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Bungle

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Firemen
« on: April 03, 2018, 11:38:23 pm »
Seems to be loads doing window cleaning on the side. Not sure I'm comfortable with it to be honest.
We look at them, they look through them.

Marc Stock

Re: Firemen
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2018, 11:42:37 pm »
Firemen are part time anyway arent they?

I think they have always done a bit of window cleaning on the side.

Stoots

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2018, 11:43:49 pm »
Seen a few, spoke to a few .

I don't like it either, cash in hand mob.

There's enough work to go about but still degrades window cleaning.

Bungle

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2018, 11:48:16 pm »
Seen a few, spoke to a few .

I don't like it either, cash in hand mob.

There's enough work to go about but still degrades window cleaning.

Good point! Degrades our profession. Some even have signed up vans. Do they turn up to the fire station in them to do their shift? Sorry but it  grinds my gears.
We look at them, they look through them.

robert mitchell

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2018, 12:01:08 am »
Hang them!
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tony day

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2018, 12:29:54 am »
Seems to be loads doing window cleaning on the side. Not sure I'm comfortable with it to be honest.
Tough sh#t Sherlock!!!

Dry Clean

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2018, 07:15:35 am »
Seen a few, spoke to a few .

I don't like it either, cash in hand mob.

There's enough work to go about but still degrades window cleaning.

Good point! Degrades our profession. Some even have signed up vans. Do they turn up to the fire station in them to do their shift? Sorry but it  grinds my gears.

I would say guys buying used poles at new prices, additives, £5k hot systems, PPB systems, Constructor Brushes and so on
degrade our profession a lot more than somebody using his/her spare time to make a few extra quid. lol

Spruce

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2018, 08:19:27 am »
Seen a few, spoke to a few .

I don't like it either, cash in hand mob.

There's enough work to go about but still degrades window cleaning.

Good point! Degrades our profession. Some even have signed up vans. Do they turn up to the fire station in them to do their shift? Sorry but it  grinds my gears.

We have 'on call' firemen in our area. They all have other jobs. When the call goes out to say 10 firemen, the first 6 or so get onto the engine and they get paid for their attendance. Another couple may arrive late and they get nothing.

They all arrive in whatever vehicle they are using at the time. One of them uses a Landrover sign written with all his joinery details on the side.

No one can be judged whether they pay tax or not. Unfortunately there are many who do cash in hand jobs and they aren't only window cleaners. But the tax man will have computer algorithims that will identify a part time employed person paying tax who is living above his means. Those algorithims will have all sorts of parameters built in; for example, where he lives, what his mortgage is, his wife's earnings, number of children, interest paid on savings accounts, etc.  The Receiver of Revenue also has a day to day weather report for the local area so they will also have an idea when certain self employed trades would work and when they won't - in other word, how many days in the tax year he would have been likely to have worked. They will also have an idea how much on average each trade will earn on a daily basis using the tax returns of all those in the same trade in that area. (This insight was courtesy of a customer who worked for the Receiver.)

If they see a small discrepency then they probably wouldn't redflag it for investigation, but it will be noted for their future referrance.
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G Griffin

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2018, 09:08:33 am »
I don't like it either.
So every time my house is on fire I don't ring them.
See how they like it  ;).   
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Re: Firemen
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2018, 10:33:39 am »
I don't like it either.
So every time my house is on fire I don't ring them.
See how they like it  ;).

Good point. I trust the indignant idiots on this post will show the same moral fortitude when their house is on fire.

Seriously, who cares if they earn a few bob on the side. They do a ridiculously dangerous job and the wages doesn’t equal the risk.

KS Cleaning

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2018, 12:25:43 pm »
Just another case of the window cleaning snobbery that exists on this forum.....

nathankaye

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2018, 12:26:04 pm »
I don't like it either.
So every time my house is on fire I don't ring them.
See how they like it  ;).


