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Dazzler3370

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Question For Alex Gardiner
« on: November 19, 2017, 09:31:44 am »
Hi Alex,
Im a member on other forums, which you are getting ALOT OF VERY BAD reviews on, with regards to your customer service. Apparently you are banning people from further orders who have returned products to you, which have either been faulty or not happy with the product.
As I always use your company for pretty much all my WFP products, this is very alarming news. Surely this its not the way your customer service operates is it....?? I could understand it if it was one or two reviews but its LOTS of people who are saying have been banned from purchasing from your company.
Firstly I'm sure you would like to know this and Secondly could you shed some light on the matter.

Dazzler 
 
Dazzler

tlwcs

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2017, 10:09:23 am »
Yes I read that also.
I guess if Alex chooses not to supply people for whatever reason, then thats his prerogative. (I'm sure when he's dumped someone, he replaces them with two more)
Social media, it is what it is unfortunately.
Tony

Slacky

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2017, 10:15:41 am »
Maybe it’s lies too. You see some dreadful stuff posted on some FB groups about shiners attitudes to customers.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2017, 10:18:31 am »
Hi Alex,
Im a member on other forums, which you are getting ALOT OF VERY BAD reviews on, with regards to your customer service. Apparently you are banning people from further orders who have returned products to you, which have either been faulty or not happy with the product.
As I always use your company for pretty much all my WFP products, this is very alarming news. Surely this its not the way your customer service operates is it....?? I could understand it if it was one or two reviews but its LOTS of people who are saying have been banned from purchasing from your company.
Firstly I'm sure you would like to know this and Secondly could you shed some light on the matter.

Dazzler

Hi Dazzler

Thanks for asking this question. I am aware that on some of the unregulated Facebook groups there have been some rather inaccurate posts being made about us over the last few days -this does happen from time to time when someone wants to sound off if they feel aggrieved or have not received from us exactly what they wanted and in the exact way they wanted it.

As you have been using our company for some time now I am sure that you have experienced our usual excellent standard of customer service. We have over 11,000 customers and we work hard to provide a high standard of customer service, with courteous and knowledgeable staff. This standard of service is applied to all clients whether we are helping customers with their first order or whether handling warranty replacements.

We do have an excellent warranty program on our own products and the products we supply. As we are selling tools into the commercial market these are generally subject to a return to base warranty as is standard with most re-sellers in these types of industries. This means that if a warranty issue occurs the product will need to be returned for examination and then repair or replacement. However we are often able to 'shortcut' this by means of photos or videos showing the issue - sometimes then we are able to replace without the need for return - however this does not replace the return to base warranty and we will often still need the faulty item back to assess - sometimes this is so that we can learn from the failure and other times so that we can return to the manufacturer or supplier.

Sometimes a client simply will not send back the faulty part, even when their postage costs are being covered and they have already received a replacement part. On occasions then we will raise an invoice for these parts until they have been sent back - this is also fairly standard practice and even Amazon have now started doing this - the difference with Amazon is that they automatically charge your credit card after 30 days if the alleged faulty part is not returned or is returned and found not to be faulty (we do not do this!)

So why have a very few clients found themselves banned from doing business with us?

A very few will find that they have been on a temporary hold until an outstanding invoice is settled - if they have found this then they will usually have gone through a process of being reminded to either return a part or to settle the old invoice. This temporary hold is only taken after communication with them about this. If it is regarding a broken part then before sending the new part out they will have been told to keep the old part to return to us.

There are only 2 reasons that we have ever put clients on a permanent exclusion from doing business with us:

1. Fraud - yes unfortunately this does happen from time to time with stolen cards, disappearing goods etc.

2. Abuse - we have a zero-tolerance policy to abuse within our company. We aim to always treat our clients with courtesy, respect and tolerance, even when the exchange with them is stressful. Unfortunately, even after being warned there are a small number of clients who have been persistently threatening, abusive or aggressive - this can include the use of texts, phone, emails or social media. We do not tolerate any such threats or abuse either written or verbal to us or our staff regardless of the circumstances. So after suitable warning if such behaviour or attitude persist, once we have fully resolved whichever issue is being dealt with we inform them that we do want to continue to do business with them. Often this is not believed until the next time they try and order from us.

So in summary there are those that have been banned from doing business with us  - this is not because of any warranty issues ever - it is only because of either fraud or abuse.
One thing we all appreciate is that when running your own business, you can choose whom to do business with. Sometimes we exercise this freedom within our sales business just as I used to when window cleaning.

I hope that this has reassured you and we are very happy to say that the majority of our customers are a delight to deal with and very professional.

tlwcs

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2017, 10:23:02 am »
The best bit is as much as they bitch about you, they still buy your products by using a mates address. Class

Og

Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2017, 10:23:07 am »
Can’t please all the people all the time eh Mr G?

Just like cleaning windows.

Arnold Palmer

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2017, 10:30:48 am »
Having read a Facebook post on this my initial thought was one of disbelief. I've been using Gardiners for a few years and I've never had an issue with customer service, quite the opposite.

