[cgh window cleaning]

Where Caps ltd subbing the retail work of a larger cleaning or fm company?
Most  of the Nationals  are just subbing it then re subbing it out.

I sub a bit of retail work and  I have never heard of them.

[deeege]

They havnt gone into receivership. I'm told that I'll be paid before the end of the week, we shall wait and see.

I'm owed considerably more than the £1700 mentioned. Not ideal but that's the risk I suppose. They've been a great company to sub from for the last 5 or so years.

[H2GoKent]

Sparklebright can you ring me? Number on website

Only just seen this, yeah will do

[Tosh]

How did you get on 'the list?' Did you have to sue?
Don't want to chuck good money after bad if I can help it.

If they've gone bust that won't happen.


The last time a compay went bust on me they owed me £1,000. Once the receivers were called in it took 4 years and I got £1.78. You'll be bottom of the list. The receivers will get paid, they'll get the equivalent of what is owed you for one days work.

You'll be written to if you're on their books.

[H2GoKent]

Things are looking up.
Have spoken to them. They have had some disasters recently.
They are going to carry on trading but sort finances etc out.
They have agreed to pay some money on account and in return once I get it I will do some of their work that's due Monday.
Sounds like they are playing it straight to me

[deeege]

Who have you spoken to? Please post here if and when you get paid. I've been promised payment "this week" but we'll see.

[jarvy]

Thanks to the guys that have rang me today. My debt is chicken feed compared to others. But it was good to speak to other guys from all over that are in the same boat.
This will be sorted out in the end.
There are some good people with good advice on here.
Stay lucky guys!

[Dean Taberner]

Hope you get it sorted guys,
I've been there myself too many times,
I gave up in the end and got a proper job. 

[AuRavelling79]

If you were doing regular work and you find they've gone bust then immediately approach the client you were doing the actual work for and offer your services direct.

[DW Window Cleaning]

whoever said yes thats a shame there were a good company i say you talk a load of crap, they took maybe 8 good jobs off me  next ,zarars ,simple b ,quiz , river island,to name but a few kept me on at debs  cas the manager demanded it and screwed me over 4 £800 yes ace company love em

[dazmond]

i dont understand why anyone would do sub contract work.loads of horror stories of guys not getting paid for work(in all different trades)over the years.my grandad always said "dont put all your eggs in one basket"so i dont.they are all in hundreds of different baskets.i stick to domestic and independent commercial jobs.sub contracting is too much like working for someone else rather than yourself IMO.

I sincerely hope all you guys get paid though.

[H2GoKent]

whoever said yes thats a shame there were a good company i say you talk a load of crap, they took maybe 8 good jobs off me  next ,zarars ,simple b ,quiz , river island,to name but a few kept me on at debs  cas the manager demanded it and screwed me over 4 £800 yes ace company love em

It's a shame that you lost jobs to a National contractor but it happens, it's a bit like the way everyone buys from supermarkets, everyone moans about them but they are handy. 
It's the way businesses try and save money, by having one big window cleaning bill instead of hundreds they save time/money on admin and sadly they don't care if the job isn't as good as it used to be as long as they can tick a box. I even heard of cleaning firms throwing the Window cleaning in for free
I know Primark only went over to Nationals after a windy they used dropped a ladder on someones head and had no PL insurance so they got sued. With a national someone else does all that admin and worrying about those issues. Not saying it's right but it's how it is
It'd be better if they were no nationals but there are so that's life as it is.

[H2GoKent]

i dont understand why anyone would do sub contract work.loads of horror stories of guys not getting paid for work(in all different trades)over the years.my grandad always said "dont put all your eggs in one basket"so i dont.they are all in hundreds of different baskets.i stick to domestic and independent commercial jobs.sub contracting is too much like working for someone else rather than yourself IMO.

I sincerely hope all you guys get paid though.

Depends on how you run it, I have a lot of commercial sub contract work, and as long as you fight your corner and ask for a realistic price it can be great. It's work you can do any weather as early as you like. 
As long as you don't rely on it and let your other work slide, that would be a mistake. If you get a lot of it, share it out with reliable people, that way you won't depend on it.
And if you're honest you do work for other people, everyone who offers a service does. As I said don't do it to the exclusion of your other work

[C.C.S.]

I used to sub Debehams for them until a few years ago until they halfed the contract for a few months  and then decided  to do it themselves . Since then the managers that I still keep in touch as I clean their homes have been disappointed with the quality. I'm not aware if they still do Debehams tough .So I guess this situation  was coming  sooner rather than later .
In my situation a subcontract never lasted more than 2-3 years as the big companies like Debehams always change contractors.It's always about the price with them never about the quality.
Recently I've been approached to clean a high street bank .They already had the prices set at half I would normally charge so I politely  declined .
Good luck to everyone who's awaiting to get paid

[H2GoKent]

The debs contract I do used to be 3 times a week then went down to one.
I have turned low priced subbie work
The best was someone asked me to quote loads of Argos stores I asked what sort of ballpark figure they were looking at they said £4 a store I just laughed and turned it down
I've had some of my sub contract work for 5 or 6 years and it's all at a good rate. You have to negotiate as you would with all customers and if it's not worth it say no.

