[NWH]

I had a demo with a hot from ionic in 2004 so they ain’t that new they were for quiet a few years before that too,pleasure to use hot water it gives you a lot more confidence when using it knowing you will get better results. Like I’ve said if all glass was water loving you wouldn’t have anywhere near the problems with cold.

[richard groves]

I had a demo with a hot from ionic in 2004 so they ain’t that new they were for quiet a few years before that too,pleasure to use hot water it gives you a lot more confidence when using it knowing you will get better results. Like I’ve said if all glass was water loving you wouldn’t have anywhere near the problems with cold.

I was just waiting for somebody to say that . There were carbon fiber poles then too. But neither were affordable to the masses. Diesel heater systems still aren't now to many sole traders. The question that seems to be being asked is what are people prepared to spend on gear to clean a window. Everybody is going to have a different opinion on that. There is no right or wrong. 10 years from now we will probably all be using hot water and systems will be cheaper and not necessarily diesel ones either.

[dazmond]

Its what its worth to you. There's no right or wrong. When wfp first became common place hot water systems were pretty much non existent . I'm sure there are plenty of cleaners out there still using cheap glass fiber poles . Still cleans the window the same. Its going to depend on your finances a lot as to wether or not you invest in a diesel hot water system. Personally I get by just fine with cold and can think of better things to spend 5k on that having nothing to do with my working life but if money was not an issue I may think differently and there's nothing wrong with that.

well said barry....

ive done it all........running old bangers with ladders tied on when 100% trad,old vans with barrels and trolleys,cold water/hot water......etc....

i wanted a smart decent professional set up after 25 years of window cleaning.it looks good too(esp when working affluent areas)which is where most of my work is based....

[Dry Clean]

I had a demo with a hot from ionic in 2004 so they ain’t that new they were for quiet a few years before that too,pleasure to use hot water it gives you a lot more confidence when using it knowing you will get better results. Like I’ve said if all glass was water loving you wouldn’t have anywhere near the problems with cold.

Learn how the method works and you wont need silly gimmicks to give you confidence, hydrophobic glass was just another one of those scary ones to watch out for back in the days when we were all wet behind the ears and making it up as we went along, most dont give it a second thought today.

[Splash & dash]

This has been discussed many times before so If you can't still see all the benefits of hot, then just stay cold and get get on with it.  I wish you all the best.  Unless it's a bit of the green eyed monster coming out?

Every hot water thread seems to get hi jacked.

It's also a nice USP too. The calls through my website has doubled since going hot.  That pays for it alone.

Diesel heaters have been done to death on here so its no surprise that they tend to get hi jacked, problem is its a lot more entertaining to read the stuff  hot users come out with when trying to justify the expense to themselves. lol.

Don’t have to justify the cost at all I can easily afford it if I had spent lots of money on it and it wasn’t any good I would say what a waist of money it is don’t buy one , but that’s not the case it is well worth having , like you before I had it I to was very sceptical it’s only when you have it and see how much quicker it is at most types of work that you really appreciate it I have been wfp 11 years and hot wfp 3:5 years knowing what I know now I wish I had gone hot from day one , evan on 4 weekly maintenance cleans it’s quicker especially with bird muck : snail trails , fly dirt etc : is it essential no it’s not is it a far more efficient and quicker yes it is , can someone just starting out afford it probebly not , can an established sole trader afford it yes if you arnt earning at least £200 per day you are doing something drastically wrong  and that’s not working hard or a full day , most of the people who buy these hot systems are sole traders not big firms buying many vans , like many things in life untill you try it for your self over a period of time you will only then realise the benefits . I wouldn’t be spending what I am on diesel each week if it doesn’t pay for it’s self Ime In buisness to make money and make a profit and each year this is increasing , been said my others would you want to do the washing up with cold water ? No of course not , would it clean the dishes yes it would eventually but hot is quicker and easier and more pleasant in colder conditions

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

all this chest thumping bout hot water and not one of you as said anything about the true figures and the re search    behind it  and how it works

[Splash & dash]

all this chest thumping bout hot water and not one of you as said anything about the true figures and the re search    behind it  and how it works

What do you want to know ? To be fair there have been numerous threads about this subject just do a search Ime sure you will find most things have been covered many times

[Dry Clean]

This has been discussed many times before so If you can't still see all the benefits of hot, then just stay cold and get get on with it.  I wish you all the best.  Unless it's a bit of the green eyed monster coming out?

Every hot water thread seems to get hi jacked.

It's also a nice USP too. The calls through my website has doubled since going hot.  That pays for it alone.

Diesel heaters have been done to death on here so its no surprise that they tend to get hi jacked, problem is its a lot more entertaining to read the stuff  hot users come out with when trying to justify the expense to themselves. lol.

