[paul alan]

What do you reckon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJRLOo0CdYY&t=154s

IMO he is called trad man for a reason.

[paul alan]

What do you reckon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJRLOo0CdYY&t=154s

IMO he is called trad man for a reason.

How many minutes to do this bungalow guys?

[jo5hm4n]

I saw that video a few days ago.  I can't knock his Trad skills.  I never masted trad 100% i was "ok" shall we say.

WFP i would say about 10-12 minutes?  Nice high flow though, ideally not using a backpack or a trolley.  Probs a £12-£15er.  Mind you he lives in Scotland in the middle of nowhere.  Prices for window cleaning generally are much cheaper aswell.  I don't know how they cope too be honest, they get the worst weather in winter aswell.  You think the prices would be higher to compensate for winter.  Like how it is in Canada and USA.  There prices are much much higher, but every year they have to take winter off due to freezing temps so it's compensated for.

[jo5hm4n]

What do you reckon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJRLOo0CdYY&t=154s

IMO he is called trad man for a reason.

How many minutes to do this bungalow guys?

Forgot to message you back the other day like an absolute donut.  Will message you later.  hope your having a good weekend, not working too hard!!! 

[paul alan]

What do you reckon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJRLOo0CdYY&t=154s

IMO he is called trad man for a reason.

How many minutes to do this bungalow guys?

Forgot to message you back the other day like an absolute donut.  Will message you later.  hope your having a good weekend, not working too hard!!! 

No worries mate!

I had a long day yesterday and off now till Tuesday .

[nathankaye]

Hes obviously more of a trad guy, hence the name and this is evident whenever he uses the wfp system.
He also mentioned its a regular cleaning job so on wfp it should be around ten minutes or shorter.

I think a fair trial would be someone who is confident on both and perhaps using a house as more of a comparison. Using ladders, putting them up n down, dodging washing lines and going up n down them as well as cleaning the windows would increase bis time dramatically

[andyM]

When I saw he was wearing a skirt I found it hard to take him seriously.

[paul alan]

When I saw he was wearing a skirt I found it hard to take him seriously.

I know, it puts a new element to danger when using ladders.

[paul alan]

Hes obviously more of a trad guy, hence the name and this is evident whenever he uses the wfp system.
He also mentioned its a regular cleaning job so on wfp it should be around ten minutes or shorter.

I think a fair trial would be someone who is confident on both and perhaps using a house as more of a comparison. Using ladders, putting them up n down, dodging washing lines and going up n down them as well as cleaning the windows would increase bis time dramatically

Couldn't agree more!

I think he's trying to show that there isn't much difference between trad and pole but I would say that there is.

If that bungalow was a monthly maintenance clean then I reckon it could be done in 8-10 minutes conservatively, less even.

He said that if you're doing it in less time then you're either a) rushing because you're prices are under or b) you're not doing a good enough job!

He look's like a newbie with the pole and the actual pole and brush look like amateur equipment too.

[Shrek]

He spends far too long on 1 window with his wfp , 16 mins for a bungalow  That’s a long time . Mind you , when I put my flow up from 55 to 70 - it made a massive difference in speed. When I used to have a trolley, I had it on 15!!

[paul alan]

He spends far too long on 1 window with his wfp , 16 mins for a bungalow  That’s a long time . Mind you , when I put my flow up from 55 to 70 - it made a massive difference in speed. When I used to have a trolley, I had it on 15!!

Thats why I dont think he's too well versed with the pole, and imagine how much he would have to charge someone to spend 16 miinutes cleaning they're bungalow to make it viable.

[Windy Miller]

His username is trad man so obviously he's more or less all trad work meaning he will be more comfortable and faster using that method. If he was to wfp only until competent with it there would be no comparison in my opinion.

Also he's using a 40 foot pole for bungalow work, if he had a more manageable weight of pole for bungalow work he could cut a lot of time off that house as well.
 
If he had of filmed himself on a two storey that's where the difference between faffing around with ladders and the simplicity of the wfp would have been more obvious.

