[CleanClear]

Well IMHO Lee answers questions from forum members so no problem in this corner of 100 acre wood.

Go back and look at Lee's posts...........did  you miss the ones where he charges about £250 or summat for his advice ? What sort of fool would pay that ? Well thats what i thought, until i seen Soupy been in contact with him........... now Soupy souter has about ten vehicles himself. Not that thats a benchmark or anything...............  Lee's sole aim is to tout himself as a guru. Lee doesn't do to much social media either, the results are often real and quick, and to be fair brutal too but lets have a look at Lee's foray into social media.........


"Haters"  that word again..... and Lee's OP on here? Yep..... "Haters".....



And after Lee's foray on to social media he set the place ablaze you can guess? Erm, no. He's never said no more.
I still scratch my head why you give him oxygen space here. A guy advertised here the other day for an employee, paying up to £15 per hour, he was asked what his agenda was....................


Odd that the same question wasn't asked of Lee?

[Walter Mitty]

10k. After tax per month? Not good?

Are you lot serious?

10k a month after tax is bordering on financial freedom for alot of people.

Especially if you dont have to do anything for it. The business runs itself.

Ashbash and Tom 01 The numptometer is swinging up into the red for you guys.

Anyone would have to do quite a lot for it still. The stress may be a bit less but it wouldn't be gone. When its yours, everything stops with you. Hence why I personally would want to see more than £10k from £800k.

To compare £10k and £800k is a tad misleading because you are looking at different timescales.  More accurate to compare £120k with £800k or £10k with £66.6k

That's true.  So £800k minus £680k in costs and tax.

It's a labour-intensive industry.  Wages will necessarily take a big chunk, especially if wishing to retain the better workers.

I agree. But the profit is very low. Maybe it's a pricing issue, or there's money being spent naively on things, or both perhaps.

I really couldn't say but I suppose it changes once someone reaches the point where others are doing the physical labour.  No harm spending money to experiment with ways of increasing profit; if something doesn't work out, you've tried something different rather than give it to the taxman.

[Arnold Palmer]

Go back and look at Lee's posts...........did  you miss the ones where he charges about £250 or summat for his advice ? What sort of fool would pay that ? Well thats what i thought, until i seen Soupy been in contact with him........... now Soupy souter has about ten vehicles himself. Not that thats a benchmark or anything...............

I needed advice on dealing with the water board. Not something many on here will have had to do on the same scale as me. In the end Lee couldn't really help, the set up is different in England.

Anyway he seemed like a nice bloke, very forthcoming with advice.

He's went for it, all in, cards on the table. I respect that.

[S.A.J]

Very interesting read and views!

Good going Lee (I remember your early days) you will get there and be happy with what you have   

I’d also be happy with 10k a month! In fact I’d be happy with 5k a month!!  I can live very comfortably on that and not have to worry (too much) about anything!

Will look forward to reading about this next year 

[Slacky]

Go back and look at Lee's posts...........did  you miss the ones where he charges about £250 or summat for his advice ? What sort of fool would pay that ? Well thats what i thought, until i seen Soupy been in contact with him........... now Soupy souter has about ten vehicles himself. Not that thats a benchmark or anything...............

I needed advice on dealing with the water board. Not something many on here will have had to do on the same scale as me. In the end Lee couldn't really help, the set up is different in England.

Anyway he seemed like a nice bloke, very forthcoming with advice.

He's went for it, all in, cards on the table. I respect that.

Not knocking anyone but haven’t we all  laid ‘our cards in the table’? 

Define - what is commitment to the cause? Really, everyone’s situation is different. We haven’t all got parents to fall back on and hole up with if we decide we’d like to give our career a big fat shot. Cards on the table for a lot of us was leaving an existing, stable and reliable income to go in to something we really didn’t know was going to work or be worthwhile. When you’ve been in the game a number of years and move in with your parents it’s not such a big risk.

I admire what Lee has done, he doesn’t like me, but that’s ok, I’ve apologised to him for what I said, but he hasn’t done a great deal more than a lot of us have or would given similar circumstances. The difference between Lee and others is he’s driven by success and challenge, most on here are happy to progress in one direction but not to the same degree as Lee.

He doesn’t come across as a particularly approachable character but at least he  doesnt come across like Catweazle.  Fair play.

