[Nick Day]

Sorry Lee,
I strayed into nonsense areas there. My point was that you are lucky to live in an area where the average price per customer is £25.00. In mine  and many other peoples areas our average would be about £12.00.
I suspect that your costs per customer, which are virtually the same nationally would be more than that.
Your ability to develop that into the business you have, deserves a great deal of respect.

[8weekly]

Sorry Lee,
I strayed into nonsense areas there. My point was that you are lucky to live in an area where the average price per customer is £25.00. In mine  and many other peoples areas our average would be about £12.00.
I suspect that your costs per customer, which are virtually the same nationally would be more than that.
Your ability to develop that into the business you have, deserves a great deal of respect.

Costs would be more in the south east because of business premises and salaries. Salaries would be his main cost I'd think.

[W.booler]

I plan to make my other half a director and split the dividend to pay less tax

You have to really, but you'd better not split up. 

With the current divorce rate at 42%, the odds are in his favour!

[paul alan]

Well there's a few jealous haters oń this forum it seems. Good on you lee and carry on with updates because i enjoy reading them and take alot from them. Isnt that what forums are for after all ?

Oh ok, so what do you take from his updates?

The word 'jealous' gets thrown around alot, but surely the most jealous person of all is the one whom lusts after riches, fame and glory.

Take a look at the 7 deadly sins
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=7+deadly+sins&oq=7+dea&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j69i60j69i59j5j0.2641j0j4&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

And tell me how many you think Lee, or any other person with an aching desire for riches, fame and glory fit in to...

Just the one for me, wrath, towards anyone who fits into the other 6 

But I'm generally a very nice guy, honest guv...

Money is freedom

Freedom of choice

Freedom of worry

Freedom of time

Not a sin

We all live by it and some die by it

Its the reason we get out bed

Haha

Freedom exists without money
Choice exists without money
Time exists without money
Worry exists whether you have money or not

We don't get out of bed to make money, we get of bed to exist. If money disappeared tomorrow we would still get out of bed to exist.

Didn't some guy called Jesus live without almost any money, and is still remembered to this day?
(I'm atheist btw)
Money does not make a man, only his actions do.

Of course we need money, to eat, for a home, to travel and for all life's essentials. Once we reach a sustainable amount of income which covers all the above things, which I'm sure most of us on here have, then why do we need more money??
There is no real purpose in having more money.

I probably sound like I'm smoking hippie crack right now lol but having grown up in an age of forever wanting the next best thing, mobile phone, TV, new car, bigger house etc etc iv realised that every time I have 'upgraded', I have never really felt any better for doing so.
Another new iPhone out this year, I must buy it, even though my old one works fine.
Only bought my van 3 years ago, now there's a new model out already, I must start saving.

It goes on and on and on, yet I still feel exactly the same.

Yet playing with my kids, walking my dog, f**king my missis, becoming a vegan, staring at the stars on a clear night, those things make me happy.
And I can do those things with very little money.

Nah money makes the world go round!

Why bother working then?

I mean....l do get where your coming from, there are a small percent of the population that would rather buy a tent and eat berries from the bush and roadkill. But to live in the rat race you need cash, and the more you have the easier thing become for you.

You cant bang the missus and stare at the stars forever.....it doesnt sound bad though l agree but it does sound a bit unrealistic.

[paul alan]

And JESUS! theres a flippin fairytale for you!

Didnt we beleive the world was flat in them days too???

[Jonny 87]

And JESUS! theres a flippin fairytale for you!

Didnt we beleive the world was flat in them days too???

They did!

But in the bible it actually was scientifically accurate and said it was a sphere.

Not bad for a book that's thousands of years old.

 

[nathankaye]

And JESUS! theres a flippin fairytale for you!

Didnt we beleive the world was flat in them days too???

They did!

But in the bible it actually was scientifically accurate and said it was a sphere.

Not bad for a book that's thousands of years old.

 

And yet for a fairy tale, why bother with xmass if based on a fairy tale..  (so many sheep!!) ....
Plus same fairy tale has governed our calander BC  AC   and plenty more.

