[paul alan]

If the rain is hitting the windows I don't work. All you jokers claiming that you've educated your customers, or is it clients
#letsmakesimplewindowcleaningintoanartform#

WRONG!

[paul alan]

So if your not going to work in the rain then what are you going to do if it rains each month on the same day?

On average most customers get 4 weekly cleans, we get a lot more than 12 days per year rain. Lets just say although it is unlikely that it rains on each of them occasions are you not going to clean that round for a year??

Do you really think 1 day of rain is going to put the windows back into the same condition it took them a month to get into??

I see it this way, if the windows are being cleaned x12 per year they are never going to get into a bad state, as opposed to some windows that have not been cleaned in a year.

If the windows are not 100% clean after each visit and are say, 85-90% clean instead then at the end of that year what difference does it make??

In my opinion it will make a huge difference between windows that are being cleaned monthly to windows that are not being cleaned at all, you got to look at the bigger picture.

[AuRavelling79]

Shame there is not a "Sometimes" box to tick.

I tell my customers I will work in light drizzle or when there is the odd shower about. If they say "no" then I will not take them on. If they have been told beforehand I have never had a problem with them when I do.

When I employed Dan the Man I sent a flyer explaining that the round had grown and we need to work through drizzle and light rain. I also included the infamous 24 hour guarantee which stated that I would return to clean any rain marked windows.

In three years I had one call. I asked which side is affected and went back and cleaned six windows. I've never had a re-call since.

1. Will it mark the glass?

Round my way if I take a tds of the water that comes off of my conservatory roof after it has run through the gutter into a water butt and into a measuring jug it varies between about 010 and 030.

If I collect in a jug direct from the sky it's been as low as 005.

Rain only marks glass over a period of time and if it coming in at an angle, is carrying (eg) desert sand/road muck/pollution/sea water.

So a bit of common sense tells me that the wind speed, direction and local micro environment are the key elements to whether glass will be marked on the day you clean.

2. Do I want to?

I will work in "straight down" drizzle on non-windy days. As I work about 3 to 4 days I can nearly always choose not to work in heavier rain if I want to avoid it. But I do work through showers which can be quite windy.

[Dry Clean]

All this business about rain making the windows dirty is the type of stubborn old thinking that I expect customers to have, not other window cleaners on wfp systems.

Have you ever collected rain water and tested it with your tds meter? I suggest you do! But not from your down pipe as that will collect further dirt from the roof tiles etc.
Yes, for rain to form it does need dust particles but test some rain water in a cup and share the info on here.
Then take into account how we clean with wfp compared to using soap etc with traditional equipment and you will find your answer.

I clean in the rain and I clean every four weeks and guess what? Im cleaning virtually clean windows and frames every time!  Its amazing really because it rains quite a bit within the 4wks between visits and according to you lot, I should be cleaning filthy windows.............. Dont figure   

35 properties in 5 hours with 200lts of water, I suggest you look up the meaning of the word clean. lol.

[Dry Clean]

So if your not going to work in the rain then what are you going to do if it rains each month on the same day?

On average most customers get 4 weekly cleans, we get a lot more than 12 days per year rain. Lets just say although it is unlikely that it rains on each of them occasions are you not going to clean that round for a year??

Do you really think 1 day of rain is going to put the windows back into the same condition it took them a month to get into??

I see it this way, if the windows are being cleaned x12 per year they are never going to get into a bad state, as opposed to some windows that have not been cleaned in a year.

If the windows are not 100% clean after each visit and are say, 85-90% clean instead then at the end of that year what difference does it make??

In my opinion it will make a huge difference between windows that are being cleaned monthly to windows that are not being cleaned at all, you got to look at the bigger picture.

Iv seen 6 months of dirt being deposited on windows in a few hours, (storms, desert sand, just a few examples ) there's cleaning in the rain and there's cleaning in the rain, a good shiner will know when to call it a day.

[lee_dewing]

Have worked in the rain and I don't like it.

Basically you should be able to complete your round in a 4 day week.

16 days a month.

I'm still refining my work base now so I can earn better over a 14 day period.

I have a bit too much work and I'm gonna reorganize my round over the Xmas holidays.

The worst paying work will be done after everything else is complete.

AsI live in an area of the country that enjoys alot less rain than others and I believe you can get a good round completed in a month I wouldn't want to upset good customers and risk losing good work.

I can always save the lesser worth work for damp days😁

As said, I'm a rain hitting the windows, go home.

Above Intermittent rain wiper speed on the van.
Equals home time.

Maybe if I lived in a wetter climate I would have go out in the rain but I feel customers say in Manchester would understand a window cleaner working in the rain ☔ more than where I live.

