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Stoots

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Becoming an employer
« on: January 29, 2018, 06:47:27 pm »
So i found a part time guy at last and he is due to start in two weeks.

Im actually excited but also really nervous/scared/unsure lol

What if it doesnt work out, hes too slow, its not profitable, he starts ringing in sick
what if i lose some work and cant afford to pay him, what if this or that lol

Its been quite a battle in my head to make the decision to employ, i still dont know if im making the right decision, will i love it, will i hate it etc.

I keep thinking about the different options. I could refine my round, stay on my own and earn more per hour but then do i want to be on the tools in 10 years time. So many Pros and cons to each scenario.


Anyway looks like ts a done deal now, job offer has been made, contracts drawn up and away we go.

wish me luck, i will either push on from here or i will end up like a few other that have tried it and gone back solo. Only time will tell i guess.

Arnold Palmer

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Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2018, 06:54:58 pm »
You'll love it, you'll also hate it.
#aliens

Don Kee

  • Posts: 4879
Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2018, 07:15:41 pm »
So i found a pert time guy at last and he is due to start in two weeks.

Im actually excited but also really nervous/scared/unsure lol

What if it doesnt work out, hes too slow, its not profitable, he starts ringing in sick
what if i lose some work and cant afford to pay him, what if this or that lol

Its been quite a battle in my head to make the decision to employ, i still dont know if im making the right decision, will i love it, will i hate it etc.

I keep thinking about the different options. I could refine my round, stay on my own and earn more per hour but then do i want to be on the tools in 10 years time. So many Pros and cons to each scenario.


Anyway looks like ts a done deal now, job offer has been made, contracts drawn up and away we go.

wish me luck, i will either push on from here or i will end up like a few other that have tried it and gone back solo. Only time will tell i guess.

Now now, stop checking him out and focus.

You remember all that time on your own you had? The time you had all to yourself when working, away from the hassle from the wife and kids?
You’ll miss it, trust me; get him in a van asap!!!  ;D
Why don't you have a quick google before making stupid comments?

Johnny B

  • Posts: 2385
Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2018, 07:18:02 pm »
Hope it works well for you Adam.

While you're training him up, you need to accept that he'll be more a hindrance than a help until he's learned the ropes. That won't be his fault, that's just the way it is.

Be patient, train him well, and you'll be fine.

My golden rule would be to never make him do anything you wouldn't do yourself.

John
Being diplomatic is being able to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.

simon w

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Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2018, 07:31:38 pm »
Don't let your worker know or think your nervous, scared or unsure.  Now's the time to start thinking and acting like a boss.

Give it your best.

As the boss all the negatives listed will be your responsibility to put right. Be a good manager, role model  and lead by example

Stoots

  • Posts: 6213
Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2018, 07:32:47 pm »
So i found a pert time guy at last and he is due to start in two weeks.

Im actually excited but also really nervous/scared/unsure lol

What if it doesnt work out, hes too slow, its not profitable, he starts ringing in sick
what if i lose some work and cant afford to pay him, what if this or that lol

Its been quite a battle in my head to make the decision to employ, i still dont know if im making the right decision, will i love it, will i hate it etc.

I keep thinking about the different options. I could refine my round, stay on my own and earn more per hour but then do i want to be on the tools in 10 years time. So many Pros and cons to each scenario.


Anyway looks like ts a done deal now, job offer has been made, contracts drawn up and away we go.

wish me luck, i will either push on from here or i will end up like a few other that have tried it and gone back solo. Only time will tell i guess.

Now now, stop checking him out and focus.

You remember all that time on your own you had? The time you had all to yourself when working, away from the hassle from the wife and kids?
You’ll miss it, trust me; get him in a van asap!!!  ;D

Thats the plan mate, he drives and has a clean licence so hopefully a few months down the line i will get him out on his own.

Og

Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2018, 07:38:44 pm »
Get a second van ASAP.

Good luck! Don’t forget his pension rights.......

Slacky

  • Posts: 8284
Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2018, 09:05:30 pm »
He'll be gone in 3 weeks.

Steven Biggs

  • Posts: 1350
Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2018, 09:57:29 pm »
 ;D with half your work  ;D

dazmond

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Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2018, 10:26:37 pm »
you ll probably go through 10 workers before you find a half decent one.....and then if he has half a brain  he ll start up himself and leave you in the lurch after a year or so..... ;D
price higher/work harder!

Matt.

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Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2018, 10:55:41 pm »
It's all true .....  ;D

All them thoughts running through ur brain, well that's how life becomes.


Steven Biggs

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Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2018, 05:55:20 am »
And before you know it he will be living in your house , and you will be asking in him what time he wants to start .  ;D

Marc Stock

Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2018, 08:09:05 am »
Good luck Adam.

