[Stoots]

Adam thompson.

Just a thought here.. your canvasser is defiently not taking you for a mug is he? Giving you random numbers houses and names etc?.

Do you ring the non payers?

youd prob find less problems if you canvassed yourself but you may pick up alot less work in theory it kinda balances out maybe

Yes I've canvassed myself a bit and had less problems. that said I've had Messer's doing it that way too.

I just found it too hard going, I was out all day and only picking up 2-3. Couldn't seem to find an easy area, it was like everyone had a windy. Plus I really don't enjoy doing it.
 

[Crystal-clear]

Adam thompson.

Just a thought here.. your canvasser is defiently not taking you for a mug is he? Giving you random numbers houses and names etc?.

Do you ring the non payers?

youd prob find less problems if you canvassed yourself but you may pick up alot less work in theory it kinda balances out maybe

Yes I've canvassed myself a bit and had less problems. that said I've had Messer's doing it that way too.

I just found it too hard going, I was out all day and only picking up 2-3. Couldn't seem to find an easy area, it was like everyone had a windy. Plus I really don't enjoy doing it.

Basically keep doing what you're doing one thing which will largely reduce the non payers is arranging a time and date for the first clean (don't slip them) also do that for the second clean I would also insist that first cleans are (1 cash on the day or 2) per paid via bacs you should be firm on that they will respect you more trust me because knocking cleaning and even letting them pay whenever they like for a dirty first clean psychologically some people get a power trip

it's extreanly rare that a customer refuses to pay for a first or second clean if they are in so that will considerably reduce the rip offs
However I know the down side of it is you may be in this area on Monday doing 3/4 houses one of the 4 houses wants Tuesday but Tuesday you're 10 miles away it's annoying and potentially it may even work out better that you accept getting ripped off on that one house financially if you didn't drive back you could have made more

you have to weigh it up time is money personally for the sake of your sanity I would just allow the customer to some what dictate the first 2 dates offer them before or after midday you can't do much with the 10:15 gang or 2:45 on the dot so try go half way once those difficult custys see you turn up 2 times do it and pay you then they should be okay to pay you on a slip or cancel and pay you on the second time
This will reduce the non payers now some canvassers get upset when they hear you want to meet them all on the first clean just explain its so you can be paid , they'll be worried in case you batter them into regular one of the reasons why you pick up 2-3 and they 10 you're being careful canvassers need to put bread on their table so everything gets booked and you go off numbers it works just expect problems
Well arranging dates for first cleans helps a lot ! It might end up costing you the same as being ripped off in extra fuel costs but moral stays higher and your stress lvls are lower which is most important  good canvassers won't have a problem with them being in .

Ps if you go for fronts those are the only jobs if you're canvassing that you should just clean and open yourself up to a rip off its just not worth arranging times and dates for those just do them they're fast and it defo works out better but full houses strictly no

[dazmond]

Adam thompson.

Just a thought here.. your canvasser is defiently not taking you for a mug is he? Giving you random numbers houses and names etc?.

Do you ring the non payers?

youd prob find less problems if you canvassed yourself but you may pick up alot less work in theory it kinda balances out maybe

Yes I've canvassed myself a bit and had less problems. that said I've had Messer's doing it that way too.

I just found it too hard going, I was out all day and only picking up 2-3. Couldn't seem to find an easy area, it was like everyone had a windy. Plus I really don't enjoy doing it.

Basically keep doing what you're doing one thing which will largely reduce the non payers is arranging a time and date for the first clean (don't slip them) also do that for the second clean I would also insist that first cleans are (1 cash on the day or 2) per paid via bacs you should be firm on that they will respect you more trust me because knocking cleaning and even letting them pay whenever they like for a dirty first clean psychologically some people get a power trip

it's extreanly rare that a customer refuses to pay for a first or second clean if they are in so that will considerably reduce the rip offs
However I know the down side of it is you may be in this area on Monday doing 3/4 houses one of the 4 houses wants Tuesday but Tuesday you're 10 miles away it's annoying and potentially it may even work out better that you accept getting ripped off on that one house financially if you didn't drive back you could have made more

you have to weigh it up time is money personally for the sake of your sanity I would just allow the customer to some what dictate the first 2 dates offer them before or after midday you can't do much with the 10:15 gang or 2:45 on the dot so try go half way once those difficult custys see you turn up 2 times do it and pay you then they should be okay to pay you on a slip or cancel and pay you on the second time
This will reduce the non payers now some canvassers get upset when they hear you want to meet them all on the first clean just explain its so you can be paid , they'll be worried in case you batter them into regular one of the reasons why you pick up 2-3 and they 10 you're being careful canvassers need to put bread on their table so everything gets booked and you go off numbers it works just expect problems
Well arranging dates for first cleans helps a lot ! It might end up costing you the same as being ripped off in extra fuel costs but moral stays higher and your stress lvls are lower which is most important  good canvassers won't have a problem with them being in .

Ps if you go for fronts those are the only jobs if you're canvassing that you should just clean and open yourself up to a rip off its just not worth arranging times and dates for those just do them they're fast and it defo works out better but full houses strictly no

jesus!!!

do you all really have these problems even on a first clean?

