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nathankaye

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Re: why is window cleaning equipment so expensive
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2017, 08:33:19 pm »
We have a client  that is very interested in what is in the van even to the point where we had to give them the whole system spec that they sent off to a water treatment company  to see if it was safe to use on site
They were worried about their staff inhaling the spray on a windy day
Now they are talking about us giving them a water sample every 12 weeks  so they can send it off for testing as we use hot water

Which company is that because that just sounds crazy and arrogant and full of sceptics. Or is this a slight exaggeration every 12 wks because surely once they know its just h2o you dont need to keep proving it. Or do you clean top secret facilities
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Martin Lane

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Re: why is window cleaning equipment so expensive
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2017, 08:41:56 pm »
Top secret something like that
They want the water tested for legionella bacteria that could form in the heater on the system  then go airborn when the windows are being cleaned
Just a manager who has swollowed the whole health and safety manual 

Splash & dash

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Re: why is window cleaning equipment so expensive
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2017, 09:13:06 pm »
We have a client  that is very interested in what is in the van even to the point where we had to give them the whole system spec that they sent off to a water treatment company  to see if it was safe to use on site
They were worried about their staff inhaling the spray on a windy day
Now they are talking about us giving them a water sample every 12 weeks  so they can send it off for testing as we use hot water
If you do work for ss on solar panels you have to give water samples and tds readings before you start work more large commercial company's are asking for this before awarding contracts , we had our vans inspected by a very large company before giving us the contract to work on there properties and they do spot checks to make sure water quality is up to scratch it's written in the contract terms and conditions , sounds ridiculous but true

Which company is that because that just sounds crazy and arrogant and full of sceptics. Or is this a slight exaggeration every 12 wks because surely once they know its just h2o you dont need to keep proving it. Or do you clean top secret facilities

Splash & dash

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Re: why is window cleaning equipment so expensive
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2017, 09:16:41 pm »
Top secret something like that
They want the water tested for legionella bacteria that could form in the heater on the system  then go airborn when the windows are being cleaned
Just a manager who has swollowed the whole health and safety manual
we have exactly the same situation with one of our clients , it's called covering there backs should anything go wrong , don't want to name the company on an open forum but let's say they have thousands of large retirement apartments throughout the uk

JandS

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Re: why is window cleaning equipment so expensive
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2017, 10:20:58 pm »
I come from a carpet cleaning background but now mix and match with wfp....I quickly found out that diy systems are fine till you get busy then things start to fail and you have no backup.
Then I spent quite a bit of money on equipment including a top of the range portable....the portable is still going strong 8 years later with only new vac motors and regular servicing and the tools, hoses etc are still working no problem.....the term "buy cheap buy twice" is still true now....most of my buys now are luxury "extras" as all my "old" equipment still works fine with little maintenance every now and then.....you can maintain good, well made but pricier equipment forever...cheap crap just breaks down.
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

nathankaye

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Re: why is window cleaning equipment so expensive
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2017, 10:49:25 pm »
Top secret something like that
They want the water tested for legionella bacteria that could form in the heater on the system  then go airborn when the windows are being cleaned
Just a manager who has swollowed the whole health and safety manual

That must be really frustrating as well though. Because i could be completely wrong with this but legionella is based on water being stagnate and warm/hot.
If your warming water via a gas heater or a diesel heater then that doesnt apply. If like me water is being heated over night in a static van then again its not static for long enough for it to grow and certainly not whilst in transit all day.
Sometimes H&S really frustrates me. But i suppose better to be save than sorry

On the other hand, someones post on tds quality for solar panels is understandable. But both of these scenarios dont require them to look into your van nor require a van fittes system compared to someone who filters into a storage tank and transfers said water into a tank in the van.
Both tanks can be caged and all other equipment can be tidied in the same mannar.
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Delta

Re: why is window cleaning equipment so expensive
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2017, 05:28:16 am »
Lee Pryor.

If I employed I would never use LPG in a van. Far to dangerous and a proper grey area concerning insurance and legality. If the unthinkable did happen you could seriously injure one of your employees or even kill one of them. In either scenario the Health & Safety Executive would fine you a massive amount and your business would probably close. You could even end up with a jail term. The fine from the HSE would probably be more than your last round of investment in your company.

Take a look at this Transit Custom. This happened a few miles from me. The guy is lucky to be alive. All it took for this to happen was a small leak from a barbecue gas cylinder which was left in the van overnight. The guy started the van up in the morning and BANG!

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/shocking-aftermath-explosion-redland-put-40054

Even if your gas bottles are fitted in a sealed metal box within the van and this box has the van floor vented you could still have a leak from the pipe wok to the shower heater. The HSE would take a dim view if your procedure to mitigate a leak was asking your employees to turn off the gas at the bottle each night.

This could happen to any of your 10 vans at any time. This is just my honest opinion. Why put yourself in this position when your doing a great job building up a great window cleaning company?

Do the right thing and take out the gas heaters.

dazmond

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Re: why is window cleaning equipment so expensive
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2017, 05:30:35 pm »
Lee Pryor.

If I employed I would never use LPG in a van. Far to dangerous and a proper grey area concerning insurance and legality. If the unthinkable did happen you could seriously injure one of your employees or even kill one of them. In either scenario the Health & Safety Executive would fine you a massive amount and your business would probably close. You could even end up with a jail term. The fine from the HSE would probably be more than your last round of investment in your company.

Take a look at this Transit Custom. This happened a few miles from me. The guy is lucky to be alive. All it took for this to happen was a small leak from a barbecue gas cylinder which was left in the van overnight. The guy started the van up in the morning and BANG!

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/shocking-aftermath-explosion-redland-put-40054

Even if your gas bottles are fitted in a sealed metal box within the van and this box has the van floor vented you could still have a leak from the pipe wok to the shower heater. The HSE would take a dim view if your procedure to mitigate a leak was asking your employees to turn off the gas at the bottle each night.

This could happen to any of your 10 vans at any time. This is just my honest opinion. Why put yourself in this position when your doing a great job building up a great window cleaning company?

Do the right thing and take out the gas heaters.

wow!that is scary! :o :o

mine was a loud bang at the back of my van(doors were open).enough to make me take the heater out straight away.
price higher/work harder!

nathankaye

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Re: why is window cleaning equipment so expensive
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2017, 05:53:49 pm »
Back on track of this threa, i know i was saying its supply n demand and all. But since i broke my flowmaster digi controller re fitting my tank, i now have to order a new one.
How much!!! ::)roll ::)roll
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nathankaye

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Re: why is window cleaning equipment so expensive
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2017, 06:31:37 pm »
£82.40 plus vat

http://purefreedom.co.uk/product/flowmaster-digital-pump-controller/
Thats a lot of carvery dinners  ;D

 ;D ;D  thats exactly the point lol 😂😂

But then i could go analogue for £6

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000W-12V-24V-48V-MAX-10-50V-40A-DC-Motor-Speed-Control-PWM-HHO-RC-Controller-/371218917231?
nav=WATCHING_ACTIVE

But i do like the digi controller, i wonder what profit is being made tho.
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robbo333

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Re: why is window cleaning equipment so expensive New
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2017, 06:43:38 pm »
Speaking of expensive, it's more expensive to get divorced, than it is to get married, but a divorce better value!  ;D
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