[Stoots]

Quite simply you just say no.

I don't do ladder work, I might trad at ground level if the money was good enough but I dont do ladders. End of discussion.

I was asked just yesterday by a walk up. She wanted trad as the last windy used wfp but wasn't doing a good job. After I had explained that he was just rubbish and wfp is better for a host of reasons she agreed to let me do it my way.

There's always the highway for mr goose

[chris turner]

Just get a ladder out and trad his windows ffs.

Your not climbing mount Everest, your going up a couple of steps to clean a few windows.
It's hilarious the way some are acting like doing 1 house the good ol' fashioned way is like some sort of death sentence. As long as your cautious and use the correct methods then you'll be fine.

10 years ago most people here were cleaning Windows this way every single day without a second thought, including myself. Wfp has made everyone soft and lazy, they just use health and safety as a lame excuse.

[dazmond]

Just get a ladder out and trad his windows ffs.

Your not climbing mount Everest, your going up a couple of steps to clean a few windows.
It's hilarious the way some are acting like doing 1 house the good ol' fashioned way is like some sort of death sentence. As long as your cautious and use the correct methods then you'll be fine.

10 years ago most people here were cleaning Windows this way every single day without a second thought, including myself. Wfp has made everyone soft and lazy, they just use health and safety as a lame excuse.

i agree....to a point.i spent 17 years on the ladders but im not letting a customer dictate what method i use to clean their windows.like you say i cant be bothered climbing up to an upper window to clean it when i dont need to anymore esp as ive spend ££££££s on my van and WFP system.

[nathankaye]

Just get a ladder out and trad his windows ffs.

Your not climbing mount Everest, your going up a couple of steps to clean a few windows.
It's hilarious the way some are acting like doing 1 house the good ol' fashioned way is like some sort of death sentence. As long as your cautious and use the correct methods then you'll be fine.

10 years ago most people here were cleaning Windows this way every single day without a second thought, including myself. Wfp has made everyone soft and lazy, they just use health and safety as a lame excuse.

As someone once said of me on here, its going back 3 steps to take just one step forward.

Its like getting the old antique tools out the garage to do some wood work instead of using the power tools. Or getting the soap n scrubbing board out instead of using a washing machine. Or using, dare i say a pen n paper to send a letter rather than a text!!

A person spends hard earnt cash to invest in a safer way to clean at heights and then being told dont be silly, get up the ladders and clean my windows because i dont trust your new wavy stick to clean me windows!!  Erm No sorry mate, im not jumping through hoops just to get some money from you sir, to grace my table with food for the day
😂

[chris turner]

I spend 4 hours every 8 weeks up a ladder tradding a block of flats. When the management company had the contract up for tender they specifically requested someone who was willing to do the work by hand, as the windows are oldish wood frames that leak and look terrible when cleaned with wfp.
I was happy to do it, put in my price, got the job which is now one of my best commercial jobs when you factor in the twice yearly gutter cleaning.

Sometimes you have to accommodate the customers needs rather then having a one dimensional ' I spent £££ on these tools so I will only use these tools' attitude.
A skilled window cleaner will have multiple tools and multiple ways of achieving results, and should utilise those in the right situations.
Customer offers money to clean windows trad, I will use my trad skills to ensure customer parts ways with said money, if Bruce's price is right.

[Stoots]

I think you are 100% correct Chris. A lot of use are too lazy/can't be bothered to get the ladders off and trad a house.

I'm one of them. And proud of it 

Don't do ladders. Dont do ladders.
Mr customer can like it or lump it.

[chris turner]

I think you are 100% correct Chris. A lot of use are too lazy/can't be bothered to get the ladders off and trad a house.

I'm one of them. And proud of it 

Don't do ladders. Dont do ladders.
Mr customer can like it or lump it.

At least your honest

[nathankaye]

I spend 4 hours every 8 weeks up a ladder tradding a block of flats. When the management company had the contract up for tender they specifically requested someone who was willing to do the work by hand, as the windows are oldish wood frames that leak and look terrible when cleaned with wfp.
I was happy to do it, put in my price, got the job which is now one of my best commercial jobs when you factor in the twice yearly gutter cleaning.

Sometimes you have to accommodate the customers needs rather then having a one dimensional ' I spent £££ on these tools so I will only use these tools' attitude.
A skilled window cleaner will have multiple tools and multiple ways of achieving results, and should utilise those in the right situations.
Customer offers money to clean windows trad, I will use my trad skills to ensure customer parts ways with said money, if Bruce's price is right.

