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jonny thompson

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TDS readings
« on: June 28, 2018, 09:39:32 pm »
What are people’s TDS readings afterwater going through  filters and ro but before resin

P @ F

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Re: TDS readings
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2018, 10:11:33 pm »
001  ;D
I'm so lazy I'm getting tired of it !

Go

Re: TDS readings
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2018, 10:18:07 pm »
045

Probably the worst.

It’s 580 before RO

That’s running at 1:1 though

P @ F

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Re: TDS readings
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2018, 10:27:29 pm »
Just checked my tap TDS and its 185 , that has doubled in 2 weeks , its usually never more than 100  :o :o
Going to check RO output now  :-\ :-\
I'm so lazy I'm getting tired of it !

Spruce

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Re: TDS readings
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2018, 10:29:24 pm »
What are people’s TDS readings afterwater going through  filters and ro but before resin

98% rejection rate = 2 - 3ppm depending on tap tds.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

P @ F

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Re: TDS readings
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2018, 10:43:33 pm »
My RO output has jumped up to 004  :'( :'(
 
I'm so lazy I'm getting tired of it !

jonny thompson

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Re: TDS readings
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2018, 10:44:10 pm »
Go , how often do you change your resin as it’s 45 before,I’m having problems at the moment with the water pressure being slow, if I have my waste water coming out any more than a trickle it causes the water to trickle through the resin so slowly it’s coming out after the resin at 3

jonny thompson

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Re: TDS readings
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2018, 10:45:42 pm »
Do you need decent water pressure going through the resin to make it come out at 00

P @ F

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Re: TDS readings
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2018, 10:53:55 pm »
No , the slower it goes through the resin the better , but if the resin is duff or spent then its game over anyway

I have just checked what my RO resin is doing and im still getting 000 into the holding tank , but i do have another 10" DI in the van for a final polish and filter so its pretty hard to catch me out Mr TDS  ;D
I'm so lazy I'm getting tired of it !

Go

Re: TDS readings
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2018, 05:14:08 am »
Go , how often do you change your resin as it’s 45 before,I’m having problems at the moment with the water pressure being slow, if I have my waste water coming out any more than a trickle it causes the water to trickle through the resin so slowly it’s coming out after the resin at 3
It depends what work we’re doing. Sometimes I change it every 2 days, sometimes 2 weeks.

You’d be surprised how high you can let TDS go, if you know the windows and rinse well.

Make sure your waste is at least equal to your pure, if not slightly more. DI likes a slow trickle with low pressure.

Spruce

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Re: TDS readings
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2018, 06:54:14 am »
Go , how often do you change your resin as it’s 45 before,I’m having problems at the moment with the water pressure being slow, if I have my waste water coming out any more than a trickle it causes the water to trickle through the resin so slowly it’s coming out after the resin at 3

Presume that should be low rather than slow.

If this is so then the only way to correct that is by using a booster pump.

But as P&F says, no matter how slowly the water passes through the resin the result should be 0 ppm. When that changes the resin is finished.

With low water pressure your membranes will not be working efficiently. This means that the pure coming out of the membrane will have a higher ppm than it should. The higher the output tds the more resin you will use to 'polish' the pure water off to zero.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

jonny thompson

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Re: TDS readings
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2018, 06:58:14 am »
What I’m finding is if I have the waste coming out slightly higher then the TDS readings are higher going into the resin, why’s this

Spruce

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Re: TDS readings
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2018, 07:56:59 am »
What I’m finding is if I have the waste coming out slightly higher then the TDS readings are higher going into the resin, why’s this

What we all have to do is balance our waste output so we get the r/o working as efficiently as possible. This is very much input pressure related.

On the old 450gpd r/o we had we had a preset waste restrictor which was a 3 waste to 1 pure ratio. We couldn't change that. Our water pressure back then was 40psi and our tap water tds was 250ppm. With no booster pump the tds of the pure from the r/o membranes was 4ppm.

With our current 4040 the water pressure is up slightly and our tap water tds has dropped to between 99 and 147. Its 123 atm. My r/o is set to a 50/50 waste to pure and the output tds from the membrane will fluctuate between 2 and 3.
A 7 liter di vessel needs a resin change about every 12 months. It could go a little longer as the tds seems to stay at 1 after di for a long time. (I pushed it a little before I did the last resin change and it still sat a 1ppm for a further 6 weeks before I changed the resin. Interestingly I think my inline tds meter is slightly 'stricter' than my handheld one as the water in the van's tank continued to read zero during this time. The hand held tds meter was calibrated a while back when the batteries were changed.)

If I restrict the waste further to say 40 waste to 60 pure then the tds of the pure goes up. Doing this means I save water but my membrane won't last as long and my resin costs will be slightly more.
I can change the pure to waste ratio the other way. I know that if I choose to set the ratio at 60 waste to 40 pure I get the same result when the ratio is 50 waste to 50 pure (1 to 1), but I use more water. If I increase the waste ratio to about 65 waste to 35 pure, the tds of my pure increases as the pressure on the membranes reduces, and I will be using a lot more water.

So for me, my 4040's sweet spot (maximum membrane efficiency and less water usage) is 50/50.  I also have 13lpm of water available to my r/o. If that flow was restricted but with the same water pressure, then I might see my pure tds output increase even at a 60/40 ratio. (ATM we have sufficient water flow available to sustain our water pressure over a wider spectrum. At current settings we produce 2lpm of pure and 2lpm of waste. We are using 4 lpm of the available 13lpm from the tap.)

This could all change in the next year with a new housing estate being build on the side of ours with 150 new houses. The only silver lining is that all these houses will have water meters and people with water meters seem to be more frugal with their water usage.

So finding your r/o sweet spot is all about water pressure and how much water (flow from the tap) you have. This applies to all r/o's to one degree or another.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

jonny thompson

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Re: TDS readings
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2018, 08:38:33 am »
Spruce am I right in thinking if you turn your valve off completely so theirs no waste then no water is going through the ro and just the resin and filters are getting the TDS down to 00

Spruce

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Re: TDS readings New
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2018, 09:41:10 pm »
Spruce am I right in thinking if you turn your valve off completely so theirs no waste then no water is going through the ro and just the resin and filters are getting the TDS down to 00

If you turn your waste off completely then the only water going through your membranes will exit the pure outlet. But the water will be of poor quality and you will irreversibly damage your membranes.

So never, never, completely close the waste tap.

Take a reading of your tap water and then take a reading of your waste when your r/o is running. You will find that the waste has a higher tds than the tap water. This is because the dissolved solids the membrane is removing are immediately being flushed away in the waste.  If you close the waste tap, the dissolved minerals the membrane removes have nowhere to go.

Your prefilters do nothing to remove any dissolved solids from your tap water.  They are there to protect your membranes. The sediment filter removes sediment (self explanatory) and the carbon block filter removes chlorine. Chlorine destroys membranes.

No matter what your tds is resin will remove it. But the higher the tds the shorter the life of the resin as the resin has to work harder.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)