[james peters]

I work with cold pure water. I can use hot when I NEED to !
the majority of the people on this forum that use hot water day in day out seem to have the opinion that their way is best and that cold can not do the job . so this implies that the years they were without hot water not providing a first class service?

[Stoots]

Some use hot some use cold, some use a leccy reel some use a manual.

They all get the job done.

It's personal preference that's all.

[mufcglen]

I prefer hot to cold but I wouldn’t say I couldn’t do the job without it, I recently had to go back to cold after not draining my system down with the weather we had and it cracked the heater and for the 3-4 days without hot I didn’t enjoy it as much not feeling the warmth through the pole or the stiff hose but doing the job on the glass was fine although there was a few marks and bird poo’s that I know hot would have softened up quicker for an easier scrub!
With the reel too I would hate to go back to manual and same with recently buying an xtreme over an slx.
It’s just working efficiently for me, as Asda says every little helps😂

[james peters]

I prefer hot to cold but I wouldn’t say I couldn’t do the job without it, I recently had to go back to cold after not draining my system down with the weather we had and it cracked the heater and for the 3-4 days without hot I didn’t enjoy it as much not feeling the warmth through the pole or the stiff hose but doing the job on the glass was fine although there was a few marks and bird poo’s that I know hot would have softened up quicker for an easier scrub!
With the reel too I would hate to go back to manual and same with recently buying an xtreme over an slx.
It’s just working efficiently for me, as Asda says every little helps😂

[james peters]

great post. but it seems it was costly, and a bit of a pain?

[Splash & dash]

I work with cold pure water. I can use hot when I NEED to !
the majority of the people on this forum that use hot water day in day out seem to have the opinion that their way is best and that cold can not do the job . so this implies that the years they were without hot water not providing a first class service?

I don’t think that’s the case at all I was cold wfp for 10 years and did a very good job and had happy customers , I have been hot wfp for the last 4 years and still give the customers a first class job but hot is quicker dries faster and is far easier to work with especially in colder months , time saving on first cleans is huge as is plastic cleans and building  wash downs , those that have not used hot have no idear of the advantages they just talk without any experience it’s only when you use it day in day out that you notice a vast difference we use hot all year round at an aprox cost per week in diesel of £55-70 I can assure you I wouldn’t spend that if it wasn’t needed or didn’t make a difference, it payed for it’s self over and over again , salt, snail trails, bee pollen\poo , bird muck , algy, and general grime come off so much easier with less scrubbing less water less time taken , but I accept not everyone will want the extra expense or believe what I’ve said and that’s fine , but ask yourself why do ones spend thousands of pounds if it’s not needed or no good I would be the first saying save your money it’s a waist of time , I was very sceptical before having it but tried out a hot system for a couple of weeks and was amazed how much cleaner the frames were with the hot compared to the cold I was using and the customers noticed too , I wasn’t doing anything any different with my cleaning technique either , hot does do a better job quicker that’s not saying those that use cold are doing a poor job , it’s like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford Fiesta both will get to the destination but one will be a lot quicker than the other

[Dry Clean]

I work with cold pure water. I can use hot when I NEED to !
the majority of the people on this forum that use hot water day in day out seem to have the opinion that their way is best and that cold can not do the job . so this implies that the years they were without hot water not providing a first class service?

I don’t think that’s the case at all I was cold wfp for 10 years and did a very good job and had happy customers , I have been hot wfp for the last 4 years and still give the customers a first class job but hot is quicker dries faster and is far easier to work with especially in colder months , time saving on first cleans is huge as is plastic cleans and building  wash downs , those that have not used hot have no idear of the advantages they just talk without any experience it’s only when you use it day in day out that you notice a vast difference we use hot all year round at an aprox cost per week in diesel of £55-70 I can assure you I wouldn’t spend that if it wasn’t needed or didn’t make a difference, it payed for it’s self over and over again , salt, snail trails, bee pollen\poo , bird muck , algy, and general grime come off so much easier with less scrubbing less water less time taken , but I accept not everyone will want the extra expense or believe what I’ve said and that’s fine , but ask yourself why do ones spend thousands of pounds if it’s not needed or no good I would be the first saying save your money it’s a waist of time , I was very sceptical before having it but tried out a hot system for a couple of weeks and was amazed how much cleaner the frames were with the hot compared to the cold I was using and the customers noticed too , I wasn’t doing anything any different with my cleaning technique either , hot does do a better job quicker that’s not saying those that use cold are doing a poor job , it’s like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford Fiesta both will get to the destination but one will be a lot quicker than the other

So what you are saying is you where slow and your quality wasnt the best when using cold, its training not hot water that
you need.
Plus how could you have been doing a first class job for 6 years using cold when the frames where much cleaner using hot to the point where your customers even noticed it ? lol.

[windowswashed]

Hot water speeds cleaning dirty frames and heavily soiled glass, no doubting it. normal regular cleans doesn't make much difference other than water drying quicker and removing bird muck, snail trails quicker. 
Could say the same  about brushes. I use boars hair bristles in the centre for extra scrubbing power and dupont nylon for easy glide on the outer rows of bristles.  Flocked brushes have more scrubbing power than single filament but trap dirt and clog up quicker. It's all boils down to cost and personal preference.

[Arnold Palmer]

I've been at this since before wfp was nowt but a purified twinkle. A large part of the transition to WFP was the profit margin per window. Sure you can do more in a day buy with the margin squeezed by much higher overheads, there wasn't really an option.