Dont mind doing trad work, as you say its utilise your skills.......but using a ladder work doesnt involve skill. Especially if its a tall block of flats, how many storeys is that chris?? I would factor in a cherry picker into the costs rather than ladder and show im serious about the health and safety factor.

Haha its like we pimp ourselves out, if the price is right i will climb some ladders and let go when i get high enough and wash windows 😂😂
Crazy

[AuRavelling79]

I spend 4 hours every 8 weeks up a ladder tradding a block of flats. When the management company had the contract up for tender they specifically requested someone who was willing to do the work by hand, as the windows are oldish wood frames that leak and look terrible when cleaned with wfp.
I was happy to do it, put in my price, got the job which is now one of my best commercial jobs when you factor in the twice yearly gutter cleaning.

Sometimes you have to accommodate the customers needs rather then having a one dimensional ' I spent £££ on these tools so I will only use these tools' attitude.
A skilled window cleaner will have multiple tools and multiple ways of achieving results, and should utilise those in the right situations.
Customer offers money to clean windows trad, I will use my trad skills to ensure customer parts ways with said money, if Bruce's price is right.

So a crap management company with a block of flats with crap windows. What a bunch of cowboys. Scrabbling about trying to find a mug who'll climb a ladder for them on the cheap instead of using a cherry picker.

Don't conflate trad skills with climbing a ladder.

[chris turner]

I spend 4 hours every 8 weeks up a ladder tradding a block of flats. When the management company had the contract up for tender they specifically requested someone who was willing to do the work by hand, as the windows are oldish wood frames that leak and look terrible when cleaned with wfp.
I was happy to do it, put in my price, got the job which is now one of my best commercial jobs when you factor in the twice yearly gutter cleaning.

Sometimes you have to accommodate the customers needs rather then having a one dimensional ' I spent £££ on these tools so I will only use these tools' attitude.
A skilled window cleaner will have multiple tools and multiple ways of achieving results, and should utilise those in the right situations.
Customer offers money to clean windows trad, I will use my trad skills to ensure customer parts ways with said money, if Bruce's price is right.

So a crap management company with a block of flats with crap windows. What a bunch of cowboys. Scrabbling about trying to find a mug who'll climb a ladder for them on the cheap instead of using a cherry picker.

Don't conflate trad skills with climbing a ladder.

Wrong wrong and err, wrong.
The tenants requested the management company to find someone willing to do the windows by hand as they were sick of leaking windows.
The flats are only 3 floors, ground 1st and 2nd, I actually pole the 2nd floor as that's beyond the reach of ladders, and trad ground and first floor.
You would tell them you need a cherry picker to clean the 1st floor by hand? Pathetic.
Fyi the management company is very good, invoices always paid within days and requested a full rams from me.

[nathankaye]

I spend 4 hours every 8 weeks up a ladder tradding a block of flats. When the management company had the contract up for tender they specifically requested someone who was willing to do the work by hand, as the windows are oldish wood frames that leak and look terrible when cleaned with wfp.
I was happy to do it, put in my price, got the job which is now one of my best commercial jobs when you factor in the twice yearly gutter cleaning.

Sometimes you have to accommodate the customers needs rather then having a one dimensional ' I spent £££ on these tools so I will only use these tools' attitude.
A skilled window cleaner will have multiple tools and multiple ways of achieving results, and should utilise those in the right situations.
Customer offers money to clean windows trad, I will use my trad skills to ensure customer parts ways with said money, if Bruce's price is right.

So a crap management company with a block of flats with crap windows. What a bunch of cowboys. Scrabbling about trying to find a mug who'll climb a ladder for them on the cheap instead of using a cherry picker.

Don't conflate trad skills with climbing a ladder.

Wrong wrong and err, wrong.
The tenants requested the management company to find someone willing to do the windows by hand as they were sick of leaking windows.
The flats are only 3 floors, ground 1st and 2nd, I actually pole the 2nd floor as that's beyond the reach of ladders, and trad ground and first floor.
You would tell them you need a cherry picker to clean the 1st floor by hand? Pathetic.
Fyi the management company is very good, invoices always paid within days and requested a full rams from me.

You didnt specify how many floors the block of flats was and so we assumed a large block of flats. Ground floor walking round mopping n blading wouldnt take too long.   2nd floor is poled...wagtail??
So only first floor is using ladders.......
Still seems like a lot of faff for my liking.