[Crystal-clear]

daz I don't think you have ever needed to canvass 100 customers in a short space of a month going out every day picking up anything then if you were to clean 100 first cleans and charge good prices you also would have those problems

I never had a single problem on a first clean over last 3-4 years why? Cos all the first cleans I did were passive they came to me when they come to you it's so different
And how many did I do maybe 3 a month ? Easy to arrange In between
Reguslrs easy to give them dates
But it's almost impossible to be everywhere at a certain time for hundreds of first cleans they all want to see it and that's the problem
When you canvass it you can have the odd problem if I had a week off now id just enjoy it but back then I used the time to canvass and clean a lot of first cleans that promised me the world but it all comes out in the wash and you find out what's what lol.
In an ideal world daz you I and most others can reject first cleans if you are happy where you are but people who are expanding and want to be bigger and are canvassing a lot it's different
You're lucky that I don't think you have ever had to spend months or years knocking on doors and cleaning everything that gave you a sniff of wanting your services

If you think cleaning a ton of first cleans 200-300 that you canvass will all pay you promptly and all stick then pls go for it actually don't as you may retire due to going mad
When they see you cleaning or call you it's so so different mate specially when you have a full round that you're happy with

[dazmond]

how do you think ive ended up with the round ive got?it surely wasnt handed to me on a plate!of course ive canvassed for months and months at a time.i canvassed 2 or 3 times a week for 6 months when i started.never not been paid for a first clean.

[nathankaye]

how do you think ive ended up with the round ive got?it surely wasnt handed to me on a plate!of course ive canvassed for months and months at a time.i canvassed 2 or 3 times a week for 6 months when i started.never not been paid for a first clean.

Alot of us on here are very fortunate to be in a comfortable place work wise, but dont be fooled!!  Like Daz weve all had to work hard over many years to refine and build up our empires and so yes, im sorry to disappoint but we do know what were talking about because we have been therr and done it and learnt from it.
But yes its nice not to say yes to everything that comes along or perhaps to be gullable to take everything that comes along because se have learnt!!
I got an enquiry about a first clean, i have the job plus a conny roof clean and is set for regular 4wkly cleans.....but guess what,,,they have to and are willing to wait 4 weeks untill im back in the area to accomodate him and he has to sign upto gocardless b4 i turn up as well. So no worries about being paid either

[Crystal-clear]

how do you think ive ended up with the round ive got?it surely wasnt handed to me on a plate!of course ive canvassed for months and months at a time.i canvassed 2 or 3 times a week for 6 months when i started.never not been paid for a first clean.

If you were charging good prices when canvassing that's impressive then but as you can see fellow windy States over £500 a year of non payers maybe all those years ago it was different also maybe you used ladders back ( strait away eliminates what's this factor) then did it when they were in I know you've been doing this longer then I have and I've been at it a while back then it was different
I don't think you've canvassed for a very long time tho mate , try it today and charge your current prices tell them regular only and must be direct debit and if you're firm you'll get very few of course you won't have problems with 2  cherry picked jobs but  cleaning maybe over 100 first cleans a month maybe more there will be problems because you can't canvass all day for one job you'll have problems as you're canvassing and cleaning as much as you can to speed it up
All this said its good to know you've had no problems from canvassed work 

[Stoots]

Theres a big difference between canvassing your own work at a steady rate, few a week and having minimal problems to the way ive been doing it.

I literally get given a sheet of 50 first cleans all at once, all of it needs to be done asap to minimise cancels, they are mostly minging first cleans, it is a full week of hard graft, thats if the weather holds out. You have to use a sat nav to get to them as you are not 100% sure where you are going, youre dealing with locked gates, cancels, peoples expectations etc. Then there the payments, some people will still not pay online. well i dont collect so thats those that have to go.

And if you are pricing well, which i am (for the area) you get cancels on price after they think about it.

Its a real poop storm to deal with, its really stressfull.

Glad you have experienced the same things i have Crystal-clear, simetimes when reading online you the impression some windys do nothing to advertise and work simply comes to them, thats great but not all areas are like this. Some areas are much harder and need a consistent effort everyday, which of course includes a high turnover of customers.

[Johnny B]

I have always done all my own canvassing. I found it was far easier to build a reasonable run with minimal stress.

Advantages:
Both myself and customer meet face to face.

Price, cleaning time/date agreed on the spot.

I am in control of where I am looking to build so can map out my business territory.

No costs involved except time (which I see as an investment),

Canvassing is the quickest way to find new customers when starting out.

Disadvantages:

I got the occasional messer but then who hasn't?

John

[Lee Pryor]

Your all to soft.

We have no problems with payments.

Here's why.

New customers have to use go cardless. No exceptions!

Previous customers that have not paid for the last clean get dropped as we come round again and can only re join if they agree to go Cardless, no exceptions!

Follow that the problems stop. I promise.

[Stoots]

Your all to soft.

We have no problems with payments.

Here's why.

New customers have to use go cardless. No exceptions!

Previous customers that have not paid for the last clean get dropped as we come round again and can only re join if they agree to go Cardless, no exceptions!

Follow that the problems stop. I promise.

Easier done with leaflets than canvassing.

Ill have to give leaflets another shot.

[slap bash]

So I have around a dozen bad paying customers on my round some new others newish.
Taking the pee
I have a feeling a few are going to be getting a sun am visit. Then dumped after I have been paid.
Rant over.

If you cannot forgive or forget its a difficult one. IF YOU ALLOW IT YOU BUG you, it's going to eat you up. I know it`s frustrating that people can think so low of you that you don't need paying. But the truth of the matter is they are just sloppy people. If this does not help then, ignore morally correct police and go-ahead are put glue in the lock or poison the plants etc. I know most decry this as a solution, but it does help mentally and to hell with the ones who take the moral high ground and have overcome this mental problem.I have overcome this frustration but when |I started, I would do all these things. "God it did feel good."