Hot water increases the overheads and reduces the profit margin. If you can't charge more for it and you can increase production because of it, it's of no interest to me.

[tony day]

I work with cold pure water. I can use hot when I NEED to !
the majority of the people on this forum that use hot water day in day out seem to have the opinion that their way is best and that cold can not do the job . so this implies that the years they were without hot water not providing a first class service?

Look, if your doing house's every 4 week's then stick to cold. If your doing Schools, Hotels, with Builder's Cleans then get Hot.

[PHILIP HARDY]

I work with cold pure water. I can use hot when I NEED to !

Look, if your doing house's every 4 week's then stick to cold. If your doing Schools, Hotels, with Builder's Cleans then get Hot.

I really like this response from Tony, It kinda hits the nail on the head,You get a lot of vested interests on this forum pushing the hot water systems (don't be naive), but my van does around £50K a year principally maintenance,  domestic work, a £5K investment + £2k a year running costs, would mean that the van had to up that to at least £53K a year for 5 years, to justify the outlay, never mind increase profitability, I am just not sure actual time on the glass warrants this outlay, whether its better/faster/more comfortable to use is subjective but if domestic maintenance work is your norm and you are already reasonably efficient with few to none complaints, then the figures for a hot water system don't add up.

[NWH]

Once paid for its pittance per day to run a hot system the people disagreeing obviously haven’t had a hot system,not only does it produce better cleaning results on plastic frames as well as wooden it gives you the confidence it’s doing a better job and you need to spend far less time on the glass each window scrubbing the hot water litterally does the work for you.

[NWH]

If a builder earns 50k a year his expenses are way way more than a WFpoler,what most people are saying is that laying out 3-5k fo a hot system will cripple there overheads lol I think they need to either start doing or getting more decent work tbh.

[Shrek]

If a builder earns 50k a year his expenses are way way more than a WFpoler,what most people are saying is that laying out 3-5k fo a hot system will cripple there overheads lol I think they need to either start doing or getting more decent work tbh.

I think he’s saying that he’s doing 50k a year with cold perfectly fine, so there’s no need for him to get hot as it’d be a waste of money

[Richard Stevenson]

I have the option of hot or cold. When I use hot I see little different in time spent on Windows, quality of work. The only time it works for me is when the temperature turns around the zero mark, it keeps me going.

[P @ F]

I prefer hot to cold but I wouldn’t say I couldn’t do the job without it, I recently had to go back to cold after not draining my system down with the weather we had and it cracked the heater and for the 3-4 days without hot I didn’t enjoy it as much not feeling the warmth through the pole or the stiff hose but doing the job on the glass was fine although there was a few marks and bird poo’s that I know hot would have softened up quicker for an easier scrub!
With the reel too I would hate to go back to manual and same with recently buying an xtreme over an slx.
It’s just working efficiently for me, as Asda says every little helps😂

Not that im picky , but you could not be more wrong , its Tesco that say "Every little helps"   
But you are right with the rest mate 

[mufcglen]

Haha doh!!
As we all know you can work with cold water, manual reel or even a heavy old fibreglass pole etc but its about working smart for me.
Having moved from an slx to an extreme this last month I find I’m earning a few quid more every day as I’m not as aching as much so want to stay out a tad more in the day, little things like that make a big difference for my body and my earnings too.
For what it costs to run hot water it’s money well spent in my opinion and I know some don’t like the cheap lpg heaters and that’s another story lol but £100 for a heater and a few quid plumbing it in line then £25 a bottle of gas every 3-4 weeks that’s peanuts for the money we make in this trade.
If anyone is struggling with that you seriously need to look at your prices😂🙈

[Marc Stock]

Hot water will  have its advantages. For one hot water will evaporate quicker, as its already at a higher energy state than cold water. So for working in hot sunlight, its surprising how well hot water..........you know what....i cant be bothered...its bank holiday...who cares..really.

[P @ F]

See for me the hot LPG only goes in when its cold enough for the hoses to go stiff and i cant feel my pinkies anymore , i dont blurt to custies that "It cleans better" thus covering me for taking it out again when the temps come back up .
I dont want to spend money on gas if i dont need to , its a comfort thing for me , always has been .

As for poles , as much as i would like to try the Extreme , that little guy in the back of my head says no !

Reasoning is ......and im going on my scenario ......I use the SLX18 , its 990g and costs £228 all in , will last years , if i change to Extreme 18 its 760g and costs £492 all in , wont last as long and i will need to be gentle .

It would  cost me an extra £264 to save the weight of a bank bag of £1 coins , i just cant warrant that or afford it really , and i dont mind saying it because im not a willy waving earner 

I dont blame anybody for owning one though , if it makes the day easier then have it , dont let me sway you     

[Dry Clean]

Once paid for its pittance per day to run a hot system the people disagreeing obviously haven’t had a hot system,not only does it produce better cleaning results on plastic frames as well as wooden it gives you the confidence it’s doing a better job and you need to spend far less time on the glass each window scrubbing the hot water litterally does the work for you.

Exactly, some will use additives some will use ppb filtering and some will use hot, if it gives you the confidence to go a little quicker and make a few quid more then it doesnt matter if it does anything real or not as it can still be money well spent, you do have to laugh at some of the silly claims you guys make though, lol.