[Temple cleaning services]

Hi ive owned a domestic window cleaning buisness for 14 years, can any please help with some advice/quick run down on the best ways / ins and outs of sub contracting? ie buying/leasing them a van/pay/ self employed status etc etc

[Stoots]

Not this again.

Trying to get round employment laws. 

[David Beecroft]

Hi,
 there doesn't seem to be any simple way of sub-contracting to others. Unless the person supplies their own van and equipment etc its easy to fall foul of employment law. Something I discovered recently is that if the worker is already registered as self-employed for themselves,  you can pay them up to £112 pw without having to register as an employer and they can use your setup.
Obviously there's many more aspects to this discussion but I thought I'd put my contribution in as a starter.

[Walter Mitty]

I've been on the other end of this in the past.  I supplied my own van kit etc.  Took 60%.  Worked OK for a while as the contractor priced higher than me anyway.  Eventually, it started to fall apart for various reasons.  Suffice to say that some of the jobs I ended up doing were the sort I would have dropped years before - but you can't do that when it's someone else's work.  No-one's fault - just differing ways of working.

[Tony dunmall]

I use fair few sub contractors, most are threw a separate company which is just a admin set up

All add ons and large style commercial blocks and nursing homes as gutter cleanes  I pay a standard day rate mostly

I also have a subcontractor who works 2-3 days a week with me and the other days his with other companies

He uses my spare van and it works well, never had an issue with the the inland revenge

He tells me when time he starts on which day  I plan a route for him that's easier for efficiency if not he plans how he'd like to route the work himself

His paid end each week works well for both of us

[Dry Clean]

I use fair few sub contractors, most are threw a separate company which is just a admin set up

All add ons and large style commercial blocks and nursing homes as gutter cleanes  I pay a standard day rate mostly

I also have a subcontractor who works 2-3 days a week with me and the other days his with other companies

He uses my spare van and it works well, never had an issue with the the inland revenge

He tells me when time he starts on which day  I plan a route for him that's easier for efficiency if not he plans how he'd like to route the work himself

His paid end each week works well for both of us

That's a dodgy one legally, basically if I'm reading it right he works part time for you and part time for somebody else
therefore he isn't self employed or a subcontractor.
I wouldn't take the inland revenue not having a problem Yet as an indicator that your not breaking the law, might be worth you
having a word with a solicitor just to make sure.

[8weekly]

I use fair few sub contractors, most are threw a separate company which is just a admin set up

All add ons and large style commercial blocks and nursing homes as gutter cleanes  I pay a standard day rate mostly

I also have a subcontractor who works 2-3 days a week with me and the other days his with other companies

He uses my spare van and it works well, never had an issue with the the inland revenge

He tells me when time he starts on which day  I plan a route for him that's easier for efficiency if not he plans how he'd like to route the work himself

His paid end each week works well for both of us

That's a dodgy one legally, basically if I'm reading it right he works part time for you and part time for somebody else
therefore he isn't self employed or a subcontractor.
I wouldn't take the inland revenue not having a problem Yet as an indicator that your not breaking the law, might be worth you
having a word with a solicitor just to make sure.

I would say you're right. I suspect what he's doing is illegal but there are so many examples that you have to wonder what's the point in being a decent employer. 

[Marc Stock]

I use fair few sub contractors, most are threw a separate company which is just a admin set up

All add ons and large style commercial blocks and nursing homes as gutter cleanes  I pay a standard day rate mostly

I also have a subcontractor who works 2-3 days a week with me and the other days his with other companies

He uses my spare van and it works well, never had an issue with the the inland revenge

He tells me when time he starts on which day  I plan a route for him that's easier for efficiency if not he plans how he'd like to route the work himself

His paid end each week works well for both of us

That's a dodgy one legally, basically if I'm reading it right he works part time for you and part time for somebody else
therefore he isn't self employed or a subcontractor.
I wouldn't take the inland revenue not having a problem Yet as an indicator that your not breaking the law, might be worth you
having a word with a solicitor just to make sure.

I would say you're right. I suspect what he's doing is illegal but there are so many examples that you have to wonder what's the point in being a decent employer. 

To be honest. It doesn't matter what opinion is correct or not. HMRC will change their opinion on a case by case basis if it means they are likely to be able to generate revenue from it.