The sad truth is we need money to live n survive as already been mentioned. Its a need.  The rest depends on our wants as to how much we strife for above our needs and thats why all our goals are so different as that is dependant upon each individual. Some its family time, others family n riches and others its just riches.

lol im just glad im not helping the tax man become rich 😂

[Stoots]

Depends how you want to live

you could claim benefits, be on the dole etc and have everyday free to do what you wanted. roof over your head and food in the fridge and thats your basic needs met,  if you have a family as well, great  your sorted, just create some offspring and your purpose on earth is fulfilled. plenty of time for the simple things in life, walking, exercising, spending time with family etc.

Thats fine, for a while, i was unemployed for  9 month at one point, i quite enjoyed it at first really, went fishing a lot  but it got boring fast, plenty of time and no money to do anything became depressing. sat around getting fat and watching jeremy kyle.

so whats he logical thing to do, get a decent job and earn some money, fine now you have the money but dont have the freedom. All us sole traders are a slave to the job, like it or not, we like the "freedom" of finishing when we want and having days off etc. except we are not free, we are at the mercy of our customers and if we want to stop working for any period we head back in the direction of the dole.

So the only logical thing to do is to get rich, build financial freedom and build a system that creates money with little input from yourself so you have both time and money.

[dazmond]

Depends how you want to live

you could claim benefits, be on the dole etc and have everyday free to do what you wanted. roof over your head and food in the fridge and thats your basic needs met,  if you have a family as well, great  your sorted, just create some offspring and your purpose on earth is fulfilled. plenty of time for the simple things in life, walking, exercising, spending time with family etc.

Thats fine, for a while, i was unemployed for  9 month at one point, i quite enjoyed it at first really, went fishing a lot  but it got boring fast, plenty of time and no money to do anything became depressing. sat around getting fat and watching jeremy kyle.

so whats he logical thing to do, get a decent job and earn some money, fine now you have the money but dont have the freedom. All us sole traders are a slave to the job, like it or not, we like the "freedom" of finishing when we want and having days off etc. except we are not free, we are at the mercy of our customers and if we want to stop working for any period we head back in the direction of the dole.

So the only logical thing to do is to get rich, build financial freedom and build a system that creates money with little input from yourself so you have both time and money.

.i'm happy working 30-35 hours a week for great money (imo).taking most weekends off and 6 weeks holidays a year.I like working most of the time.it's hardly a chore because the hours are short which leaves plenty of time for the gym,drumming and chilling out with family,friends and taking the dog for a walk.

My life has never been so balanced and good with zero financial worries.

I'm happy with my lot and can easily pay my bills as I don't live beyond my means and have a good solid work ethic with a great profitable round with virtually zero stress.

A good way to live IMO.

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

Depends how you want to live

you could claim benefits, be on the dole etc and have everyday free to do what you wanted. roof over your head and food in the fridge and thats your basic needs met,  if you have a family as well, great  your sorted, just create some offspring and your purpose on earth is fulfilled. plenty of time for the simple things in life, walking, exercising, spending time with family etc.

Thats fine, for a while, i was unemployed for  9 month at one point, i quite enjoyed it at first really, went fishing a lot  but it got boring fast, plenty of time and no money to do anything became depressing. sat around getting fat and watching jeremy kyle.

so whats he logical thing to do, get a decent job and earn some money, fine now you have the money but dont have the freedom. All us sole traders are a slave to the job, like it or not, we like the "freedom" of finishing when we want and having days off etc. except we are not free, we are at the mercy of our customers and if we want to stop working for any period we head back in the direction of the dole.

So the only logical thing to do is to get rich, build financial freedom and build a system that creates money with little input from yourself so you have both time and money.

if this as only true !!!! you forgot to add you work all your life and then when you old and need care you have to sell everything to pay for it while the dollies get it for free still who really wins ?