I will be very interested how it works out. As i am also looking to go down that route this year too. 

Keep us posted. But yes get a second van asap.


NWH

  • Posts: 16952
Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2018, 10:51:47 am »
Dazmond what you have said in jest is so so true in every sense,just because you’ve employed someone it means nothing you will need to kiss a lot of frogs first m8 before you get anywhere near to sending them out on there own. I don’t know anyone who’s got a result with at least the first 3/4 blokes they’ve taken on I never would just take someone straight in the books I’d want them with me for a couple of months first off the books if you know what I mean,then if you like them they like you get the pen out but not till your half sure.

jo5hm4n

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Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2018, 11:19:34 am »
Your employee will never be as good or as thorough as you but if you find a hard worker then it has its benefits.

There will always be pros and cons.  Give it time atleast 3-6 months before you throw the towel in if its not working.  Also expect you may have to go through upto 5 workers to find a good one.

All the best keep us updated!

NWH

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Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2018, 11:47:59 am »
Yeah I agree you are starting to employ good on you my Mrs does all the paperwork regarding it just had to deal with the new pension scheme,just 1 little thing among other things. Have you done all your figures ie how much more you’ll need to earn to make it worth it etc it’s way more than just double I found double just left me with help with little profit ok the day is easier but financially your hardly any beeter off.

Stoots

  • Posts: 6213
Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2018, 12:05:32 pm »
Yes I can see what you are saying about having someone off the books at first.

But not everyone wants cash in hand work,  some want a proper job.

I picked the guy I did for a few reasons.

First one was out of about 20 interested lads he was one of only 4 who didn't want cash in hand, they wanted a permanent job.

He was one of the very few  who sent me a CV as requested.

He has been at his current part time  job 3 years and only looking to change as he wants a day time job.

He wants to be on the books as he has children.

He is flexible, can work any day Monday to Friday (which means we can work around the weather) and has a clean licence.

I took him out for the day and we got on well, he listened, did as I asked and seemed keen for the job. I did notice an improvement at the end of the day in his technique. Seemed to pick it up fairy quickly.

The way I see it by putting him on the books and him leaving his other job he is making a commitment to me. Likewise I am making a commitment to him but what's to say a cash in hand lad doesn't just leave you in the lurch after a month or so either.

End of the day there will be a probationary period in his contract along with what is expected of him and if it doesn't work then it doesn't work. You can only do so much.


Stoots

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Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2018, 12:16:12 pm »
Yeah I agree you are starting to employ good on you my Mrs does all the paperwork regarding it just had to deal with the new pension scheme,just 1 little thing among other things. Have you done all your figures ie how much more you’ll need to earn to make it worth it etc it’s way more than just double I found double just left me with help with little profit ok the day is easier but financially your hardly any beeter off.

Regarding the payroll I'm looking into doing it myself however I've found a company that can do the payroll for me for £18 a month with an initial £50 setup . That's dealing with the pension etc include. I just tell them the hours worked and they send me the payslip.

He will only be on a  16 hours a week contract. The advice I got and the figures I am working off is his salary being 33% of the turnover he makes.

So if I pay him 50 he does me 150 in turnover working on his own.

Working with me he probably won't make that much but I don't really know until I've tried.

The idea is to have home with me 3 days a week for 5-6 hours a day. This should enable me to complete my 5 day week in 3 days (eventually) which means I then get to work filling up the other 2.


NWH

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Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2018, 04:24:14 pm »
What your saying is all true and in theory it works perfectly well the trouble is in practice it never does,if it did I would employ employ oh and employ. If you can find someone that is savvy enough to able to do it to a good standard be able to be trusted to look after equipment-vehicle and be able to remember where all the jobs are he’s got to do give him to me please lol. Like I say if it sounds to good to be true it usually is,I’m not saying you won’t find someone I did but had 10 or so complete Pratt’s before him.

Stoots

  • Posts: 6213
Re: Becoming an employer
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2018, 05:29:26 pm »
What your saying is all true and in theory it works perfectly well the trouble is in practice it never does,if it did I would employ employ oh and employ. If you can find someone that is savvy enough to able to do it to a good standard be able to be trusted to look after equipment-vehicle and be able to remember where all the jobs are he’s got to do give him to me please lol. Like I say if it sounds to good to be true it usually is,I’m not saying you won’t find someone I did but had 10 or so complete Pratt’s before him.

Yeah i understand their are pitfalls and thats why its not been an easy decision, and why i said im still uncertain because ive  never done it before and theres only so much information you can gather frrm others. Sometimes you just have to jump in at the deep end and see for yourself. 

I felt exactly the same when i quit my job to go self employed, i was scared to death of failure, but i made that work so i think i can make this work as well.

Watch him not turn up now on his start date  :D