[Jonny 87]

i was just looking at your figures with revenue from gutters etc.  I did read the post properly. You have 11 vans and there not full so someone needs to pull there finger out to earn the boss more money.   I only replied on what you have put.   The turnover is low for the staff and motors you have in place.  I know 10k a month take home is a lot of money but it does not sound like your actually doing that at the minute. My point being theres a time to stop throwing money at something when you have so many staff and a bussiness in place to make you more without the investment but people just having a bit  more about them.
Pricing better
working harder
up selling work better
generating work from the large bussiness you have
tell the people who are meant to take the stress out of the bussiness to shape up
you probably think i am trying to dig but in reality a feel a little sorry for you if you have  given a home up, took massive steps back in life to make the future better and you have guys and girls taking the pee. Either that or your just to soft

You have absolutly no idea what your talking about. Especially your last 2 sentences. Now re think your coments based on us cleaning with 8 vans out right now and marketing starting in april to get our last 3 out this summer. Once again when they are all out we will be at £65-£70k a month and I will take home the 10 previously mentioned. You feel sorry for me???

£10k take home for all that work isn't that amazing though tbh.

You say that, but remember lee has set things us so they now can run themselves.

Imagine having £10,000 deposited into your personal Account every month, and not having to be in the office every day, just work when you want to work, and keep your finger on the pulse.

I’d say it’s pretty good going for the few years of hard work to get it there.

[Arnold Palmer]

Not knocking anyone but haven’t we all  laid ‘our cards in the table’? 

You could be right, not me though. I'm risk averse.

Define - what is commitment to the cause? I don't know what you mean Really, everyone’s situation is different. We haven’t all got parents to fall back on and hole up with if we decide we’d like to give our career a big fat shot. Cards on the table for a lot of us was leaving an existing, stable and reliable income to go in to something we really didn’t know was going to work or be worthwhile. When you’ve been in the game a number of years and move in with your parents it’s not such a big risk.

Selling off a stable investment and plowing the whole lot into a domestic window cleaning company is risky.

I admire what Lee has done, he doesn’t like me, but that’s ok, I’ve apologised to him for what I said, but he hasn’t done a great deal more than a lot of us have or would given similar circumstances. The difference between Lee and others is he’s driven by success and challenge, most on here are happy to progress in one direction but not to the same degree as Lee.

Sorry, which is it? He's just done what a lot would do; or most would be happy to "progress in one direction"? They seem like opposite statements.

He doesn’t come across as a particularly approachable character but at least he  doesnt come across like Catweazle.  Fair play.

We yapped away for some time on the phone, he seems like a good guy.

[Slacky]

Not knocking anyone but haven’t we all  laid ‘our cards in the table’? 

You could be right, not me though. I'm risk averse.

Define - what is commitment to the cause? I don't know what you mean Really, everyone’s situation is different. We haven’t all got parents to fall back on and hole up with if we decide we’d like to give our career a big fat shot. Cards on the table for a lot of us was leaving an existing, stable and reliable income to go in to something we really didn’t know was going to work or be worthwhile. When you’ve been in the game a number of years and move in with your parents it’s not such a big risk.

Selling off a stable investment and plowing the whole lot into a domestic window cleaning company is risky.

I admire what Lee has done, he doesn’t like me, but that’s ok, I’ve apologised to him for what I said, but he hasn’t done a great deal more than a lot of us have or would given similar circumstances. The difference between Lee and others is he’s driven by success and challenge, most on here are happy to progress in one direction but not to the same degree as Lee.

Sorry, which is it? He's just done what a lot would do; or most would be happy to "progress in one direction"? They seem like opposite statements.

They are opposing statements. A lot would be happy to do what Lee has done, IMO, given similar circumstances, most don’t have those circumstances though. Leaving them in a position where they settle for a commitment that asks less of them.

He doesn’t come across as a particularly approachable character but at least he  doesnt come across like Catweazle.  Fair play.

We yapped away for some time on the phone, he seems like a good guy.

Additionally I’m sure if the circumstances were different for Lee he’d probably get to where he is now some other way.

[andyM]

Fairs fair, as far as I know Lee Pryor has taken all of the burden of his expansion on his own shoulders without any financial help from outside investors/sources.
Highly commendable considering some other "entrepreneurs" that shield themselves from risk by using and gambling with other people's money (crowd funders etc.).