Good job i have a 1000ltr ibc tank full of water with a 170ltr per min pump with a 40mm hose. I can put out my own fire 😂😂😂
As long as they do a good job and dont undercut then i dont have any problems with it.
There are many window cleaners who charge pittance for windows because its beer money or drug money and theres plenty of other shiners who dont claim all their income and dodge tax. So why have a gripe with chaps who sometimes risk their lives to save others.
One of my customers is a fireman and most ofthe time they can be the first responder to nasty situations and have to keep people alive or helpin the best way until the paramedics get there.
Haha, if they turn up in a window cleaning van  bet you dont turn them away in spite
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robert mitchell

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2018, 01:37:06 pm »
I think bungle is just trolling , if he is really that insecure that a part time window cleaner might steal his customers then i feel sorry for him .
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Slacky

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2018, 01:40:44 pm »
Im a window-cleaner but also do a bit of cash in hand work. Its amazing the places you get to see when you say you'll be a fireman for £10 an hour cash.

Cant see the difference.

Shrek

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2018, 02:15:20 pm »
Seen a few, spoke to a few .

I don't like it either, cash in hand mob.

There's enough work to go about but still degrades window cleaning.

Good point! Degrades our profession. Some even have signed up vans. Do they turn up to the fire station in them to do their shift? Sorry but it  grinds my gears.

We have 'on call' firemen in our area. They all have other jobs. When the call goes out to say 10 firemen, the first 6 or so get onto the engine and they get paid for their attendance. Another couple may arrive late and they get nothing.

They all arrive in whatever vehicle they are using at the time. One of them uses a Landrover sign written with all his joinery details on the side.

No one can be judged whether they pay tax or not. Unfortunately there are many who do cash in hand jobs and they aren't only window cleaners. But the tax man will have computer algorithims that will identify a part time employed person paying tax who is living above his means. Those algorithims will have all sorts of parameters built in; for example, where he lives, what his mortgage is, his wife's earnings, number of children, interest paid on savings accounts, etc.  The Receiver of Revenue also has a day to day weather report for the local area so they will also have an idea when certain self employed trades would work and when they won't - in other word, how many days in the tax year he would have been likely to have worked. They will also have an idea how much on average each trade will earn on a daily basis using the tax returns of all those in the same trade in that area. (This insight was courtesy of a customer who worked for the Receiver.)

If they see a small discrepency then they probably wouldn't redflag it for investigation, but it will be noted for their future referrance.

Considering it’s rained most days since July last year , and taking into account window cleaners don’t work in the rain , a lot of peoples wages will be down this year then!!  ;D

JandS

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2018, 02:50:51 pm »
On call firemen are people who are full time employed in another profession and part time firemen.
Some are able to be on call during the day due to their jobs but the majority are on call only at night when they have finished work.
They still get paid for turning in even if they don't get on the fire engine and they are on about £3k per year retainer just for being on call.......they get this monthly whether or not they turn out.
Stayed in a B and B last year in Cumbria and the owner was an on call Firefighter.....we got on very well together.
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Bungle

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2018, 04:06:05 pm »
They get paid to sleep, play snooker and cook big meals. £30k a year too. No wonder the government tried to put a stop to this nonsense
We look at them, they look through them.

Shrek

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2018, 04:11:19 pm »
They get paid to sleep, play snooker and cook big meals. £30k a year too. No wonder the government tried to put a stop to this nonsense

What’s stopping you going for it then or why have you never applied before if it’s a job that your jealous of?

Granny

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2018, 05:44:00 pm »
""Seriously, who cares if they earn a few bob on the side. They do a ridiculously dangerous job and the wages doesn’t equal the risk.""

Health and Safety ensure they don't do a "ridiculously dangerous job".
Like the Manchester Arena bombing when they were told to stay 3 miles away while the public looked after the injured?
" and the wages"
You ever seen a Fireman job advertised?
No, me neither it's a closed shop.
No one ever leaves the fire service once they're in.
I don't know of any other "essential service" job where you can also run a business on the side.
There are loads working round here and I have picked up work after them and most were cash jobs.

Bungle

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Re: Firemen
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2018, 05:54:42 pm »
And don't get me started on pensions and retirement age. Retire at 55 with full pension  ::)roll and cream off window cleaning rounds whilst on a 4 day off week. Unbelievable Geoff, unbelievable.
We look at them, they look through them.