[Dry Clean]

Can’t believe guys are arguing that hot doesn’t clean any better than cold. 

Thats where you guys go wrong,  you cant get cleaner than clean so the only argument is does it make the cleaning easier,
if you where getting the same crud on the glass as you would get on a dish plate then the answer would be yes, if your on a rural round and getting large amounts of tree sap on the glass then it may also be yes, same on the coast and so on.
It would be wrong to say that hot doesn't benefit anybody but for a lot of users its nothing more than using a sledge hammer to
crack a nut.

[Dry Clean]

Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.

Tris

I reckon that for a sole trader, there is to more to business than just the numbers.

The question you have to ask is.....If you could make your day more comfortable, is the 4 grand worth it?

A sole trader working decent hours will be doing many tens of thousands per year with a well established business, if that’s the case, then is the money worth it? That’s up to everyone as an individual.

If You had a multi van business then things would be different I’m sure, but for a sole trader, I think it’s a decent purchase and can completely understand it.

Why do we buy a powered reels, lightweight poles, univalves? These things have much cheaper alternatives, but spending out on them makes our day easier, and in some cases more efficient.

I’d put a diesel hot water set up in that category. The only Alternatives are immersion’s, ( not as hot and more faff) or lpg (not safe in my opinion).

I’ve noticed a trend that it only seems to be those without hot water setups that seem to argue it’s unnecessary.

I have used hot water but you certainly dont need to have used it to come to an opinion, if your constantly battling to get crud
of the glass then hot could be a fix if not then its unneccessery, as with most things a bit of common sense can work wonders.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

This has been discussed many times before so If you can't still see all the benefits of hot, then just stay cold and get get on with it.  I wish you all the best.  Unless it's a bit of the green eyed monster coming out?

Every hot water thread seems to get hi jacked.

It's also a nice USP too. The calls through my website has doubled since going hot.  That pays for it alone.

[Splash & dash]

Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.

Tris

I reckon that for a sole trader, there is to more to business than just the numbers.

The question you have to ask is.....If you could make your day more comfortable, is the 4 grand worth it?

A sole trader working decent hours will be doing many tens of thousands per year with a well established business, if that’s the case, then is the money worth it? That’s up to everyone as an individual.

If You had a multi van business then things would be different I’m sure, but for a sole trader, I think it’s a decent purchase and can completely understand it.

Why do we buy a powered reels, lightweight poles, univalves? These things have much cheaper alternatives, but spending out on them makes our day easier, and in some cases more efficient.

I’d put a diesel hot water set up in that category. The only Alternatives are immersion’s, ( not as hot and more faff) or lpg (not safe in my opinion).

I’ve noticed a trend that it only seems to be those without hot water setups that seem to argue it’s unnecessary.

Very well said I have two vans one with hot one with cold the hot van always does more work in less time fact it doesn’t make any difference who is on which van , I have a guy who used to work for himself with cold : when he started working for me he was very sceptical about hot water said not needed not any quicker etc : guess what he now says how little he knew about it using hot Ime talking about proper hot not warm , it’s  not cycological it I’d definitely quicker on all cleans especially first cleans , if you doubt it come out with us for the day doing costal work with salt that bad that the windows  are opaque we are less than a quarter of the time doing jobs with hot compared to the cold system , seagull poo ever tried to get that of hot glass on a sunny day ? Again hot is less than half the time , plastic cleans on a hot day with cold takes a lot off scrubbing with hot two wipes and it’s off , there are far to many people on hear with opinions on this subject that don’t know what they are talking about , I’ll put out a challenge to anyone come out with us and we will clean identical properties I’ll use hot you use cold no addertives or chemicals I guarantee I’ll do the job in half the time or I’ll pay your travelling expenses anyone fancy that challenge???

I think that’s not a fair test . The 1st time anyone cleans a different property it’s going to take them longer anyway , regardless of hot or cold

No Ime talking about doing two identical properties with a plastic clean gfs it’s the same for you and I fancy the challenge Half the time

[Splash & dash]

Seems even the people who use hot have different views of it some say it's makes them much quicker and some say it's not much quicker 
Reflections I see where hot water is of good benefit to you and probably a fair bit quicker  with working in a coastal town and all the salt on the windows. But i gaurantee if you came to me and cleaned identical houses where it's just the basic monthly dust and grime your not going to do it in half the time that's just nonsence.

It’s not nonsense my staff used to say the same untill they started using hot

[dazmond]

Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.