[Stoots]

Depends how you want to live

you could claim benefits, be on the dole etc and have everyday free to do what you wanted. roof over your head and food in the fridge and thats your basic needs met,  if you have a family as well, great  your sorted, just create some offspring and your purpose on earth is fulfilled. plenty of time for the simple things in life, walking, exercising, spending time with family etc.

Thats fine, for a while, i was unemployed for  9 month at one point, i quite enjoyed it at first really, went fishing a lot  but it got boring fast, plenty of time and no money to do anything became depressing. sat around getting fat and watching jeremy kyle.

so whats he logical thing to do, get a decent job and earn some money, fine now you have the money but dont have the freedom. All us sole traders are a slave to the job, like it or not, we like the "freedom" of finishing when we want and having days off etc. except we are not free, we are at the mercy of our customers and if we want to stop working for any period we head back in the direction of the dole.

So the only logical thing to do is to get rich, build financial freedom and build a system that creates money with little input from yourself so you have both time and money.

if this as only true !!!! you forgot to add you work all your life and then when you old and need care you have to sell everything to pay for it while the dollies get it for free still who really wins ?

Quite true.

My grandma is 80 odd had a stroke 2 years ago. Because she owned her own home and had some money if she went into  a home she would have to sell her house to fund it taking away an inheritance she had wanted to hand down to her family.

Yet those who are skint get free care.

The system is designed so no one can win. Best thing to do is become rich asap and bugger off abroad.

[Mike55]

So Lee would you now consider your business fully leverageable should you choose?

[Lee Pryor]

So Lee would you now consider your business fully leverageable should you choose?

I think the answer to that is in previous comments I have made on this thread.

To answer more clearly, no. Thats because im not finished spending to grow yet.

[V_Purcell]

A question for Lee
How many clients would you expect 2 people canvassing a road in a 6 hour period summer time and 4 hours in winter time? Based on average pricing , in Sussex and Surrey?

[Lee Pryor]

A question for Lee
How many clients would you expect 2 people canvassing a road in a 6 hour period summer time and 4 hours in winter time? Based on average pricing , in Sussex and Surrey?

That's really how long is a piece of string mate.  There are too many factors to answer that. I guess you will just have to get out there and do it.

[KS Cleaning]

A question for Lee
How many clients would you expect 2 people canvassing a road in a 6 hour period summer time and 4 hours in winter time? Based on average pricing , in Sussex and Surrey?

That's really how long is a piece of string mate.  There are too many factors to answer that. I guess you will just have to get out there and do it.

Or he can book a 3 hour consultation with you then take over the world 

[Marc Stock]

Well done Lee.

Its taken me the year so far to get £8k new business. Although I haven't been actively seeking it so..

[Stoots]

Well done Lee.

Its taken me the year so far to get £8k new business. Although I haven't been actively seeking it so..

That's good going.

I think Ive taken on about 10k of new work this year. But I have been seeking it.

[Marc Stock]

Problem is i am hitting the limit of what i can do in the time i want to work.

I have Wednesday off for me time. So 4 days a week , 4 weeks a month.

If I do too much active seeking I won't be able to honour the work. Will be getting another van soon and get someone in it initially a day a week or something then go all out for expansion

[Stoots]

Problem is i am hitting the limit of what i can do in the time i want to work.

I have Wednesday off for me time. So 4 days a week , 4 weeks a month.

If I do too much active seeking I won't be able to honour the work. Will be getting another van soon and get someone in it initially a day a week or something then go all out for expansion

That's very similar to me Marc. I'm not full as in rammed Monday - Friday 8-5 but I am full enough for the hours I want to work. Which is probably 4 days worth.

I have been seeking it this year as I've only recently got to the full point. I started dthe year with 180 custys and now have a shade over 300 on the books but I've probably  been through 200 this year as  ive got through a hell of  lot of dross to get there...

I found I have to seek it, if I stop pushing nothing happens. I think there's too much completion in the area but nevermind I don't mind  investing to grow.

I stopped advertising about a month ago now and am going to keep ticking over and wait till the new year then set someone on part time and make another push and go for the Vat threshold as my next goal...

How big do you plan to expand?