Are you a one man team or do you get help in on this job to speed things up??

But also the above post might still be right!!  If windows are leaking when wfp is used then what are they like whennwe get a good heavy downpour like weve had over last couple of days??

But then your obviously happy to do this and thats all that counts, but for some myself included i wouldnt want it, regardless of price

[dazmond]

so for the 1% that want us to trad their windows off ladders we ll give them your number then chris!

luckily for me i dont need to bother with customers like that.plenty of WFP work about.

[chris turner]

I spend 4 hours every 8 weeks up a ladder tradding a block of flats. When the management company had the contract up for tender they specifically requested someone who was willing to do the work by hand, as the windows are oldish wood frames that leak and look terrible when cleaned with wfp.
I was happy to do it, put in my price, got the job which is now one of my best commercial jobs when you factor in the twice yearly gutter cleaning.

Sometimes you have to accommodate the customers needs rather then having a one dimensional ' I spent £££ on these tools so I will only use these tools' attitude.
A skilled window cleaner will have multiple tools and multiple ways of achieving results, and should utilise those in the right situations.
Customer offers money to clean windows trad, I will use my trad skills to ensure customer parts ways with said money, if Bruce's price is right.

So a crap management company with a block of flats with crap windows. What a bunch of cowboys. Scrabbling about trying to find a mug who'll climb a ladder for them on the cheap instead of using a cherry picker.

Don't conflate trad skills with climbing a ladder.

Wrong wrong and err, wrong.
The tenants requested the management company to find someone willing to do the windows by hand as they were sick of leaking windows.
The flats are only 3 floors, ground 1st and 2nd, I actually pole the 2nd floor as that's beyond the reach of ladders, and trad ground and first floor.
You would tell them you need a cherry picker to clean the 1st floor by hand? Pathetic.
Fyi the management company is very good, invoices always paid within days and requested a full rams from me.

You didnt specify how many floors the block of flats was and so we assumed a large block of flats. Ground floor walking round mopping n blading wouldnt take too long.   2nd floor is poled...wagtail??
So only first floor is using ladders.......
Still seems like a lot of faff for my liking.

Are you a one man team or do you get help in on this job to speed things up??

But also the above post might still be right!!  If windows are leaking when wfp is used then what are they like whennwe get a good heavy downpour like weve had over last couple of days??

But then your obviously happy to do this and thats all that counts, but for some myself included i wouldnt want it, regardless of price

Where did I say a large block of flats?
I said a block of flats, you assumed wrong.

By pole the top floor I mean wfp, you numpty

And you say you wouldn't do it regardless of price...
So you would say no to £500 plus for a days work on the condition you have to use ladder for a few windows? I'm sure your doing so well for yourself that you would happily turn this work down Nathan/dazmond..
Stick to your £10 jobs with your professional, expensive 🤣🤣🤣 systems boys.

[nathankaye]

Chris you cant take the P with us bud when your wfp the top windows anyway because of height restrictions numpty...you might as well wfp all of them or is it ok for the management team to accept complaints from only a third of its tennents.

[chris turner]

Chris you cant take the P with us bud when your wfp the top windows anyway because of height restrictions numpty...you might as well wfp all of them or is it ok for the management team to accept complaints from only a third of its tennents.

Yep the top floor tenants had to accept wfp or an increase in fees to cover the cost of a cherry picker.
Also a cherry picker would ruin the well maintained lawn around the flats so it was a no no.

My insurance covers me to work up to a height of 5 meters from a ladder and up to that height I feel completely safe. All HSE guidelines are followed, rams are in place so there is no problem, and I get paid handsomely. 

If I employed it would be a different story, I certainly wouldn't risk my own employees safety or run the risk of being sued if an accident did occur. I am happy to do it myself because I feel comfortable and able to do it, with enough experience and know how of working safely from a ladder.

You can sit here all day Nathan and quote 'hse' and 'working at height' but life is full of risk and reward.
You risk your health everyday you go out and eat that dog sh!t you call food, or stick alcohol in your liver, yet you won't go up and down ladder for a few hours because of 'health and safety'. Please.

[dazmond]

I spend 4 hours every 8 weeks up a ladder tradding a block of flats. When the management company had the contract up for tender they specifically requested someone who was willing to do the work by hand, as the windows are oldish wood frames that leak and look terrible when cleaned with wfp.
I was happy to do it, put in my price, got the job which is now one of my best commercial jobs when you factor in the twice yearly gutter cleaning.