As I said before doesn't suit everyone and you must not rely on it

I used to sub Debehams for them until a few years ago until they halfed the contract for a few months  and then decided  to do it themselves . Since then the managers that I still keep in touch as I clean their homes have been disappointed with the quality. I'm not aware if they still do Debehams tough .So I guess this situation  was coming  sooner rather than later .
In my situation a subcontract never lasted more than 2-3 years as the big companies like Debehams always change contractors.It's always about the price with them never about the quality.
Recently I've been approached to clean a high street bank .They already had the prices set at half I would normally charge so I politely  declined .
Good luck to everyone who's awaiting to get paid

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

hey if your all looking for work give solar stev a ring he be more then happy to take you on as long as you pay him first for the work and he will then add over 100-200% on top of what he pays  you , and you will have to fight for your money for weeks after

[deeege]

i dont understand why anyone would do sub contract work.loads of horror stories of guys not getting paid for work(in all different trades)over the years.my grandad always said "dont put all your eggs in one basket"so i dont.they are all in hundreds of different baskets.i stick to domestic and independent commercial jobs.sub contracting is too much like working for someone else rather than yourself IMO.

I sincerely hope all you guys get paid though.

We do this type of work because we see the reward as being worth the risk.

I'm not naive, I realise there's a chance of not being paid for work done, however when I weigh this up I still think it's worth the risk.

I'm owed a good chunk from them. I've also earnt a good chunk from them, without problem, over the last 4-5 years, I'm talking £80k + here, all earnt before 9am when you are just cleaning your first house of the day.

Fair enough that you are happy cleaning just houses and small commercial and there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever and I know you do just fine financially from it, but some of us are prepared to take bigger risks for bigger rewards, you must understand that?

It's a bit of a rubbish situation for a lot of people on here, myself included, but I'll not be getting too upset and negative about things. Life goes on.

[dazmond]

i dont understand why anyone would do sub contract work.loads of horror stories of guys not getting paid for work(in all different trades)over the years.my grandad always said "dont put all your eggs in one basket"so i dont.they are all in hundreds of different baskets.i stick to domestic and independent commercial jobs.sub contracting is too much like working for someone else rather than yourself IMO.

I sincerely hope all you guys get paid though.

We do this type of work because we see the reward as being worth the risk.

I'm not naive, I realise there's a chance of not being paid for work done, however when I weigh this up I still think it's worth the risk.

I'm owed a good chunk from them. I've also earnt a good chunk from them, without problem, over the last 4-5 years, I'm talking £80k + here, all earnt before 9am when you are just cleaning your first house of the day.

Fair enough that you are happy cleaning just houses and small commercial and there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever and I know you do just fine financially from it, but some of us are prepared to take bigger risks for bigger rewards, you must understand that?

It's a bit of a rubbish situation for a lot of people on here, myself included, but I'll not be getting too upset and negative about things. Life goes on.

fair play but how are you not knackered with all the early starts?id hate it.i very rarely start before 9am(sometimes 8am but its rare)

[deeege]

i dont understand why anyone would do sub contract work.loads of horror stories of guys not getting paid for work(in all different trades)over the years.my grandad always said "dont put all your eggs in one basket"so i dont.they are all in hundreds of different baskets.i stick to domestic and independent commercial jobs.sub contracting is too much like working for someone else rather than yourself IMO.

I sincerely hope all you guys get paid though.

We do this type of work because we see the reward as being worth the risk.

I'm not naive, I realise there's a chance of not being paid for work done, however when I weigh this up I still think it's worth the risk.

I'm owed a good chunk from them. I've also earnt a good chunk from them, without problem, over the last 4-5 years, I'm talking £80k + here, all earnt before 9am when you are just cleaning your first house of the day.

Fair enough that you are happy cleaning just houses and small commercial and there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever and I know you do just fine financially from it, but some of us are prepared to take bigger risks for bigger rewards, you must understand that?

It's a bit of a rubbish situation for a lot of people on here, myself included, but I'll not be getting too upset and negative about things. Life goes on.

fair play but how are you not knackered with all the early starts?id hate it.i very rarely start before 9am(sometimes 8am but its rare)

One word......kids!

My 2 year old is up at 6am every morning regardless, I might aswell be out working from 6:30 or I'd be sat watching Peppa Pig with him. Seriously.

[dazmond]

i need 2 hours in the morning to wake up properly and have breakfast before i can even head out the door danny!