Thing is, if you persuade them to try WFP give it 3 or 4 months, you'll get a phone call of them still not seeing it your way. They like chamois, it's the only way, they're convinced of that. They understand the pole is okay but it's not for them. She'll be very sweet and talk gently and kind about it but it's then you'll know you were on to a loser from the word go.