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carl stanton

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2018, 08:49:56 am »
Quote from: Alan Ritchie on January 09, 2018, 06:29:18 pm
Just about to order the sale brushes on Gardiners £18.60 each.
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/the-supreme-medium-brush.html
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/super-lite-compact-brush-1747.html

Thanks this! Just ordered a couple.

And to answer the topic on hand I use Gardiner ‘ultimate’ and ‘supreme’.
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Slacky

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2018, 09:06:29 am »
Quote from: dazmond on January 10, 2018, 08:45:40 am
got my 8 brushes delivered this morning.just need to screw on quik lock fittings from old brushes/spares.i think ill do that on saturday when i change my microbore. :)

8 brushes? Daz you're window cleaning, not a feckin' hairdresser.
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the king

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2018, 05:23:49 pm »
im hot water user i have loads in the van but found the ultmate stiff the best all round and the ultmate flocked for leaded ,extreme hibrid for my super max 47, ive got some heavy ones i no longer use, super lite flocked and medium, tecbuk hibrid ,gardner sill flocked,turbo brush
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dazmond

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2018, 06:26:04 pm »
SL (STIFF  DUAL TRIM)- mainly used for larger jobs with deep ledges on a carbon gooseneck or really dirty first cleans

SL(FLOCKED DUAL TRIM)-used for solar panels on a 90 degree carbon gooseneck

ULTIMATE(STIFF DUAL TRIM)-regular work

ULTIMATE(FLOCKED SINGLE TRIM)-leaded windows/wooden windows

XTREME(STIFF)-mainly used for awkward angle window work and F/S/G cleans



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robbo333

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2018, 06:44:24 pm »
My favourite is the extreme natural bristle (bad elbows and Coeliac decease) means I prefer a lighter brush.

However since my diagnosis last year, I have put weight on and am getting stronger (Yay!) So today I tried an ultimate medium (very scratchy over the glass but good) and an ultimate flocked (again very good but very slow over the glass). It was exciting stuff!  :o

But...I prefer my extreme natural bristle. I think the scrubbing is better and the reduced weight makes it quicker and easier. I did a first clean this morning with an extreme stiff (behave yourselves!) and it worked great.

I may take a leaf out of Nathan's book (I said book not video!!!) and try a 35cm brush with 4 jets.  ;D

PS I use an old extreme flocked brush on leaded and it's fantastic (why don't they make these anymore?). I also have a brand new one I bought years ago and haven't used yet!

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dazmond

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2018, 07:02:36 pm »
Quote from: robbo333 on January 10, 2018, 06:44:24 pm
My favourite is the extreme natural bristle (bad elbows and Coeliac decease) means I prefer a lighter brush.

However since my diagnosis last year, I have put weight on and am getting stronger (Yay!) So today I tried an ultimate medium (very scratchy over the glass but good) and an ultimate flocked (again very good but very slow over the glass). It was exciting stuff!  :o

But...I prefer my extreme natural bristle. I think the scrubbing is better and the reduced weight makes it quicker and easier. I did a first clean this morning with an extreme stiff (behave yourselves!) and it worked great.

I may take a leaf out of Nathan's book (I said book not video!!!) and try a 35cm brush with 4 jets.  ;D

PS I use an old extreme flocked brush on leaded and it's fantastic (why don't they make these anymore?). I also have a brand new one I bought years ago and haven't used yet!

ive just binned 2 of them natural bristle extremes after limited usage.great scrubbing power for a light brush but the natural bristles clump together and this renders them useless after a short time.the hot water destroyed them and finished them off! ::)roll
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robbo333

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2018, 07:14:24 pm »
Daz, that's a shame, I don't use hot water (wish I did, but I can't park the van near the house). I think my brushes last well considering.
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robbo333

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2018, 07:47:35 pm »
Daz, following on from my previous post, I think, at the moment, all brushes are designed with cold water in mind.

I think what Alex does, is work out which brushes will 'best suit' hot water and recommend those. And fair play to him.

There are so many hot water users now (I would like to be one of them) that there needs to be a brush that can take hot water but still have a suppleness and flexibility about it, with that gentle 'caress' of the glass; basically the scrubbing power without the harshness. Possibly a very difficult 'nut to crack'.

Over to you Alex; a 'hot water' range of brushes!
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Alex Gardiner

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2018, 08:21:42 pm »
Quote from: robbo333 on January 10, 2018, 07:47:35 pm
Daz, following on from my previous post, I think, at the moment, all brushes are designed with cold water in mind.

I think what Alex does, is work out which brushes will 'best suit' hot water and recommend those. And fair play to him.

There are so many hot water users now (I would like to be one of them) that there needs to be a brush that can take hot water but still have a suppleness and flexibility about it, with that gentle 'caress' of the glass; basically the scrubbing power without the harshness. Possibly a very difficult 'nut to crack'.

Over to you Alex; a 'hot water' range of brushes!