Tris

my earnings have been going  steadily upwards since i went wfp 8 years ago mate.ive tried gas heaters,trolleys,glass fibre poles,vikan brushes,etc.all sorts....

the whole point of going hot (with a decent heater thats not gonna potential set my van on fire)is to make my working day easier.no faffing about with gas bottles etc....and to keep my system frost free on cold nights....time saving wise on first cleans and add ons then its obviously quicker.on maintenance cleans its marginal over the course of a day(roughly 30 mins a day).its not about making more money with a hot system for me,its about making the work easier and working days shorter......

[p1w1]

Seems even the people who use hot have different views of it some say it's makes them much quicker and some say it's not much quicker 
Reflections I see where hot water is of good benefit to you and probably a fair bit quicker  with working in a coastal town and all the salt on the windows. But i gaurantee if you came to me and cleaned identical houses where it's just the basic monthly dust and grime your not going to do it in half the time that's just nonsence.

It’s not nonsense my staff used to say the same untill they started using hot

[Dry Clean]

This has been discussed many times before so If you can't still see all the benefits of hot, then just stay cold and get get on with it.  I wish you all the best.  Unless it's a bit of the green eyed monster coming out?

Every hot water thread seems to get hi jacked.

It's also a nice USP too. The calls through my website has doubled since going hot.  That pays for it alone.

Diesel heaters have been done to death on here so its no surprise that they tend to get hi jacked, problem is its a lot more entertaining to read the stuff  hot users come out with when trying to justify the expense to themselves. lol.

[NWH]

Making your life more comfortable  hands warm on the pole supple hoses etc don’t get talked out of the fact that it actually cleans better because it does. This is not a debate it is fact if you want cleaner frames and glass buy a hot system,I don’t have a hot water system so I can wave my willy I have one because it does a better job the fact that you get th other benefits is just a bonus.

[NWH]

In my experience cold water cleaning on average dirty glass looks good from the ground but there’s a hell of a lot of guys on here that say they don’t do insides. When I was cold and went in to do insides my heart sometimes used to sink,I’m not saying cold doesn’t do a job because it does with a lot more scrubbing and can be faultless on hydrophilic glass but I want to know I’m using the best possible method to get them clean from the ground and that’s with using hot water. Like I say with cold water they look spotless from the ground until you get up close and see the brush strokes left on the odd dirty patch.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

This has been discussed many times before so If you can't still see all the benefits of hot, then just stay cold and get get on with it.  I wish you all the best.  Unless it's a bit of the green eyed monster coming out?

Every hot water thread seems to get hi jacked.

It's also a nice USP too. The calls through my website has doubled since going hot.  That pays for it alone.

Diesel heaters have been done to death on here so its no surprise that they tend to get hi jacked, problem is its a lot more entertaining to read the stuff  hot users come out with when trying to justify the expense to themselves. lol.

Maybe you should go back to trad with all that wasted money on wfp. 

[NWH]

You can’t teach an old dog new tricks my dad used to clean in sections with a blade until he saw me fanning Windows,that’s not how to clean windows he used to say. The amount of times I’d look through the front of a house window only to see him trying the same thing on the backs 😂,hots the same I bet there’s not a cold user that hasn’t been tempted to see what all the fuss is about.

[Dry Clean]

This has been discussed many times before so If you can't still see all the benefits of hot, then just stay cold and get get on with it.  I wish you all the best.  Unless it's a bit of the green eyed monster coming out?

Every hot water thread seems to get hi jacked.

It's also a nice USP too. The calls through my website has doubled since going hot.  That pays for it alone.

Diesel heaters have been done to death on here so its no surprise that they tend to get hi jacked, problem is its a lot more entertaining to read the stuff  hot users come out with when trying to justify the expense to themselves. lol.

Maybe you should go back to trad with all that wasted money on wfp. 

I could earn using both methods but I can justify wfp because its a safer method, you cant argue with logic. lol.

[NWH]

Don’t forget to check your cold work from inside eh might make you think again.

[tlwcs]

Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.

Tris

my earnings have been going  steadily upwards since i went wfp 8 years ago mate.ive tried gas heaters,trolleys,glass fibre poles,vikan brushes,etc.all sorts....

the whole point of going hot (with a decent heater thats not gonna potential set my van on fire)is to make my working day easier.no faffing about with gas bottles etc....and to keep my system frost free on cold nights....time saving wise on first cleans and add ons then its obviously quicker.on maintenance cleans its marginal over the course of a day(roughly 30 mins a day).its not about making more money with a hot system for me,its about making the work easier and working days shorter......

