[Jonny 87]

If you watch the gas stop videos - any leaks and it shuts off the gas supply - end of

Sorry tris but that’s not correct.

https://youtu.be/ImVhMcjSrsQ

It can help you “detect” a small gas leak, but it certainly does not shut off at any leak as you seem to think.

The possibility is still there, that if your not on the ball and checking after every job, a leak could occur, and like mine, catch fire on the burner.

Far too much risk for me, especially after investing in a new van and system to use something that isn’t fit for purpose.

It all goes back to insurance. I’m yet to see ANY insurance provider give it in writing that you are covered, while working away from the van.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

I know there are a few that think some of us are stupid when investing so much in diesel systems.....

...but you can't put a price on your own saftey let alone others.  If you're happy to take the risk and pay larger insurance premiums each year then go for it.

[Missing Link]

Daz, have you tried hitting it with something heavy like a hammer or one of your m00bs?

[DeLuce]

I think you have brought up another issue here Tony. If you spend your hard earned £4000- £5000 on a diesel unit and we get a few mild winters i would be a little cheesed off.

 With the gas boilers little outlay and if you do have a bad winter it comes into play.
But no hardship if you have a few mild winters.

T

At the moment, I use an immersion heater set-up, 2kw. I use it every day. I don't have it as hot as you can get it with diesel heater users. But I much prefer cleaning the glass with hotter water. I personally feel it does a more thorough job, if not just a bit quicker. Certainly it's quicker on the bird poop and fly dots, snail trails.
So, wether mild or not, it gets switched on because I prefer it. I don't really think it's a waste of money just because we have milder winters.  In fact, I think it is a safe and sensible investment for cleaning windows quickly and efficiently in all weather.

[P @ F]

I think you have brought up another issue here Tony. If you spend your hard earned £4000- £5000 on a diesel unit and we get a few mild winters i would be a little cheesed off.

 With the gas boilers little outlay and if you do have a bad winter it comes into play.
But no hardship if you have a few mild winters.

T

At the moment, I use an immersion heater set-up, 2kw. I use it every day. I don't have it as hot as you can get it with diesel heater users. But I much prefer cleaning the glass with hotter water. I personally feel it does a more thorough job, if not just a bit quicker. Certainly it's quicker on the bird poop and fly dots, snail trails.
So, wether mild or not, it gets switched on because I prefer it. I don't really think it's a waste of money just because we have milder winters.  In fact, I think it is a safe and sensible investment for cleaning windows quickly and efficiently in all weather.

I assume  this is fitted to van tank ?
How long do you leave it on for , what size tank , and what temp do you get to in tank and at brush head ?  Please 

[Og]

If you’re that desperate for hot water, just t off the hot water in the house and insulate your tank well?

I’m happy with cold. Makes me work faster ‘cause my hands are numb and need to get back in the van.

[DeLuce]

I assume  this is fitted to van tank ?
How long do you leave it on for , what size tank , and what temp do you get to in tank and at brush head ?  Please 
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Hi P@F,
I've got it on a 500ltr tank in the van,yeah.  I usually have it going for 8-10hrs straight and get 50-60 degrees  in  the tank. At the brushhead, I don't know, it's quite warm, not tepid,neither too hot that your hand wants to recoil. But it keeps the hoses supple and gets  the marks off the glass and frames quite well.
I know cold works fine. I just prefer the warmer water.  I also know, from feedback, that hot is more efficient yet. That's why I'm pondering the move that Daz and others have made. Also, if I have a diesel system it saves me the wires and electric hook up. Not that big a deal, but I think I'd prefer it. 

[tlwcs]

I assume  this is fitted to van tank ?
How long do you leave it on for , what size tank , and what temp do you get to in tank and at brush head ?  Please 

Hi P@F,
I've got it on a 500ltr tank in the van,yeah.  I usually have it going for 8-10hrs straight and get 50-60 degrees  in  the tank. At the brushhead, I don't know, it's quite warm, not tepid,neither too hot that your hand wants to recoil. But it keeps the hoses supple and gets  the marks off the glass and frames quite well.
I know cold works fine. I just prefer the warmer water.  I also know, from feedback, that hot is more efficient yet. That's why I'm pondering the move that Daz and others have made. Also, if I have a diesel system it saves me the wires and electric hook up. Not that big a deal, but I think I'd prefer it.
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I'm the same as you Rigsby. The only thing for me is ours setups are simple. 4.5k on something that if it goes wrong will cost a lot more in downtime than the repair.
Tony

[dazmond]

Why will it? These heaters hardly ever go wrong and even if they do from time to time you can still work with cold water. Like Nigel says once your familiar with how they work you can repair most little niggles/problems  yourself.