The reason for having introduced the Stiff version brushes was for hot water use by clients - many clients like the feel of these on the glass with hot water.

By nature when heated the bristle materials become softer. However hot water users use varying temperature water - so what is supple and flexible for one hot water user at 50°C for another user at 30°C may not feel supple or 'caressing' enough.

To cater for this we would have to introduce a range of varying stiffness brushes - perhaps at 30°C, 40°C and 50°C - so the current Stiff versions could be the 50°C brush and then degrees of stiffness down from that to our current medium-mixed versions.

It would be a challenge to accurately address each of these temperature bands without confusing the brush choice even further  ;D






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P @ F

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2018, 08:56:06 pm »
^^^ My thoughts exactly  ;D ;D ;D
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robbo333

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2018, 10:02:17 pm »
Quote from: Alex Gardiner on January 10, 2018, 08:21:42 pm
Quote from: robbo333 on January 10, 2018, 07:47:35 pm
Daz, following on from my previous post, I think, at the moment, all brushes are designed with cold water in mind.

I think what Alex does, is work out which brushes will 'best suit' hot water and recommend those. And fair play to him.

There are so many hot water users now (I would like to be one of them) that there needs to be a brush that can take hot water but still have a suppleness and flexibility about it, with that gentle 'caress' of the glass; basically the scrubbing power without the harshness. Possibly a very difficult 'nut to crack'.

Over to you Alex; a 'hot water' range of brushes!

The reason for having introduced the Stiff version brushes was for hot water use by clients - many clients like the feel of these on the glass with hot water.

By nature when heated the bristle materials become softer. However hot water users use varying temperature water - so what is supple and flexible for one hot water user at 50°C for another user at 30°C may not feel supple or 'caressing' enough.

To cater for this we would have to introduce a range of varying stiffness brushes - perhaps at 30°C, 40°C and 50°C - so the current Stiff versions could be the 50°C brush and then degrees of stiffness down from that to our current medium-mixed versions.

It would be a challenge to accurately address each of these temperature bands without confusing the brush choice even further ;D

Alex, thank you for your reply.

I am sure that if there is anyone 'best placed' to address these issues and meet the challenges, then you are, without doubt, 'the man' to do so.

Happy New Year to you and all your staff.

P.S. To save confusion you could call them:
Hot 30 range
Hot 40 range
Hot 50 range

It seems to be the way the industry is going!  SWOT analysis and all that!
You could even sell a device, so window cleaners could accurately tell the temperature of the water at the brush head!
Oh how I love (hate) marketing!  ;D
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dazmond

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2018, 10:14:34 pm »
Quote from: robbo333 on January 10, 2018, 07:47:35 pm
Daz, following on from my previous post, I think, at the moment, all brushes are designed with cold water in mind.

I think what Alex does, is work out which brushes will 'best suit' hot water and recommend those. And fair play to him.

There are so many hot water users now (I would like to be one of them) that there needs to be a brush that can take hot water but still have a suppleness and flexibility about it, with that gentle 'caress' of the glass; basically the scrubbing power without the harshness. Possibly a very difficult 'nut to crack'.

Over to you Alex; a 'hot water' range of brushes!

im not daft mate i know which brushes work better will cold/hot water etc.

the xtreme natural bristle brushes clumped together with cold water but the hot water made them even worse! ::)roll ;D
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robbo333

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2018, 10:21:29 pm »
Don't remember saying you were daft!  ::)roll
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Stoots

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2018, 10:23:04 pm »
I use the sextremes, everything else is too heavy
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richard groves

Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2018, 07:16:08 am »
I've got two brushes, a black one with soft bristles and fan jets ( leaded windows and fascias ) and a white one with medium bristles and pencil jets. They are both from Gardiners but beyond that I can't remember or really care, they do what they are meant to do, good enough for me. At the end of the day ......... its a brush.
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jonboywalton75

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2018, 07:41:41 am »
Daz, for the money you spend on brushes, I could put together a nice diy van, tank system 😂
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dazmond

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2018, 08:30:33 am »
Quote from: jonboywalton75 on January 11, 2018, 07:41:41 am
Daz, for the money you spend on brushes, I could put together a nice diy van, tank system 😂

 ;D ;D ;D

or window cleaning cart......

do you have a white unsigned transit van by the way mate?
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jonboywalton75

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2018, 08:32:09 am »
No it's a Transit Custom, sign written
You can see it on
Cheshirewindowcleaner.co.uk
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dazmond

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2018, 08:46:48 am »
ah...i thought id seen you around...it must be another chancer....... ;D ;D
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dazmond

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Re: What brushes do you use
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2018, 08:52:13 am »
Quote from: jonboywalton75 on January 11, 2018, 08:32:09 am
No it's a Transit Custom, sign written
You can see it on
Cheshirewindowcleaner.co.uk

good website jon....how old are you now mate?....you look good for your age but you must be semi retired by now?
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