[Arnold Palmer]

He's perfectly well versed in WFP.

[Stoots]

Can tell from the video his wfp technique is very noob like.

I guarantee I could clean that house twice with wfp by the time he does it trad.

Seems to me he's just trying to make trad look faster than it is to feed his "trad man" moniker.


If he had any sense he'd ditch trad and work faster and easier with the wfp.

Everyone knows wfp is faster, and whilst a bungalow might be a bit closer when you bring ladders into the equation it destroys it.

Trad for the sake of trad that's all he is doing.

[Arnold Palmer]

Can tell from the video his wfp technique is very noob like.

Nope.

[nathankaye]

Hes supposedly has seven yrs experience with wfp and has worked with a big wfp company.

However, the downside on the video is that hes pretending to clean it as if it was a dirty bungalow and he only makes that clear half way through the vid, before he does the trad work. You can clearly see he spends ages on the frames, ages on the glass and then for good measure rinses yet again off the glass. Even though the window footage shows that he has good flow and the windows are not hydrophobic.   The discrepancy comes when its just a light wipe over the frames with a microfibre cloth before he trad cleans the window.  Which we all should know who have done trad work,  its not that easy and sometimes you have to mop n blade a window twice.
Therefore he should have stuck to doing the comparison as a maintenance clean because thats what the window warranted,  not a hyper theoretical  situation which subconsciously can be swung one way or the other.

Haha it makes me want to do a vid based on a standard house now 😂

[Stoots]

Can tell from the video his wfp technique is very noob like.

Nope.

No no sorry, I want asking if you agree. I was stating what I saw.

First of all he cleans already clean top frames with vents, which was unessacary he then return to clean over the same vent he started with, spens too long scrubbing the frames and the glass then too much rinsing.

He was over cleaning, which imo is a noob trait. I'm sure we all did it to start with but over time with experience most of us will realise a lot of that was just wasting time.

[Arnold Palmer]

Can tell from the video his wfp technique is very noob like.

Nope.

No no sorry, I want asking if you agree. I was stating what I saw.

First of all he cleans already clean top frames with vents, which was unessacary he then return to clean over the same vent he started with, spens too long scrubbing the frames and the glass then too much rinsing.

He was over cleaning, which imo is a noob trait. I'm sure we all did it to start with but over time with experience most of us will realise a lot of that was just wasting time.

I'm stating, categorically, with 100% certainty, that he is in no way a noob. He's as experienced as any of you.

[dazmond]

a few mins here and there add up though.if you saved say 8 mins an hour over 6 hours thats nearly an hour saved(for finishing earlier or squeezing more work into the same time).......for maintenance clean work (which is most of the work we clean for the majority of the time)then i think the gap would be more like 5 mins on bungalows....

the bigger the jobs the bigger the time saving...some jobs i clean in less than half the time they used to take on ladders.....one of my jobs used to take me 2 hours trad.....it takes me 40 mins now WFP  for £60....many more examples too.....

also most of us have a van mount which is easier and quicker than using  a backpack.....high flow is another factor.....


enjoy the bank holiday chaps.....im off to work now....

[Stoots]

Can tell from the video his wfp technique is very noob like.

Nope.

No no sorry, I want asking if you agree. I was stating what I saw.

First of all he cleans already clean top frames with vents, which was unessacary he then return to clean over the same vent he started with, spens too long scrubbing the frames and the glass then too much rinsing.

He was over cleaning, which imo is a noob trait. I'm sure we all did it to start with but over time with experience most of us will realise a lot of that was just wasting time.

I'm stating, categorically, with 100% certainty, that he is in no way a noob. He's as experienced as any of you.

I didn't say he was a noob, I said his technique with the wfp was very noob like
and i explained why above.

He was overcleaning which imo is a trait of an inexperienced wfp user. If indeed he has lots of experience then he needs to stop fannying around with trad and learn how to utilise the wfp better as if he can clean almost as quick trad then he is doing something wrong with the wfp.