If I decided on boosting income more I would do add ons after my 14 day schedule was completed.

I.e fsg cleaning or connies or get a gutter vac.

That's the plan been ploding too long.
Room for improvement.

Starting with a van that works?😁😁

[nathankaye]

All this business about rain making the windows dirty is the type of stubborn old thinking that I expect customers to have, not other window cleaners on wfp systems.

Have you ever collected rain water and tested it with your tds meter? I suggest you do! But not from your down pipe as that will collect further dirt from the roof tiles etc.
Yes, for rain to form it does need dust particles but test some rain water in a cup and share the info on here.
Then take into account how we clean with wfp compared to using soap etc with traditional equipment and you will find your answer.

I clean in the rain and I clean every four weeks and guess what? Im cleaning virtually clean windows and frames every time!  Its amazing really because it rains quite a bit within the 4wks between visits and according to you lot, I should be cleaning filthy windows.............. Dont figure   

35 properties in 5 hours with 200lts of water, I suggest you look up the meaning of the word clean. lol.

   
Not gonna nit pick over figures given. Just simply if i dont leave the windows clean, I wouldnt be still working for over 15yrs with compact rounds or great reviews on my website.
Hahah, oh thats right, its because im cheap as chips and the customer dont care if they pay for clean windows and dont get them 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I do love the humour though

But back on topic,    look on my page under FAQ   topic: why do i clean windows in the rain!?   I educate and let my customers know with the exception if sand storm etc that the rain doesnt interfere with the clean I am doing and give them the usual 24hr guarantee.

[nathankaye]

OR....

Many have had the snow and some didnt work in it which would have put some of you behind. But afterwards we had rain, so what did you do? Question is for the ones who dont work in the rain because they feel it damages their rep or their quality.
From reading on different forums, many hadno choice but to go out and earn or to play catch up. So did you go round apologising for doing so    or did you get alot of call backs because of doing a bad job?   Im guessing the answer is no to both the questions. Which begs believe at the stand which you take about working in the rain

[p1w1]

Shame there is not a "Sometimes" box to tick.

I tell my customers I will work in light drizzle or when there is the odd shower about. If they say "no" then I will not take them on. If they have been told beforehand I have never had a problem with them when I do.

When I employed Dan the Man I sent a flyer explaining that the round had grown and we need to work through drizzle and light rain. I also included the infamous 24 hour guarantee which stated that I would return to clean any rain marked windows.

In three years I had one call. I asked which side is affected and went back and cleaned six windows. I've never had a re-call since.

1. Will it mark the glass?

Round my way if I take a tds of the water that comes off of my conservatory roof after it has run through the gutter into a water butt and into a measuring jug it varies between about 010 and 030.

If I collect in a jug direct from the sky it's been as low as 005.

Rain only marks glass over a period of time and if it coming in at an angle, is carrying (eg) desert sand/road muck/pollution/sea water.

So a bit of common sense tells me that the wind speed, direction and local micro environment are the key elements to whether glass will be marked on the day you clean.

2. Do I want to?

I will work in "straight down" drizzle on non-windy days. As I work about 3 to 4 days I can nearly always choose not to work in heavier rain if I want to avoid it. But I do work through showers which can be quite windy.

Pretty much same as me. You talk a lot of sense for a moderater 

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Has anyone asked there customers opinion. They may not 'mind' you cleaning them in the rain because they do not have another option at the moment.
What if a company with high quality cleaning standards and  excellent value for money pricing structure (not cheap but not too expensive), 'popped' up in your area, who do not clean in the rain. Do you think some of your customers would defect once the word got out??
If such a company existed, surely they would not bother to record information at the point of contact with their new customer regarding there present or past window cleaning service or needs and wants?
Why would this information be of value to them? 
Just a thought.

[nathankaye]

Has anyone asked there customers opinion. They may not 'mind' you cleaning them in the rain because they do not have another option at the moment.
What if a company with high quality cleaning standards and  excellent value for money pricing structure (not cheap but not too expensive), 'popped' up in your area, who do not clean in the rain. Do you think some of your customers would defect once the word got out??
If such a company existed, surely they would not bother to record information at the point of contact with their new customer regarding there present or past window cleaning service or needs and wants?
Why would this information be of value to them? 
Just a thought.

Because depending on ones rotation, a customer may only get their windows cleaned perhaps once or twice within a year in the rain

[p1w1]

Has anyone asked there customers opinion. They may not 'mind' you cleaning them in the rain because they do not have another option at the moment.
What if a company with high quality cleaning standards and  excellent value for money pricing structure (not cheap but not too expensive), 'popped' up in your area, who do not clean in the rain. Do you think some of your customers would defect once the word got out??
If such a company existed, surely they would not bother to record information at the point of contact with their new customer regarding there present or past window cleaning service or needs and wants?
Why would this information be of value to them? 
Just a thought.

