[dazmond]

It’s a luxury to have a diesel heater. Not a necessity.

I’m still Going to go for one this year even though all the ribbing that you guys give them. 

Anything to make life more comfortable. Even if it is arguable if it provides a better quality, or quicker speed.

you cant beat hot water on demand for window cleaning/add on jobs(and no messing around with gas bottles).you wont regret it jonny.see it as an investment esp if your gonna keep your van for 5 years+......

[Dry Clean]

You will then realise it’s not a luxury it’s needed.

If its needed then he would already have it, (think of purified water) if he's over cleaning and hot water stops him doing so then
its needed for him, you need to understand the difference.

[dazmond]

I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.

no it doesnt mate.in fact hot water would be a good investment for you danny esp with all the less frequent commercial work you do.......

[Splash & dash]

It’s a luxury to have a diesel heater. Not a necessity.

I’m still Going to go for one this year even though all the ribbing that you guys give them. 

Anything to make life more comfortable. Even if it is arguable if it provides a better quality, or quicker speed.

Yes you can work without it but it makes like soooooo much easier I wouldn’t be without it , I think a lot who slate it haven’t got a clue what it’s like to work with hot , not cheap to buy or run but well worth it in my view , my staff before working for me had only ever used cold and they say how impressed they are with it they thought it wouldn’t make any difference they have said how much easier the working day is with it the only complaint from them is the hose burns there hands when reeling in ,,,, dear of them 😂😂😂😂

[The Jester of Wibbly]

Hotties and Coldies is the new Brexit and Remainers debate 

[Dry Clean]

It’s a luxury to have a diesel heater. Not a necessity.

I’m still Going to go for one this year even though all the ribbing that you guys give them. 

Anything to make life more comfortable. Even if it is arguable if it provides a better quality, or quicker speed.

Yes you can work without it but it makes like soooooo much easier I wouldn’t be without it , I think a lot who slate it haven’t got a clue what it’s like to work with hot , not cheap to buy or run but well worth it in my view , my staff before working for me had only ever used cold and they say how impressed they are with it they thought it wouldn’t make any difference they have said how much easier the working day is with it the only complaint from them is the hose burns there hands when reeling in ,,,, dear of them 😂😂😂😂

Dazmond has both praised  and slated it, its like additives, ppb, multi jets, heavy bruses or whatever, if it makes you quicker
then its money well spent , that doesnt mean it does anything other than give you the confidence to go quicker.

[deeege]

I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.

no it doesnt mate.in fact hot water would be a good investment for you danny esp with all the less frequent commercial work you do.......

Seems like a massive (and expensive) faff to me, especially if the only real benefit is having warm hands which you confirmed when you went back to cold water earlier last year. I’ll be sticking to cold.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

Yawn!

[dazmond]

I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.

no it doesnt mate.in fact hot water would be a good investment for you danny esp with all the less frequent commercial work you do.......

Seems like a massive (and expensive) faff to me, especially if the only real benefit is having warm hands which you confirmed when you went back to cold water earlier last year. I’ll be sticking to cold.

i was kidding myself mate (after my little accident with my gas heater.)why do you think i ended up buying an expensive diesel heater?because cleaning with hot water is obviously better than cleaning with  cold water.easier scrubbing/rinsing,windows dry quicker and supple hoses in winter....as well as not having to think about remembering to put a heater in the back of my van on cold nights...

[Dry Clean]

I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.

no it doesnt mate.in fact hot water would be a good investment for you danny esp with all the less frequent commercial work you do.......

Seems like a massive (and expensive) faff to me, especially if the only real benefit is having warm hands which you confirmed when you went back to cold water earlier last year. I’ll be sticking to cold.

i was kidding myself mate (after my little accident with my gas heater.)why do you think i ended up buying an expensive diesel heater?because cleaning with hot water is obviously better than cleaning with  cold water.easier scrubbing/rinsing,windows dry quicker and supple hoses in winter....as well as not having to think about remembering to put a heater in the back of my van on cold nights...

You do talk rubbish at times Dazmond.
How many complaints did you get when you stopped using hot ?
How many customers did you lose when you stopped using hot ?
How far did you fall behind when you stopped using hot ?
The thing is for some it does give them the confidence to go quicker but for you its nothing more than a fancy toy to put in
your new van, yes you were kidding yourself and still are.

[dazmond]

I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.

no it doesnt mate.in fact hot water would be a good investment for you danny esp with all the less frequent commercial work you do.......