Don’t have to justify the cost at all I can easily afford it if I had spent lots of money on it and it wasn’t any good I would say what a waist of money it is don’t buy one , but that’s not the case it is well worth having , like you before I had it I to was very sceptical it’s only when you have it and see how much quicker it is at most types of work that you really appreciate it I have been wfp 11 years and hot wfp 3:5 years knowing what I know now I wish I had gone hot from day one , evan on 4 weekly maintenance cleans it’s quicker especially with bird muck : snail trails , fly dirt etc : is it essential no it’s not is it a far more efficient and quicker yes it is , can someone just starting out afford it probebly not , can an established sole trader afford it yes if you arnt earning at least £200 per day you are doing something drastically wrong  and that’s not working hard or a full day , most of the people who buy these hot systems are sole traders not big firms buying many vans , like many things in life untill you try it for your self over a period of time you will only then realise the benefits . I wouldn’t be spending what I am on diesel each week if it doesn’t pay for it’s self Ime In buisness to make money and make a profit and each year this is increasing , been said my others would you want to do the washing up with cold water ? No of course not , would it clean the dishes yes it would eventually but hot is quicker and easier and more pleasant in colder conditions

You make a good point and when I start getting more than a few stubborn bird poo's on the glass weekly or if the glass I clean
starts getting covered in dishes crud then I will be on the phone to the nearest diesel heater supplier asap,
Its your hard earned money and your right to spend it on whatever you want its just comical when you guys try and make it sound like a sensible decision.

[nathankaye]

Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.

Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy,  brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at. 

[G Griffin]

I got one of those Mexican made heaters and it's a great piece of kit.
I got it from One Heater.

[Dry Clean]

Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.

Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy,  brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.

LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right. 

[Slacky]

Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.

Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy,  brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.

LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.

And sometimes you see what you want to see even when you do have the knowledge. Which is far more baffling.

[Jonny 87]

Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.


Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy,  brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.

LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.

[/color]

Couldn’t agree with your statement more!

You don’t half post some drivel Sean. I reckon you could confuse a nursery class going through their abc’s because you think there’s a better way to do it. 

[Dry Clean]

Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.


Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy,  brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.

LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.

[/color]

Couldn’t agree with your statement more!

You don’t half post some drivel Sean. I reckon you could confuse a nursery class going through their abc’s because you think there’s a better way to do it. 

You idiot, I'm not taking about cleaning eggs I'm taking about cleaning egg of glass, lol,
Anything that expands and separates when heated  will clean better with hot water anything that binds together when heated such as things containing protein will clean better with cold water.

[Dry Clean]

Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.

Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy,  brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.

LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.

And sometimes you see what you want to see even when you do have the knowledge. Which is far more baffling.

Leave Dazmond out of this he just has plenty of cash and nothing to do with it.lol.

[Jonny 87]

Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.


Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy,  brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.

LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.

[/color]

Couldn’t agree with your statement more!

You don’t half post some drivel Sean. I reckon you could confuse a nursery class going through their abc’s because you think there’s a better way to do it. 

You idiot, I'm not taking about cleaning eggs I'm taking about cleaning egg of glass, lol,

That’s even more ridiculous! 
The same principal applies.

[Dry Clean]

Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.


Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy,  brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.

LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.

[/color]

Couldn’t agree with your statement more!

You don’t half post some drivel Sean. I reckon you could confuse a nursery class going through their abc’s because you think there’s a better way to do it. 

You idiot, I'm not taking about cleaning eggs I'm taking about cleaning egg of glass, lol,

That’s even more ridiculous! 
The same principal applies.

Have explained above, look it up if you want but it wont be pleasant reading for you guys. lol.

[nathankaye]

Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.

Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy,  brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.

LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.

Now heres another question,  what sounds like ollocks!
Why not put your science to the test sean.  Throw two eggs on your windows when the weather improves.  Do so on the same pane of glass and leave for say 5 days. Clean one with cold pure and the other with hot pure and come back and report. In the name of science and all of that. You can then proof allus hot water lovers wrong cant you.

Because for us who HAVE used cold and especially ones like me who have years of trad experience behind them, using scrapers and the like,  pain stakingly getting baked on egg of the windows. Then upgrading to wfp and still needing something to agitate the egg off the window to then using HOT water to clean the egg off with ease. But you could be right, i guess its just the placebo and we're all idiots

[G Griffin]

I've been looking at the Argentinian made ones- the Evv Heater.
They look good value and there's always 'one pair on' sale. 

[dazmond]

Not read all the pages on this thread, just the last 2.
All i can throw into the mix, is that the ones who can afford the running cost of heating their water to have Hot water (regardless which heating method is used) would not want to give it up even in summer. So I would argue that its not always about the niceness of hot water and the benefits on the hose but also to do with the efficiency of the clean as well.

Ive gone from cold to warm (with fish tank heaters) to hot. I know the difference between the three, to the point where I dont need to check the temperature with a thermostat anymore but by how it is on the glass.
If cold water users are happy,  brilliant but most of you probably came from being a trad user first and scoffed at the idea of wfp and now look at you wfpers! funny how opinions change when you have to try the thing being initially scoffed at.

LOL, you havent a clue have you Nathan, hot users just like additive and other gimmick users are guys who dont
think cold purified water is up to the job in other words they have never fully come onboard with the idea that water on its own actually cleans very well.
Like i said earlier if you actually learned how the method works then you wouldnt have need for silly gimmicks, heres one for
you to think about, remember your cleaning the eggs of glass quicker story, well its a science fact that because eggs contain
protein its best and quicker to clean them with cold water.
We see what we want to see especially when we dont have the knowledge to keep us right.

how come i can clean dried on egg off an upper window with hot wfp but i have to get my ladders off to scrape the window if using cold wfp?