[nathankaye]

Got talking to this chap n his boss. Doing first cleans on a new building site for the builder and we were saying how stupid the design is for cleaning windows. (see other post)
Hes from Osset way and so he says he has 800customers that way and we got talking online payments etc, he dont seem too convinced by it.
But then he was telling me to put flyers round here but i said i werent interested as most dont want to pay as they get hit by the cheap brigade first.
Then he said something i had to bite my tongue on.
He said because hes trad he charges only £6 a house!!
(yes ive had some houses at 7 but they are front cleans not a full house.)
But why does he feel that he should charge low being trad because ofnot using wfp? If anything it should be more expensive. If a customer really wants me to use trad, i would charge 50% more than wfp.
What about you guys

[The Jester of Wibbly]

It doesn't bother me.  I focus on quality and value for money over cheap prices any day.  If a customer wants to put price first then they're not the rigtht client for me.  Totally different market.

His dislike to online payments says it all. Must be a cash only chap.

[Stoots]

I work in osset and yes these prices are everywhere.

If he and another lad are doing 800 a month at £6 average that's £4800 a month
Or £2400 each. Which isn't bad if they are only declaring £1000 each, which being cash only will probably be the case.


Obviously these types make it hard to charge a good wedge, unfortunately in Yorkshire they are rife.

Not much you can do really. I'd rather clean 20 houses a day wfp rather than 40 trad and not collect even if I'm a bit worse off declaring it.

[Dry Clean]

Who was the guy on here last week who hadnt been paid £25 for 5 cleans ? you know the one I'm thinking off, filled his round to
the rafters with cheap work and then set a minimum price when he had nothing to lose.
Tends to lecture on the importance of confident pricing. lol.

[mufcglen]

It doesn't bother me.  I focus on quality and value for money over cheap prices any day.  If a customer wants to put price first then they're not the rigtht client for me.  Totally different market.

His dislike to online payments says it all. Must be a cash only chap.

Spot on I’m the same, I learnt over the years to work smart not work harder!

[nathankaye]

Who was the guy on here last week who hadnt been paid £25 for 5 cleans ? you know the one I'm thinking off, filled his round to
the rafters with cheap work and then set a minimum price when he had nothing to lose.
Tends to lecture on the importance of confident pricing. lol.

Was it the same chap who put some ofhis old prices up by a minimum of five quid to fetch them to the up to date prices he has!
Or the same chap who gets new customers to sign up to go cardless.
Or even the same chap who came to his senses on pricing and implemented imediate change.
Yep, i think it is 

But the point was,   why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!?   The thread isnt necessarily about how much

[Simon Trapani]

...Or even why would you trad houses at all?

Investing in wfp was the best thing I ever did work wise. Don't think I'd be window cleaning now without it.

[Plankton]

I wouldn't read to much into what the guy said. You could have a wfp windy saying next week I charge less because I'm quicker and then the topic would be surely you should be more as your overheads are higher and it does a better job.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

Why do you care? Crack on and take care of your own interests.

[paul alan]

Who was the guy on here last week who hadnt been paid £25 for 5 cleans ? you know the one I'm thinking off, filled his round to
the rafters with cheap work and then set a minimum price when he had nothing to lose.
Tends to lecture on the importance of confident pricing. lol.

Was it the same chap who put some ofhis old prices up by a minimum of five quid to fetch them to the up to date prices he has!
Or the same chap who gets new customers to sign up to go cardless.
Or even the same chap who came to his senses on pricing and implemented imediate change.
Yep, i think it is 

But the point was,   why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!?   The thread isnt necessarily about how much

The answer has to be wfp overheads, they are by far and away higher than when traditional.

[Bungle]

Got talking to this chap n his boss. Doing first cleans on a new building site for the builder and we were saying how stupid the design is for cleaning windows. (see other post)
Hes from Osset way and so he says he has 800customers that way and we got talking online payments etc, he dont seem too convinced by it.
But then he was telling me to put flyers round here but i said i werent interested as most dont want to pay as they get hit by the cheap brigade first.
Then he said something i had to bite my tongue on.
He said because hes trad he charges only £6 a house!!
(yes ive had some houses at 7 but they are front cleans not a full house.)
But why does he feel that he should charge low being trad because ofnot using wfp? If anything it should be more expensive. If a customer really wants me to use trad, i would charge 50% more than wfp.
What about you guys

Are you Inspector Clouseau?