Seems like a massive (and expensive) faff to me, especially if the only real benefit is having warm hands which you confirmed when you went back to cold water earlier last year. I’ll be sticking to cold.

i was kidding myself mate (after my little accident with my gas heater.)why do you think i ended up buying an expensive diesel heater?because cleaning with hot water is obviously better than cleaning with  cold water.easier scrubbing/rinsing,windows dry quicker and supple hoses in winter....as well as not having to think about remembering to put a heater in the back of my van on cold nights...

You do talk rubbish at times Dazmond.
How many complaints did you get when you stopped using hot ?
How many customers did you lose when you stopped using hot ?
How far did you fall behind when you stopped using hot ?
The thing is for some it does give them the confidence to go quicker but for you its nothing more than a fancy toy to put in
your new van, yes you were kidding yourself and still are.

there is nothing toy about it sean.its an awesome bit of kit and a good tool for cleaning.....

i dont know why you get so angry about it......its obvious hot water cleans easier and to a better standard than cold water.......

[Tristan R Clean]

Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.

Tris

[Dry Clean]

I just use a £50 Stanley space heater and leave it in the van overnight during these (rare) cold spells. Also I wear a decent pair of gloves during the day. It’s roughly £4450.00 cheaper than Daz’s option and does exactly the same thing.

no it doesnt mate.in fact hot water would be a good investment for you danny esp with all the less frequent commercial work you do.......

Seems like a massive (and expensive) faff to me, especially if the only real benefit is having warm hands which you confirmed when you went back to cold water earlier last year. I’ll be sticking to cold.

i was kidding myself mate (after my little accident with my gas heater.)why do you think i ended up buying an expensive diesel heater?because cleaning with hot water is obviously better than cleaning with  cold water.easier scrubbing/rinsing,windows dry quicker and supple hoses in winter....as well as not having to think about remembering to put a heater in the back of my van on cold nights...

You do talk rubbish at times Dazmond.
How many complaints did you get when you stopped using hot ?
How many customers did you lose when you stopped using hot ?
How far did you fall behind when you stopped using hot ?
The thing is for some it does give them the confidence to go quicker but for you its nothing more than a fancy toy to put in
your new van, yes you were kidding yourself and still are.

there is nothing toy about it sean.its an awesome bit of kit and a good tool for cleaning.....

i dont know why you get so angry about it......its obvious hot water cleans easier and to a better standard than cold water.......

I'm not angry Dazmond far from it but when somebody is talking rubbish then I don't think there's a nice way to put it,
I asked you three questions and you cant answer any of them simply because when push comes to shove using hot water has
not made a single difference to your production or quality and you know it.

[Flight 447]

From cold to Hot water and i never go back using cold.. has it speed up my work maybe a little . but i didnt invest to make me go faster. first times cleans  on windows. dirty Pvc its awesome... cold weather  hands nice and warn , minus 3 today  . no gloves on. sure you cant beat that, life for living..  yes it cost Thousands to  install.. but sure i could be dead tomorrow.  my motto enjoy life and if hot water makes my life easy  then yes  . Hot is the way Forward for  me. as for new clients i have got 24 since jan  as  i have moved  to hot.. ask any house wife  Cold vs Hot  for cleaning , they you have the answer, when the housewife hears you chat about using Hot water  its a yes right away..  and it you cant afford  buying a  system or worry about how much to run it per day then something wrong .. look around you every day   what you see   House   house house  houses.. every one could be a  client on your books  ,. get off yer ass  knock on doors spend less time on here   mouthing about  how  good is cold water vs Hot water then maybe you  gather enough dosh  to buy one, sick in the flecking head   on here . that guys are saying Hot no better that cold. . cop yer self on  ffs, grow a  set  ,  rant over

[Jonny 87]

Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.

Tris

I reckon that for a sole trader, there is to more to business than just the numbers.

The question you have to ask is.....If you could make your day more comfortable, is the 4 grand worth it?

A sole trader working decent hours will be doing many tens of thousands per year with a well established business, if that’s the case, then is the money worth it? That’s up to everyone as an individual.

If You had a multi van business then things would be different I’m sure, but for a sole trader, I think it’s a decent purchase and can completely understand it.

Why do we buy a powered reels, lightweight poles, univalves? These things have much cheaper alternatives, but spending out on them makes our day easier, and in some cases more efficient.

I’d put a diesel hot water set up in that category. The only Alternatives are immersion’s, ( not as hot and more faff) or lpg (not safe in my opinion).

I’ve noticed a trend that it only seems to be those without hot water setups that seem to argue it’s unnecessary.