There called the beer brigade   .
You can't let the customer dictate how you wish to run things however if you explain to them exactly how you work in the beginning then there should never really be a problem. If you simply let the customer know in the beginning on how you work they can choose there and then if they want to use your services.  I will always tell them at the beginning i offer a regular monthly or bi-monthly service and will work in light to medium rain if i believe it won't affect the results of the clean (when it rains when its not windy its very rare it actually hits the glass anyway and it certainly doesnt clean the frames).

[Missing Link]

OR....

Many have had the snow and some didnt work in it which would have put some of you behind. But afterwards we had rain, so what did you do? Question is for the ones who dont work in the rain because they feel it damages their rep or their quality.
From reading on different forums, many hadno choice but to go out and earn or to play catch up. So did you go round apologising for doing so    or did you get alot of call backs because of doing a bad job?   Im guessing the answer is no to both the questions. Which begs believe at the stand which you take about working in the rain

If you're so desperate to work in the rain, why are you posting at 10.42 am and 2.17 pm?

That indicates to me that you have some slack, and if it was raining now, you could knock off, go to the gym or something, and catch up when it's not raining.

And if you haven't some slack, I'd suggest a price increase and create some.  Any idiot can work their socks off.

We'll work in the rain, but that's just mostly when we're caught out.  Or if there's been a prolonged period of rain.  But usually, we'll not, and we'll just catch up when it's dry.

[nathankaye]

OR....

Many have had the snow and some didnt work in it which would have put some of you behind. But afterwards we had rain, so what did you do? Question is for the ones who dont work in the rain because they feel it damages their rep or their quality.
From reading on different forums, many hadno choice but to go out and earn or to play catch up. So did you go round apologising for doing so    or did you get alot of call backs because of doing a bad job?   Im guessing the answer is no to both the questions. Which begs believe at the stand which you take about working in the rain

If you're so desperate to work in the rain, why are you posting at 10.42 am and 2.17 pm?

That indicates to me that you have some slack, and if it was raining now, you could knock off, go to the gym or something, and catch up when it's not raining.

And if you haven't some slack, I'd suggest a price increase and create some.  Any idiot can work their socks off.

We'll work in the rain, but that's just mostly when we're caught out.  Or if there's been a prolonged period of rain.  But usually, we'll not, and we'll just catch up when it's dry.

Yep, i have time for hot drinks n talking to my customers and certainly not racing round to get the next job done.   Im saying that ones shouldnt be scared to work in the rain but for me I dont mind because I want the days off when I want them off. So for instance if its a week where i finish wednesday or thursday and it rains on monday.  I have a choice not to work because I dont have to, but it takes away the long wknd which I like for family time and so I will work in the rain so I have the time off on my say so.

My argument above is as stated, ones on here and other threads say how it will damage reputation or it will make windows dirty. But at some point im sure these ones have had no choice but to work in the rain. Whats been the results? Im sure no reputation has been damagaed and im sure the windows werent a mess. Therefore concluding that their thinking was incorrect

[Steve Newres]

OR....

Many have had the snow and some didnt work in it which would have put some of you behind. But afterwards we had rain, so what did you do? Question is for the ones who dont work in the rain because they feel it damages their rep or their quality.
From reading on different forums, many hadno choice but to go out and earn or to play catch up. So did you go round apologising for doing so    or did you get alot of call backs because of doing a bad job?   Im guessing the answer is no to both the questions. Which begs believe at the stand which you take about working in the rain

If you're so desperate to work in the rain, why are you posting at 10.42 am and 2.17 pm?

That indicates to me that you have some slack, and if it was raining now, you could knock off, go to the gym or something, and catch up when it's not raining.

And if you haven't some slack, I'd suggest a price increase and create some.  Any idiot can work their socks off.

We'll work in the rain, but that's just mostly when we're caught out.  Or if there's been a prolonged period of rain.  But usually, we'll not, and we'll just catch up when it's dry.

Why don’t you work in the rain?

[NWH]

If it’s drizzle I will work but I don’t work in consistent rain unless I have work booked in I wouldn’t turn up at a regular job if it was hammering it down with rain,I’ll park up and wait for it to stop and then crack on. I think it’s just the British way of thinking it may have stopped 10 minutes before you turn up and customers except that but if you’d had come 15 minutes before it would have been frowned upon,it’s the way people are.

[KS Cleaning]

All this business about rain making the windows dirty is the type of stubborn old thinking that I expect customers to have, not other window cleaners on wfp systems.