That said so have your expenses.
New vans do the same job as an old one, just more reliably. Hot water cleans more efficiently, there is no doubt.
We make choices on what we think is best

[Dry Clean]

Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.

Tris

my earnings have been going  steadily upwards since i went wfp 8 years ago mate.ive tried gas heaters,trolleys,glass fibre poles,vikan brushes,etc.all sorts....

the whole point of going hot (with a decent heater thats not gonna potential set my van on fire)is to make my working day easier.no faffing about with gas bottles etc....and to keep my system frost free on cold nights....time saving wise on first cleans and add ons then its obviously quicker.on maintenance cleans its marginal over the course of a day(roughly 30 mins a day).its not about making more money with a hot system for me,its about making the work easier and working days shorter......

This shows the typical foolishness when it comes to the logic of hot use,
A three bed semi in most of the UK will be anything from £8 to £15,
Lets take the bottom of £8 price first, at £5000 you will need to clean 625 properties to cover the original cost and roughly
another 150 properties a year to cover yearly running costs.
Lets take the higher price, at £15 you will need to clean 333 properties to cover the original cost and an extra 80 properties a year to cover the extra yearly expenses.
Some people need to read up on the meaning of making your life easier. lol.

[dazmond]

Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.

Tris

my earnings have been going  steadily upwards since i went wfp 8 years ago mate.ive tried gas heaters,trolleys,glass fibre poles,vikan brushes,etc.all sorts....

the whole point of going hot (with a decent heater thats not gonna potential set my van on fire)is to make my working day easier.no faffing about with gas bottles etc....and to keep my system frost free on cold nights....time saving wise on first cleans and add ons then its obviously quicker.on maintenance cleans its marginal over the course of a day(roughly 30 mins a day).its not about making more money with a hot system for me,its about making the work easier and working days shorter......

That said so have your expenses.
New vans do the same job as an old one, just more reliably. Hot water cleans more efficiently, there is no doubt.
We make choices on what we think is best

true but my earnings will be up most probably. ive seen a steady £2,000-£3,000+ increase EVERY year for 8 years now...so 24k a year more than i was earning 8 years ago....and virtually part time hours.....

[dazmond]

Dazmond I know you say hot is a luxury .
But in a business sense could you honestly say that your earnings are up now after having diesel heater fitted?
Not having a dig but I have used my immersion heater this week - worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday the weather was pretty bleak but warm water helped me to work in -3 .
It cost me know where near your system and I have completed my weeks work - up to date.

Tris

my earnings have been going  steadily upwards since i went wfp 8 years ago mate.ive tried gas heaters,trolleys,glass fibre poles,vikan brushes,etc.all sorts....

the whole point of going hot (with a decent heater thats not gonna potential set my van on fire)is to make my working day easier.no faffing about with gas bottles etc....and to keep my system frost free on cold nights....time saving wise on first cleans and add ons then its obviously quicker.on maintenance cleans its marginal over the course of a day(roughly 30 mins a day).its not about making more money with a hot system for me,its about making the work easier and working days shorter......

This shows the typical foolishness when it comes to the logic of hot use,
A three bed semi in most of the UK will be anything from £8 to £15,
Lets take the bottom of £8 price first, at £5000 you will need to clean 625 properties to cover the original cost and roughly
another 150 properties a year to cover yearly running costs.
Lets take the higher price, at £15 you will need to clean 333 properties to cover the original cost and an extra 80 properties a year to cover the extra yearly expenses.
Some people need to read up on the meaning of making your life easier. lol.

moneys not an issue though sean...ive been in this game for 25 years and now earning over double what i was  8 years ago for virtually part time hours.......

[Dry Clean]

Don’t forget to check your cold work from inside eh might make you think again.

LOL, I remember the traditional guys telling me to the same, obviously you must have listened to them.

[richard groves]

Its what its worth to you. There's no right or wrong. When wfp first became common place hot water systems were pretty much non existent . I'm sure there are plenty of cleaners out there still using cheap glass fiber poles . Still cleans the window the same. Its going to depend on your finances a lot as to wether or not you invest in a diesel hot water system. Personally I get by just fine with cold and can think of better things to spend 5k on that having nothing to do with my working life but if money was not an issue I may think differently and there's nothing wrong with that.