Sometimes you have to accommodate the customers needs rather then having a one dimensional ' I spent £££ on these tools so I will only use these tools' attitude.
A skilled window cleaner will have multiple tools and multiple ways of achieving results, and should utilise those in the right situations.
Customer offers money to clean windows trad, I will use my trad skills to ensure customer parts ways with said money, if Bruce's price is right.

So a crap management company with a block of flats with crap windows. What a bunch of cowboys. Scrabbling about trying to find a mug who'll climb a ladder for them on the cheap instead of using a cherry picker.

Don't conflate trad skills with climbing a ladder.

Wrong wrong and err, wrong.
The tenants requested the management company to find someone willing to do the windows by hand as they were sick of leaking windows.
The flats are only 3 floors, ground 1st and 2nd, I actually pole the 2nd floor as that's beyond the reach of ladders, and trad ground and first floor.
You would tell them you need a cherry picker to clean the 1st floor by hand? Pathetic.
Fyi the management company is very good, invoices always paid within days and requested a full rams from me.

You didnt specify how many floors the block of flats was and so we assumed a large block of flats. Ground floor walking round mopping n blading wouldnt take too long.   2nd floor is poled...wagtail??
So only first floor is using ladders.......
Still seems like a lot of faff for my liking.

Are you a one man team or do you get help in on this job to speed things up??

But also the above post might still be right!!  If windows are leaking when wfp is used then what are they like whennwe get a good heavy downpour like weve had over last couple of days??

But then your obviously happy to do this and thats all that counts, but for some myself included i wouldnt want it, regardless of price

Where did I say a large block of flats?
I said a block of flats, you assumed wrong.

By pole the top floor I mean wfp, you numpty

And you say you wouldn't do it regardless of price...
So you would say no to £500 plus for a days work on the condition you have to use ladder for a few windows? I'm sure your doing so well for yourself that you would happily turn this work down Nathan/dazmond..
Stick to your £10 jobs with your professional, expensive 🤣🤣🤣 systems boys.

yep i would turn the work down chris.i dont want management company jobs esp if it means using ladders but we re all different.im not slagging you off.its entirely up to you but its a defo no from me.

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

Chris you cant take the P with us bud when your wfp the top windows anyway because of height restrictions numpty...you might as well wfp all of them or is it ok for the management team to accept complaints from only a third of its tennents.

Yep the top floor tenants had to accept wfp or an increase in fees to cover the cost of a cherry picker.
Also a cherry picker would ruin the well maintained lawn around the flats so it was a no no.

My insurance covers me to work up to a height of 5 meters from a ladder and up to that height I feel completely safe. All HSE guidelines are followed, rams are in place so there is no problem, and I get paid handsomely. 

If I employed it would be a different story, I certainly wouldn't risk my own employees safety or run the risk of being sued if an accident did occur. I am happy to do it myself because I feel comfortable and able to do it, with enough experience and know how of working safely from a ladder.

You can sit here all day Nathan and quote 'hse' and 'working at height' but life is full of risk and reward.
You risk your health everyday you go out and eat that dog sh!t you call food, or stick alcohol in your liver, yet you won't go up and down ladder for a few hours because of 'health and safety'. Please.

have they let you put tie hocks in the walls as this would the first thing on the risk assment ?

[Stoots]

I'll be honest. I say I don't do ladders but my interest would perk up for 500 quid.

I would go from no chance to I'll have a look

[dazmond]

I once had an old school mate offer me £500 if I would "follow" a van in my car for a few hours the next day.easy money but I refused.he was obviously up to something dodgy  and I didn't want to have any part in it.same with ladder work.

It's not always about the money.

[nathankaye]

Chris im not attacking you mate and the amount of alcohol i consume is no where near threatning..... (in a month i might have 2 or 3 bottles of ale.........im not a big drinker at all  but one post of having a pint on a summers day or with a carvery makes people jump to conclusions.........)

All im saying is that since going onto wfp im not happy to go back to using ladders  regardless of the amount of money they flash hence my comment about pimping out!😂😂
Sky engineers need to fix ladders to the house as well as wearing harnesses to fit a dish to a house.
Ive witness an electrician on step ladders using a drill fall off from a small height n crack his head open.......a day in A&E.
A fellow shiner slipped of ladders and smash his tibia bone and another smashed his foot in, hence now he works with wfp.
So i know people who are friends have nasty accidents with ladders.   

But if your happy to do so thats fine. Im just expressing my reasons why i wouldnt.