[P @ F]

They only go wrong on the first day , after that its trouble free eh Daz 

[P @ F]

I think you have brought up another issue here Tony. If you spend your hard earned £4000- £5000 on a diesel unit and we get a few mild winters i would be a little cheesed off.

 With the gas boilers little outlay and if you do have a bad winter it comes into play.
But no hardship if you have a few mild winters.

T

At the moment, I use an immersion heater set-up, 2kw. I use it every day. I don't have it as hot as you can get it with diesel heater users. But I much prefer cleaning the glass with hotter water. I personally feel it does a more thorough job, if not just a bit quicker. Certainly it's quicker on the bird poop and fly dots, snail trails.
So, wether mild or not, it gets switched on because I prefer it. I don't really think it's a waste of money just because we have milder winters.  In fact, I think it is a safe and sensible investment for cleaning windows quickly and efficiently in all weather.

I assume  this is fitted to van tank ?
How long do you leave it on for , what size tank , and what temp do you get to in tank and at brush head ?  Please 

Just stick one in your tank heat the water and go for it, he will be saying cold doesn't work, the £4.5k guys will be saying lukewarm doesn't work, the additive guys will be saying hot doesn't work and the ppb guys will be saying ppm hot or cold doesn't work.
I could repeat the whole thing over again with different flows and brushes adding more to the mix.
Its great that window cleaning is becoming more technical its sad that it still attracts more than its fair share of idiots.
I don't mean you when I say that.

HeHe , I just like to explore all avenues really , I have had 7 years trouble free from an L5 so im happy that what i am doing is safe , may well blow me to poope in the morning but i dont reckon it will to be honest 

I like on demand , if i had a drive i may well try immersion , but as i dont i cant , i like the thought of a tank of pure that i can pump through an NG boiler sited off my mains and fill each morning , but that is not possible at the mo either , im just going with what is doable at present .
 

[Spruce]

They only go wrong on the first day , after that its trouble free eh Daz 

Its nothing to do with the heater. Its Ford who have changed the inside return pipe design. By taping into the return fuel line to the tank, I presume Grippa believed that it's end was 3/4s into the tank as you would expect. But if Daz hasn't been getting fuel to the heater, then it would appear that Ford have now ended that return pipe at the top of the tank.

I would be interested to know what Fords new solution is to this. On further reflection, I can, to an extent, understand why the manufacturers would bulk at the idea of drilling a hole into the plastic tank and fitting a Webasto standpipe into it.

[LBWCS]

Can you have one fitted with a separate diesel tank? So you can use red diesel in it?

[p1w1]

not advisable to use red diesel on them

[DeLuce]

not advisable to use red diesel on them

On yeah, there was a thread about the perils of using red diesel in your heater.
I think it caused a coking issue due to the additive in the red.

[dazmond]

Oliver has fitted out loads of these newer connects with these systems but never had this problem before. He ll just have to go into the tank from another spot. I'm sure it'll get sorted.

The heater works great with the engine running 

[NWH]

With the engine running ? I know that when I first had mine fitted the people said that the diesel pump was strange as it looked like it had to be fitted back to front,why is it working fine with engine running all that would do would produce more charge surely.

[Splash & dash]

With the engine running ? I know that when I first had mine fitted the people said that the diesel pump was strange as it looked like it had to be fitted back to front,why is it working fine with engine running all that would do would produce more charge surely.

I think it is running the boiler off the fuel returning to the tank with the engin running it will have fuel to draw on , with the engin off it cannot run as Ime guessing it cannot draw fuel from the tank as the return isn’t into the fuel just the top of the tank if that makes sense

[dazmond]

With the engine running ? I know that when I first had mine fitted the people said that the diesel pump was strange as it looked like it had to be fitted back to front,why is it working fine with engine running all that would do would produce more charge surely.

No idea Nigel but oliver says it's a fuel issue. He knows it runs great with the engine running but as soon as I turn the engine off within 5mins the heater gets starved of diesel and it goes off.

[NWH]

I know it doesn’t look as tidy but I run mine from a separate diesel tank now since I changed vans,originally I had it plumbed to the fuel tank but with VWs it can be more hassle with all the protection under the van it’s got covers covering most of the underneath. I was just miffed because the pump just draws diesel and pumps into the unit it’s a bit weird it stops pumping when the vans not running if there’s diesel there and the pumps working it should draw diesel,maybe it’s the original problem they had fitting mine.