[Slacky]

I’ve got a diesel heater. They’re not a necessity, they’re a comfort. They make working a more pleasant option. They help. They’re not the be all and end all.

You do not need a heater of any description but if you do happen to invest in one you soon realise they’re a great addition to have.

[Splash & dash]

Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.

Tris

I reckon that for a sole trader, there is to more to business than just the numbers.

The question you have to ask is.....If you could make your day more comfortable, is the 4 grand worth it?

A sole trader working decent hours will be doing many tens of thousands per year with a well established business, if that’s the case, then is the money worth it? That’s up to everyone as an individual.

If You had a multi van business then things would be different I’m sure, but for a sole trader, I think it’s a decent purchase and can completely understand it.

Why do we buy a powered reels, lightweight poles, univalves? These things have much cheaper alternatives, but spending out on them makes our day easier, and in some cases more efficient.

I’d put a diesel hot water set up in that category. The only Alternatives are immersion’s, ( not as hot and more faff) or lpg (not safe in my opinion).

I’ve noticed a trend that it only seems to be those without hot water setups that seem to argue it’s unnecessary.

Very well said I have two vans one with hot one with cold the hot van always does more work in less time fact it doesn’t make any difference who is on which van , I have a guy who used to work for himself with cold : when he started working for me he was very sceptical about hot water said not needed not any quicker etc : guess what he now says how little he knew about it using hot Ime talking about proper hot not warm , it’s  not cycological it I’d definitely quicker on all cleans especially first cleans , if you doubt it come out with us for the day doing costal work with salt that bad that the windows  are opaque we are less than a quarter of the time doing jobs with hot compared to the cold system , seagull poo ever tried to get that of hot glass on a sunny day ? Again hot is less than half the time , plastic cleans on a hot day with cold takes a lot off scrubbing with hot two wipes and it’s off , there are far to many people on hear with opinions on this subject that don’t know what they are talking about , I’ll put out a challenge to anyone come out with us and we will clean identical properties I’ll use hot you use cold no addertives or chemicals I guarantee I’ll do the job in half the time or I’ll pay your travelling expenses anyone fancy that challenge???

[Shrek]

Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.

Tris

I reckon that for a sole trader, there is to more to business than just the numbers.

The question you have to ask is.....If you could make your day more comfortable, is the 4 grand worth it?

A sole trader working decent hours will be doing many tens of thousands per year with a well established business, if that’s the case, then is the money worth it? That’s up to everyone as an individual.

If You had a multi van business then things would be different I’m sure, but for a sole trader, I think it’s a decent purchase and can completely understand it.

Why do we buy a powered reels, lightweight poles, univalves? These things have much cheaper alternatives, but spending out on them makes our day easier, and in some cases more efficient.

I’d put a diesel hot water set up in that category. The only Alternatives are immersion’s, ( not as hot and more faff) or lpg (not safe in my opinion).

I’ve noticed a trend that it only seems to be those without hot water setups that seem to argue it’s unnecessary.

Very well said I have two vans one with hot one with cold the hot van always does more work in less time fact it doesn’t make any difference who is on which van , I have a guy who used to work for himself with cold : when he started working for me he was very sceptical about hot water said not needed not any quicker etc : guess what he now says how little he knew about it using hot Ime talking about proper hot not warm , it’s  not cycological it I’d definitely quicker on all cleans especially first cleans , if you doubt it come out with us for the day doing costal work with salt that bad that the windows  are opaque we are less than a quarter of the time doing jobs with hot compared to the cold system , seagull poo ever tried to get that of hot glass on a sunny day ? Again hot is less than half the time , plastic cleans on a hot day with cold takes a lot off scrubbing with hot two wipes and it’s off , there are far to many people on hear with opinions on this subject that don’t know what they are talking about , I’ll put out a challenge to anyone come out with us and we will clean identical properties I’ll use hot you use cold no addertives or chemicals I guarantee I’ll do the job in half the time or I’ll pay your travelling expenses anyone fancy that challenge???

I think that’s not a fair test . The 1st time anyone cleans a different property it’s going to take them longer anyway , regardless of hot or cold

[p1w1]

Seems even the people who use hot have different views of it some say it's makes them much quicker and some say it's not much quicker 
Reflections I see where hot water is of good benefit to you and probably a fair bit quicker  with working in a coastal town and all the salt on the windows. But i gaurantee if you came to me and cleaned identical houses where it's just the basic monthly dust and grime your not going to do it in half the time that's just nonsence.

[Jonny 87]

Can’t believe guys are arguing that hot doesn’t clean any better than cold.