Have you ever collected rain water and tested it with your tds meter? I suggest you do! But not from your down pipe as that will collect further dirt from the roof tiles etc.
Yes, for rain to form it does need dust particles but test some rain water in a cup and share the info on here.
Then take into account how we clean with wfp compared to using soap etc with traditional equipment and you will find your answer.

I clean in the rain and I clean every four weeks and guess what? Im cleaning virtually clean windows and frames every time!  Its amazing really because it rains quite a bit within the 4wks between visits and according to you lot, I should be cleaning filthy windows.............. Dont figure   

Why would I want to go to the trouble of collecting rainwater when I have a much easier and accurate way of checking if the rain leaves marks on windows, I simply look out of my living room window and hey presto! the answer is staring me in the face. Funnily enough I also have a few cars on my drive that are often spotless before the rain comes then after the rain passes guess what? they are left with marks once it dries up.
If you want to work in heavy rain  and your customers are happy for you to do so then bash on, but you need to stop kidding yourself on that you are some kind of window cleaning guru.

[dazmond]

So if your not going to work in the rain then what are you going to do if it rains each month on the same day?

On average most customers get 4 weekly cleans, we get a lot more than 12 days per year rain. Lets just say although it is unlikely that it rains on each of them occasions are you not going to clean that round for a year??

Do you really think 1 day of rain is going to put the windows back into the same condition it took them a month to get into??

I see it this way, if the windows are being cleaned x12 per year they are never going to get into a bad state, as opposed to some windows that have not been cleaned in a year.

If the windows are not 100% clean after each visit and are say, 85-90% clean instead then at the end of that year what difference does it make??

In my opinion it will make a huge difference between windows that are being cleaned monthly to windows that are not being cleaned at all, you got to look at the bigger picture.

there is some segments of my work where it seems like every time i clean them its raining!

[Steve Newres]

All this business about rain making the windows dirty is the type of stubborn old thinking that I expect customers to have, not other window cleaners on wfp systems.

Have you ever collected rain water and tested it with your tds meter? I suggest you do! But not from your down pipe as that will collect further dirt from the roof tiles etc.
Yes, for rain to form it does need dust particles but test some rain water in a cup and share the info on here.
Then take into account how we clean with wfp compared to using soap etc with traditional equipment and you will find your answer.

I clean in the rain and I clean every four weeks and guess what? Im cleaning virtually clean windows and frames every time!  Its amazing really because it rains quite a bit within the 4wks between visits and according to you lot, I should be cleaning filthy windows.............. Dont figure   

Why would I want to go to the trouble of collecting rainwater when I have a much easier and accurate way of checking if the rain leaves marks on windows, I simply look out of my living room window and hey presto! the answer is staring me in the face. Funnily enough I also have a few cars on my drive that are often spotless before the rain comes then after the rain passes guess what? they are left with marks once it dries up.
If you want to work in heavy rain  and your customers are happy for you to do so then bash on, but you need to stop kidding yourself on that you are some kind of window cleaning guru.

The cars on the drive isn’t exactly scientific. Were they just cleaned and therefore no dust at all? The test would be cleaning them in the rain and seeing what they look like after.

[KS Cleaning]

All this business about rain making the windows dirty is the type of stubborn old thinking that I expect customers to have, not other window cleaners on wfp systems.

Have you ever collected rain water and tested it with your tds meter? I suggest you do! But not from your down pipe as that will collect further dirt from the roof tiles etc.
Yes, for rain to form it does need dust particles but test some rain water in a cup and share the info on here.
Then take into account how we clean with wfp compared to using soap etc with traditional equipment and you will find your answer.

I clean in the rain and I clean every four weeks and guess what? Im cleaning virtually clean windows and frames every time!  Its amazing really because it rains quite a bit within the 4wks between visits and according to you lot, I should be cleaning filthy windows.............. Dont figure   

Why would I want to go to the trouble of collecting rainwater when I have a much easier and accurate way of checking if the rain leaves marks on windows, I simply look out of my living room window and hey presto! the answer is staring me in the face. Funnily enough I also have a few cars on my drive that are often spotless before the rain comes then after the rain passes guess what? they are left with marks once it dries up.
If you want to work in heavy rain  and your customers are happy for you to do so then bash on, but you need to stop kidding yourself on that you are some kind of window cleaning guru.

The cars on the drive isn’t exactly scientific. Were they just cleaned and therefore no dust at all? The test would be cleaning them in the rain and seeing what they look like after.

My car is valeted on my drive once a week by one of my customers so I know when it's clean and when it's not. I can't carry out your scientific test because for some reason he doesn't clean cars when it's raining, can't for the life of me work out why not. I think he really needs to join some car cleaning forum where the members say  it's ok to clean  cars in all weathers