might add!)most didnt last more than a few days/weeks......and the good ones all  left after a while and either set up on their own or got a "proper job".......i hated it TBH.........

[Stoots]

You’ll be paying him £40 per hour   

£8 basic with £4 bonus.

He'll be making £40 ph, easy.

Sorry I misunderstood, sounds like a good deal for him.

It does, doesn't it- he'll be making "easily" £40 ph but only recieving between 8 and 12 of that for a job that must be the most simple and cheapest to set up that you could get!!🤣👍wish I was in his shoes!!

Not everyone wants to set-up, some people just want to earn some money and go home without spending a penny or thinking twice. Just look how many people are employed.

In our area £12 ph is good money.

I love all the neigh Sayers….glass is only ever half full and all that.....funny!

some of us have been there and done it mate.....ive had around 80 lads working for me in the past(not all at the same time i might add!)most didnt last more than a few days/weeks......and the good ones all  left after a while and either set up on their own or got a "proper job".......i hated it TBH.........

It took you 80 lads to figure out it probably wasnt going to work!

haha thats funny mate 

[Smudger]

Not much ambition then - perhaps he’ll be happy just pottering around cleaning 4 or 5 houses a day 🤔

Hard graft come with the job - wfp is no where near as bad as the trad days - everyone has there own perceptions and ways of working none of them are wrong if it suits you

2 man work is an art to get the best efficiency- it takes a really good co ordinated team to make it worth while

Darran

[dazmond]

FROM MY EXPERIENCE

employees NEVER clean to your standard no matter how many times your show them....

they will lie,cheat and steal if they can get away with it....

theyll let you down when you most need them......

[dazmond]

You’ll be paying him £40 per hour   

£8 basic with £4 bonus.

He'll be making £40 ph, easy.

Sorry I misunderstood, sounds like a good deal for him.

It does, doesn't it- he'll be making "easily" £40 ph but only recieving between 8 and 12 of that for a job that must be the most simple and cheapest to set up that you could get!!🤣👍wish I was in his shoes!!

Not everyone wants to set-up, some people just want to earn some money and go home without spending a penny or thinking twice. Just look how many people are employed.

In our area £12 ph is good money.

I love all the neigh Sayers….glass is only ever half full and all that.....funny!

some of us have been there and done it mate.....ive had around 80 lads working for me in the past(not all at the same time i might add!)most didnt last more than a few days/weeks......and the good ones all  left after a while and either set up on their own or got a "proper job".......i hated it TBH.........

It took you 80 lads to figure out it probably wasnt going to work!

haha thats funny mate 

over a period of 10 years that adam! back in my trad days!yep had 2 chaps who went round my customers telling them theyd bought the round off me!!

ive never employed since!!

[Smudger]

FROM MY EXPERIENCE

employees NEVER clean to your standard no matter how many times your show them....

they will lie,cheat and steal if they can get away with it....

theyll let you down when you most need them......

You mix with the wrong sort Daz 😂

[dazmond]

FROM MY EXPERIENCE

employees NEVER clean to your standard no matter how many times your show them....

they will lie,cheat and steal if they can get away with it....

theyll let you down when you most need them......

You mix with the wrong sort Daz 😂

ever been to salford,manchester smudger?its lovely round here!

[Smudger]

No mate I value my life to much 😂

I’m a posh Hertfordshire chap who moved out to the wilds of Norfolk - we just have the locals with six fingers and toes 😳

I’m in Coventry tomorrow- that’s wild enough for me 👍

Darran

[Marc Stock]

I think your plan will work. You are correct in the view that your business is not ready for franchising.  I have spoken about this before and so many people do Franchise out their business when its clearly not making enough money for even them yet; but they do it anyway because tbh they are lazy.

One business that will be ready to franchise in the next 5 years will be Lee Pryors. Once he opens up a 2nd unit and repeats what he has done with his current unit of £1Million turnover he will have demonstrated a system that truly does work and can bring in millions of pounds a year. He wont be selling his franchises for a piddly 15k a year; id imagine that he would be able to sell a Pryors franchise for £500k. That's a propper franchise with propper funding and will only attract people with propper money

Now back to your plan. Dont over think it. Just do it. As lee said its easy; just put it into action.

I am fast approaching my target of £60k and its because i decided to do it.  Lee has achieved what he has by simply doing it. All the time you waste thinking about weather to do it; or talking about doing it; or even spending time on here...its wasted unless you actually put it into action.

Gomo; Lee; Odd Bods; they are all doing it; putting it into action.

Now you go and do it.



 

[dazmond]

im already there...ive fulfilled my ambitions in window cleaning terms..i just wanted full time earnings for part time hours and ive achieved that.i also wanted a new van and a decent professional hot water set up and equipment and i have that.....

the great thing about having very little ambition is you become happier and more content in your day to day life once you ve reached a certain level of income....thats what ive found anyway.....

[windowswashed]

Good luck with your business plan, hope it works out for you. I'm with dazmond, just keep replacing poorest work with better work allowing more flexibilty as mortgage paid off, no loans and enjoy working less hours without the hassles of employing.  Nobody wants to put in hard graft for peanuts. Find an employee who needs the money and have a decent incentive to work hard for a decent wage to retain them regardless of weather

[Dry Clean]

I think your plan will work. You are correct in the view that your business is not ready for franchising.  I have spoken about this before and so many people do Franchise out their business when its clearly not making enough money for even them yet; but they do it anyway because tbh they are lazy.

One business that will be ready to franchise in the next 5 years will be Lee Pryors. Once he opens up a 2nd unit and repeats what he has done with his current unit of £1Million turnover he will have demonstrated a system that truly does work and can bring in millions of pounds a year. He wont be selling his franchises for a piddly 15k a year; id imagine that he would be able to sell a Pryors franchise for £500k. That's a propper franchise with propper funding and will only attract people with propper money

Now back to your plan. Dont over think it. Just do it. As lee said its easy; just put it into action.