My only gripe would be the resistance to discuss issues over the phone. I prefer to deal over the phone, Gardiners preferred method of communication seems to be via email, the reasons for which becoming apparent I guess.

Slacky

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2017, 10:34:47 am »
I prefer phone too. If I need to talk to staff and there’s no answer I’ve always received a return call within 20 minutes.

Stoots

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2017, 10:54:41 am »
Sounds odd to me as that's the first I've heard anyone bad mouthing Gardiner's in the 3-4 years I've been active of various cleaning forums and FB pages all I've ever heard is how good Gardiner's customer service compared to a lot of others.

The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2017, 10:58:32 am »
I have found Gardeners to be exceptional. 

No issues for me but if I did I would be professional about it as they seem to be professional too when ever I needed some advise.


Hey Alex,  off the subject a bit.  Are you planning anything for Black Friday?
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Alex Gardiner

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2017, 11:08:28 am »
I have found Gardeners to be exceptional. 

No issues for me but if I did I would be professional about it as they seem to be professional too when ever I needed some advise.


Hey Alex,  off the subject a bit.  Are you planning anything for Black Friday?

Nothing specific planned for Black Friday.

Have just put a selection of brushes on a half price sale though  :)

Alex Redworth

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2017, 11:10:06 am »
It’s a shame that you view me and many others as problem customers

I personally have never abused any staff, the ban came after Gardiners  refunded money in good faith for a faulty reel

I sent items back at my own cost for Gardiners to inspect which was within the 12 month gurentee

They sent back replacement parts which didn’t fit correctly so we did what we could with what they provided

We waited weeks maybe even up to a month for a broken to get sorted

It would of been much easier to just replace the reel quick turn around instead of all the back and forth emails to see who was in the right or wrong

In fact we just ended up buying another one whilst the damaged reel was being inspected as it was taking so long to replace and we couldn’t afford any longer to go without due to being a reel down

And since then that claber reel has also gone down.

Yes Gardiners kit are good but not perfect they have their clause

I think Alex Gardiner seems to think that all his products are not faulty and having to pay out to replace stuff he doesn’t like

I know I’m not a one off case just somebody who feels the need to speak out about this to warn others. Hopefully this will raise awareness of Gardiners bad customer care and they will change their ways and help customers more proactively rather than cause them problems which really can be avoided

We all have business to run and have heavily invested into Gardiners equipment so when something doesn’t work it has a knock on effect on your business so needs rectifying quickly

Like I said belive who you want, I can only raise awareness .

The fact that Alex Gardiner is making out all these other people are lieing about why they have been banned speaks volumes and incorrect, Gardiners just don’t seem to want to listen and will carry on what they want to do regardless of others feelings or views
 
AR

Arnold Palmer

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2017, 11:19:26 am »
Do Gardiners manufacture claber reels?

֍Winp®oClean֍

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2017, 11:26:12 am »
Never had any issues with Gardiners in 14 years of using them. However, I have witnessed people who are affiliated with rival companies wilfully spouting nonsense on forums in what I can only assume is an attempt to discredit them or their products! I recall one slagging a particular design off- only then to try and replicate it on their own products!
You can't please everyone, every time but as far as I am concerned Gardiner's lead the way in terms of both products and customer service!
Comfortably Numb!

֍Winp®oClean֍

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2017, 11:35:34 am »
I also don't do FB for anything other than family and friends. We might have a few spats/disagreements/character conflicts on here but FB is a whole new level of bad, childish behaviour- often descending into something lower than I am prepared to enter!
Comfortably Numb!

Shrek

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2017, 11:45:04 am »
Gardiners is awesome, the first time I dealt with them years ago - I was actually shocked how much they help you.
Keep up the good work Alex 👍

The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2017, 11:51:38 am »
I also don't do FB for anything other than family and friends. We might have a few spats/disagreements/character conflicts on here but FB is a whole new level of bad, childish behaviour- often descending into something lower than I am prepared to enter!



Totally agree.  I am amazed when I look through sponsored or popular page posts to see so many idiots trying to stir things. Some people will argue for the sake of arguing.

That's social media. People hide behind a screen.  Similar to road rage where people feel secure in there metal box.
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zesty

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2017, 01:39:39 pm »
I’ve had nothing but 1st class excellent products and services from Gardiners.

It is impossible to please everyone, no matter what business you run.

We must also remember that people are very immature these days and love to spout off criticism to others. Which to me, is childish.

For every bad customer, Alex probably has 1000 good customers.

The 1000 keep quiet because there happy, the 1 will always create a big fuss.


Tristan R Clean

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2017, 02:19:09 pm »
When I think back over the years to what Gardiner have done for the window cleaning industry . The innovations as regards the poles and other products have made other companies up there game.
I have had nothing but excellent service from Gardiner and even the odd freebie to keep my bonce warm😁
Keep up the good work

Tris

Simon Trapani

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Re: Question For Alex Gardiner
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2017, 02:41:17 pm »
Totally agree. NEVER had a problem with Gardiners in the 8 years or so I’ve used them. Alex & his staff go way above and beyond in customer service. Always my first stop for anything window cleaning. Can’t praise them enough.