     

[Marc Stock]

Go back and look at Lee's posts...........did  you miss the ones where he charges about £250 or summat for his advice ? What sort of fool would pay that ? Well thats what i thought, until i seen Soupy been in contact with him........... now Soupy souter has about ten vehicles himself. Not that thats a benchmark or anything...............

I needed advice on dealing with the water board. Not something many on here will have had to do on the same scale as me. In the end Lee couldn't really help, the set up is different in England.

Anyway he seemed like a nice bloke, very forthcoming with advice.

He's went for it, all in, cards on the table. I respect that.

What was the issue if you dont mind me asking?

[Arnold Palmer]

What was the issue if you dont mind me asking?

Just about price.

In Scotland the market is privatised, I assumed it was the same in England. Apparently not.

[Marc Stock]

What was the issue if you dont mind me asking?

Just about price.

In Scotland the market is privatised, I assumed it was the same in England. Apparently not.

Get a borehole. Its around 10k

[Arnold Palmer]

Get a borehole. Its around 10k

I'll get me spade.

[dazmond]

at the end of the day he s done what most of us cant,dont want(or darent) do....built a large window cleaning company and no doubt he ll continue to grow and make a very good living out of it...he s also given 11 people a job (as well as his office staff).he probably pays a decent wage too so his employees are more than likely to stay around a while...

me...?i couldnt be arsed with it all ..my goals and ambitions have all been realised at the age of 46..having a roof over my head,a new van and hot system,part time hours with very little stress,bills paid and money in the bank..a golf GTI to drive around in my leisure time,2 drum kits and a great band of mates to play music with,good health for my hobby of bodybuilding,my girlfriend and family and the dog!.....theres absolutely nothing else i need/want.....ill just continue to refine my work like ive been doing for years.....

[Arnold Palmer]

at the end of the day he s done what most of us cant,dont want(or darent) do....built a large window cleaning company and no doubt he ll continue to grow and make a very good living out of it...he s also given 11 people a job (as well as his office staff).he probably pays a decent wage too so his employees are more than likely to stay around a while...

me...?i couldnt be arsed with it all ..my goals and ambitions have all been realised at the age of 46..having a roof over my head,a new van and hot system,part time hours with very little stress,bills paid and money in the bank..a golf GTI to drive around in my leisure time,2 drum kits and a great band of mates to play music with,good health for my hobby of bodybuilding,my girlfriend and family and the dog!.....theres absolutely nothing else i need/want.....ill just continue to refine my work like ive been doing for years.....

What if you're fried by a solar panel and cant continue to work though?

[Marc Stock]

Thing is though Dazmond. You have an accident, you cant work. Your customers go elsewhere, you loose the GTI, possibly the roof over your head and life quickly spirals.

Lees aim was to set up his business so it becomes an asset to him with little or no input. If he has and accident now; well it doesnt matter becouse the business dosent rely on him to do the work. And can probbably get the best private medical care now too.

Thats what i want to get to also.

[robbo333]

I take people as I find them.
I have spoken with Lee on the phone, at quite some length and I thought he was a nice guy and very helpful.

[dazmond]

Thing is though Dazmond. You have an accident, you cant work. Your customers go elsewhere, you loose the GTI, possibly the roof over your head and life quickly spirals.

Lees aim was to set up his business so it becomes an asset to him with little or no input. If he has and accident now; well it doesnt matter becouse the business dosent rely on him to do the work. And can probbably get the best private medical care now too.

Thats what i want to get to also.

What's the point in worrying about something that might never happen?
I know window cleaners that have been cleaning over 50 years(on ladders too)and they look years younger than their age...nowt wrong with them... .

I don't worry about the 'what ifs'..you could make yourself ill!!!!!

[dazmond]

Thing is though Dazmond. You have an accident, you cant work. Your customers go elsewhere, you loose the GTI, possibly the roof over your head and life quickly spirals.

Lees aim was to set up his business so it becomes an asset to him with little or no input. If he has and accident now; well it doesnt matter becouse the business dosent rely on him to do the work. And can probbably get the best private medical care now too.

Thats what i want to get to also.

I wouldnt loose the roof over my head mate.id go on sickness benefit if I couldnt work and get housing benefit like half the scroungers that live round here.....

[Walter Mitty]

I'm going for 20 million this year.  I might just make it if I get out there canvassing new work.
Trouble is, it's Zimbabwean dollars.