[DeLuce]

...Or even why would you trad houses at all?

Investing in wfp was the best thing I ever did work wise. Don't think I'd be window cleaning now without it.

Same here!! Totally agree with you there Simon

[CleanClear]

But the point was,   why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!?   The thread isnt necessarily about how much

When you watch some trad guys you'll know why they're cheap. Thats not a dig a good trad cleaners, i'm mereley pointing out that most cheap cleaners are trad. Cheap to set up, cheap to run......... and they make Terry Burrows look like a snail...................

[Plankton]

But the point was,   why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!?   The thread isnt necessarily about how much

When you watch some trad guys you'll know why they're cheap. Thats not a dig a good trad cleaners, i'm mereley pointing out that most cheap cleaners are trad. Cheap to set up, cheap to run......... and they make Terry Burrows look like a snail...................

How would you value a trad run that has hundreds of compact customers but with the lower prices mentioned above?

[CleanClear]

But the point was,   why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!?   The thread isnt necessarily about how much

When you watch some trad guys you'll know why they're cheap. Thats not a dig a good trad cleaners, i'm mereley pointing out that most cheap cleaners are trad. Cheap to set up, cheap to run......... and they make Terry Burrows look like a snail...................

How would you value a trad run that has hundreds of compact customers but with the lower prices mentioned above?

I wouldn't value buying any work. The idea of laying out even a thousand pound for a run, then working it for no wage just to get your money back before you even turn a profit from it seems nuts to me, but each to their own. And then maybe have to go collecting on a Friday evening or summat ? I'd sooner curl one off and stick me finger in it and have a taste.

[nathankaye]

But the point was,   why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!?   The thread isnt necessarily about how much

When you watch some trad guys you'll know why they're cheap. Thats not a dig a good trad cleaners, i'm mereley pointing out that most cheap cleaners are trad. Cheap to set up, cheap to run......... and they make Terry Burrows look like a snail...................

How would you value a trad run that has hundreds of compact customers but with the lower prices mentioned above?

I would still be asking why so low a price?
One chap near me wont put his prices up as he fears competition (his words not mine) and so he purposely keeps them low. But lets say he doubles his prices (which they need to be) and he loses half his round to competition, which he wont! But for arguement sake he does. Hes cleaning less houses for same money! So its still a win, win.
But lets say he hardly loses any work. Hes doubled his income and so doesnt need to take any more work on and no extra effort is needed.
So why work for lower, than the prices that i said.... It doesnt make sense. Even if it is a compact round

[Plankton]

But the point was,   why would you price traditional cleaning lesser than wfo cleaning. Why have that concept!?   The thread isnt necessarily about how much

When you watch some trad guys you'll know why they're cheap. Thats not a dig a good trad cleaners, i'm mereley pointing out that most cheap cleaners are trad. Cheap to set up, cheap to run......... and they make Terry Burrows look like a snail...................

How would you value a trad run that has hundreds of compact customers but with the lower prices mentioned above?

I would still be asking why so low a price?
One chap near me wont put his prices up as he fears competition (his words not mine) and so he purposely keeps them low. But lets say he doubles his prices (which they need to be) and he loses half his round to competition, which he wont! But for arguement sake he does. Hes cleaning less houses for same money! So its still a win, win.
But lets say he hardly loses any work. Hes doubled his income and so doesnt need to take any more work on and no extra effort is needed.
So why work for lower, than the prices that i said.... It doesnt make sense. Even if it is a compact round

I agree with that but would you gamble a good few grand on a run like that knowing the pros and cons.

[windowswashed]

Busy fool, just run himself into the ground, leave him to it, just concentrate on your own work.

[the king]

...Or even why would you trad houses at all?

Investing in wfp was the best thing I ever did work wise. Don't think I'd be window cleaning now without it.

im wfp and use it most of the time ,  but doing builders cleans you need to trad them as they need scraping

[windowswashed]

Someone acquired one of my jobs because they will do the insides. I'm not worried as I can't stand doing insides apart from a factory I clean regularly. Slows my routine down too much,  I wouldn't even do them for double the money as I can earn double the money doing outsides so why bother with the inconvenience of breaking a routine run of work just to try and catch somebody in to clean the insides.  Don't even do guttering, but love doing solar panels, get plenty of them