I am fast approaching my target of £60k and its because i decided to do it.  Lee has achieved what he has by simply doing it. All the time you waste thinking about weather to do it; or talking about doing it; or even spending time on here...its wasted unless you actually put it into action.

Gomo; Lee; Odd Bods; they are all doing it; putting it into action.

Now you go and do it.

Marc have you ever number crunched Lees business plan ? even with his £675.000 turnover he would be lucky to be left with 10% profit,
He makes £67.500k per man.
20% vat £13k
£35k wages and employee costs.
Van, equipment, offices, office staff, lockup and so on would easy add on another £10k per man.
That leaves around £9.5k per man.

Theres a reason why real business people such as Richard Branson, Alan Sugar and so on have never went into nationwide window cleaning.

[G Griffin]

Theres a reason why real business people such as Richard Branson, Alan Sugar and so on have never went into nationwide window cleaning.

Is it something to do with beards?

[Lee Pryor]

Ah your both wrong

Dry cleans point of expenses is a fair comment but the figures are off.  Our turnover is heading towards £800k for the end of the year. not a million and not 650.

VAT is never actually 20% due to claim backs. Mine is usually 14% in terms of what we hand over.

I dont pay my cleaners £35K more like 25-30

and so on and so on.

At the end of the day I wouldnt be doing what I am doing unless it was worth it. I have no plans to franchise. Maybe one day if I have enough of things

Once we reach our target size and I stop spending everything we make we will be left with a gross profit (that means before corporation tax) of 30%

[Lee Pryor]

I nearly wrote on this post when it started to point out the mountain of negative things that Paul is about to learn the hard way but thought better of it as I didnt want to p,,s on his fire.

I am giving serious thought to not opening another base just because of staff issues and the stress it causes just for me to earn more money and perhaps be less happy.  I like the idea of the huge business and the money but I would have to go through 40-50 people to end up with a good 10 of keepers and Im not sure I want to do it all again.

I will say this though. It is possible but the best comments on this thread are the ones about just getting on with it. I too see lots of talk of these things here then not much action then the list of reasons why not. Instead just go for it. This is exactly the problem for me regarding the second base. Being that self motivated and driven day after day after day is very hard to sustain, even when things go your way. There comes a point where you have to think about your health.

Paul if you really want to take someone on then dont do the half measure your plan talks about. Train someone up for just a few weeks then stick them out in their own van full time, take the financial hit yourself and get out every single night on the doorsteps until you build yourself round 2 out in your own van then repeat the process. Thats exactly what I did up to the point where I had 4 vans out full time and myself in the office off the tools.

[Walter Mitty]

I nearly wrote on this post when it started to point out the mountain of negative things that Paul is about to learn the hard way but thought better of it as I didnt want to p,,s on his fire.

I am giving serious thought to not opening another base just because of staff issues and the stress it causes just for me to earn more money and perhaps be less happy.  I like the idea of the huge business and the money but I would have to go through 40-50 people to end up with a good 10 of keepers and Im not sure I want to do it all again.

I will say this though. It is possible but the best comments on this thread are the ones about just getting on with it. I too see lots of talk of these things here then not much action then the list of reasons why not. Instead just go for it. This is exactly the problem for me regarding the second base. Being that self motivated and driven day after day after day is very hard to sustain, even when things go your way. There comes a point where you have to think about your health.

Paul if you really want to take someone on then dont do the half measure your plan talks about. Train someone up for just a few weeks then stick them out in their own van full time, take the financial hit yourself and get out every single night on the doorsteps until you build yourself round 2 out in your own van then repeat the process. Thats exactly what I did up to the point where I had 4 vans out full time and myself in the office off the tools.

Is it possible that location might be an issue for a second base?  It would be harder to personally supervise its start-up without moving there (in view of the areas you currently cover, I'm assuming somewhere either to the north of London or way out west where there might be a bit less money around)?  Of course, moving there for a while might be fine as your current base is now run by staff.

[John Mart]

Not much ambition then - perhaps he’ll be happy just pottering around cleaning 4 or 5 houses a day 🤔

Hard graft come with the job - wfp is no where near as bad as the trad days - everyone has there own perceptions and ways of working none of them are wrong if it suits you

2 man work is an art to get the best efficiency- it takes a really good co ordinated team to make it worth while

Darran

It take a leader basically. Someone to issue instructions  every time the van stops. I don’t reckon two “mates” could do it.

[johnwillan]

I nearly wrote on this post when it started to point out the mountain of negative things that Paul is about to learn the hard way but thought better of it as I didnt want to p,,s on his fire.

I am giving serious thought to not opening another base just because of staff issues and the stress it causes just for me to earn more money and perhaps be less happy.  I like the idea of the huge business and the money but I would have to go through 40-50 people to end up with a good 10 of keepers and Im not sure I want to do it all again.

I will say this though. It is possible but the best comments on this thread are the ones about just getting on with it. I too see lots of talk of these things here then not much action then the list of reasons why not. Instead just go for it. This is exactly the problem for me regarding the second base. Being that self motivated and driven day after day after day is very hard to sustain, even when things go your way. There comes a point where you have to think about your health.

Paul if you really want to take someone on then dont do the half measure your plan talks about. Train someone up for just a few weeks then stick them out in their own van full time, take the financial hit yourself and get out every single night on the doorsteps until you build yourself round 2 out in your own van then repeat the process. Thats exactly what I did up to the point where I had 4 vans out full time and myself in the office off the tools.

Yet another very honest and open post.