[Og]

If you want 40k for doing sod all, you'll need to smash through the vat.

[LT carpet cleaning]

If you want 40k for doing sod all, you'll need to smash through the vat.

It is amazing the bs brigade who are
Scared of vat. The same who boast of earnings but are so desperate that they work in the pouring rain.

[Og]

I was in the rain today, changed my clothes twice! Easier to clean pv in the wet.

[Stoots]

If you want 40k for doing sod all, you'll need to smash through the vat.

It is amazing the bs brigade who are
Scared of vat. The same who boast of earnings but are so desperate that they work in the pouring rain.

bit of a daft statement. which part of the thread is BS? and who is scared of VAT?

If you work through the rain, you will earn more money ? so how is that a bad thing?

[dazmond]

This time of year is when you get the summer only customers saying can you leave it until spring as well so you have to replace them as well as trying to find new work.  If employing for such little profit I personally wouldn't bother and just stay self employed without the added stress. If you're going to employ then make sure you get customers paying regularly as cash flow is even more important when paying employees to keep going. Make sure it's run professionally for decent prices to pay decent wages because you won't get reliable employees on average pay who are reliable because this job can be hard work in all weathers with moaning customers when the weather turns late autumn until spring.

whats "summer only" customers?all my customers windows  are cleaned all year round.

[dazmond]

If you want 40k for doing sod all, you'll need to smash through the vat.

It is amazing the bs brigade who are
Scared of vat. The same who boast of earnings but are so desperate that they work in the pouring rain.

bit of a daft statement. which part of the thread is BS? and who is scared of VAT?

If you work through the rain, you will earn more money ? so how is that a bad thing?

partington is a troll adam have you not noticed before? .....he s never got anything good/useful to say

[Stoots]

If you want 40k for doing sod all, you'll need to smash through the vat.

It is amazing the bs brigade who are
Scared of vat. The same who boast of earnings but are so desperate that they work in the pouring rain.

bit of a daft statement. which part of the thread is BS? and who is scared of VAT?

If you work through the rain, you will earn more money ? so how is that a bad thing?

partington is a troll adam have you not noticed before? .....he s never got anything good/useful to say

Oh ok, i see, so you could say hes part of the BS brigade? 

[windowswashed]

This time of year is when you get the summer only customers saying can you leave it until spring as well so you have to replace them as well as trying to find new work.  If employing for such little profit I personally wouldn't bother and just stay self employed without the added stress. If you're going to employ then make sure you get customers paying regularly as cash flow is even more important when paying employees to keep going. Make sure it's run professionally for decent prices to pay decent wages because you won't get reliable employees on average pay who are reliable because this job can be hard work in all weathers with moaning customers when the weather turns late autumn until spring.

whats "summer only" customers?all my customers windows  are cleaned all year round.

So are mine, any ask for summer only get dropped and replaced, not worth bothering with, no loyalty, no customer.
I was referring to new start ups discovering for the first couple years who are genuine all year round customers and those who only want summer cleans as one doesn't know how customers turn out untillate autumn/winter time. Then these summer customers wonder why they can't get widow cleaners, haha. I don't take on summer only customers and let them know from the start it's annual or not at all.

[LT carpet cleaning]

If you want 40k for doing sod all, you'll need to smash through the vat.

It is amazing the bs brigade who are
Scared of vat. The same who boast of earnings but are so desperate that they work in the pouring rain.

bit of a daft statement. which part of the thread is BS? and who is scared of VAT?

If you work through the rain, you will earn more money ? so how is that a bad thing?

partington is a troll adam have you not noticed before? .....he s never got anything good/useful to say

Oh ok, i see, so you could say hes part of the BS brigade?

Not remotely. I Just see through all the lies and ridiculousness on here.

But it’s all moot. The fantasists can get ill working in the rain because they are chasing pennies whilst boasting. I care not.

[Stoots]

So you are calling BS and lies but rather than pointing out what your are refering to so we can be enlightened you simply say it's all moot I don't care.

Sounds to me like you just wanted to stir the pot with nothing significant to add to the topic.

Good for you

[Marc Stock]

In my experience if you start putting off customers because of a little bit of rain they take that as a green light to mess you about.

If it's light-moderate rain I just carry on with my waterproofs on.

That comment about chasing the pennies uncalled for imo. We all know no one is stupid enough to charge literally  pennies..

[KS Cleaning]

Its all an adventure though Daz   

It doesnt really matter whos right or wrong or if it will work out or not, whether you want to be a billionaire and have free time to go fishing everyday or sit on the dole and go fishing everyday... none of it matters in the end, its all a pointless passing of time until the inevitable.

Heres the thing though Daz, if i try and create a system where i dont have to work for a living i will have a much higher chance of achieving it than if i do nothing and say, nah it`ll never happen its too hard why bother trying, may as well just clean windows forever.

Nothing wrong with having goals Adam they just have to be sensible and realistic, for instance there's a very successful shiner
in my area who has around 25 employees and no longer spends any time on the glass but there's not a chance in hell that
he could have done it with 2.
If you where to pay your employees a decent wage you could probably achieve your goals with 4 or 5 employees instead of 2 and end up with a more  reliable business, doing it on the cheap will get you nothing but an unreliable business that could and probably will fall to pieces with the slightest hiccup.

Sean has just about nailed it right there IMO. Then the question is can you secure enough customers to support 4 or 5 employees?

[LT carpet cleaning]

So you are calling BS and lies but rather than pointing out what your are refering to so we can be enlightened you simply say it's all moot I don't care.

Sounds to me like you just wanted to stir the pot with nothing significant to add to the topic.

Good for you

It’s obviously too difficult for you.

Never mind.

[Stoots]

So you are calling BS and lies but rather than pointing out what your are refering to so we can be enlightened you simply say it's all moot I don't care.

Sounds to me like you just wanted to stir the pot with nothing significant to add to the topic.

Good for you

It’s obviously too difficult for you.

Never mind.

Seems simple to me, you are talking poo poo and trying to cover it up with smart "I'm too clever to give a straight answer" remarks is only showing up your lack of thought when you started typing.

[LT carpet cleaning]

So you are calling BS and lies but rather than pointing out what your are refering to so we can be enlightened you simply say it's all moot I don't care.

Sounds to me like you just wanted to stir the pot with nothing significant to add to the topic.

Good for you

It’s obviously too difficult for you.

Never mind.

Seems simple to me, you are talking poo poo and trying to cover it up with smart "I'm too clever to give a straight answer" remarks is only showing up your lack of thought when you started typing.

So I was right then.

Never mind.

[Stoots]

So you are calling BS and lies but rather than pointing out what your are refering to so we can be enlightened you simply say it's all moot I don't care.

Sounds to me like you just wanted to stir the pot with nothing significant to add to the topic.

Good for you

It’s obviously too difficult for you.

Never mind.

Seems simple to me, you are talking poo poo and trying to cover it up with smart "I'm too clever to give a straight answer" remarks is only showing up your lack of thought when you started typing.

So I was right then.

Never mind.

This is hard work isn't it.

Thanks for your input.

[LBWCS]

Back on topic. If you have a formula to make a decent profit per employee and managing them and the business is not going to give you too much stress (it would for me) then why not replicate it? Clearly Lee has done this to great success. Its not the life for me and Im sure Lee doesn't begrudge me that! Any ideas of how running a second/third van etc with success is a good contribution to the forum and defiantly a good talking point