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Lee Burbidge

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licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« on: July 04, 2017, 07:43:07 am »
Window Cleaning Magazine would like to talk to both licensed and unlicensed window cleaners in Scotland. Some areas you may need a license others you may not.

We would also be interested in talking to unlicensed window cleaners in licensed areas.  Full confidentiality will be given.

Please email me at lee@highshineltd or PM me for a contact number.

Arnold Palmer

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2017, 08:41:32 am »
Why would you give a platform to those flouting the law? Are you going to start interviewing charlestons who pretend to be window cleaners to rob old women next?

The law might be an ass but it's still the law.
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8weekly

Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2017, 08:56:51 am »
What I don't understand is how he puts out a magazine that's full of grammatical errors. Can't he afford a proof reader? It makes window cleaners look thick.  ;D

Arnold Palmer

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2017, 09:51:10 am »
Window Cleaning Magazine would like to talk to both licensed and unlicensed window cleaners in Scotland. Some areas you may need a license others you may not.

We would also be interested in talking to unlicensed window cleaners in licensed areas.  Full confidentiality will be given.

Please email me at lee@highshineltd or PM me for a contact number.

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G Griffin

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2017, 10:00:13 am »
What I don't understand is how he puts out a magazine that's full of grammatical errors.
So we can understand it.
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G Griffin

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2017, 10:05:36 am »
Why would you give a platform to those flouting the law? Are you going to start interviewing charlestons who pretend to be window cleaners to rob old women next?
I had some jitterbuggers doing the same on my patch.
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Dry Clean

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2017, 10:20:54 am »
The law is an ass, if a guy wants to go out and earn a few quid for his family and himself then it should just be a matter of getting
up and doing it, as long as the tax is paid on the earnings then he's done his bit, this is nothing more than state sponsored stay off my patch.
There are certain laws that shouldn't exist and I have no problem with anybody giving them the finger.

Arnold Palmer

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2017, 11:09:11 am »
The law is an ass, if a guy what to go out and earn a few quid for his family and himself then it should just be a matter of getting
up and doing it, as long as the tax is paid on the earnings then he's done his bit, this is nothing more than state sponsored stay off my patch.
There are certain laws that shouldn't exist and have no problem with anybody giving them the finger.

Not really, it's an attempt to stop your granny bag snatchers. It is a good idea, it's just not enforced properly.
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David Beecroft

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2017, 10:48:24 pm »
Hi Lee,
I am required to have a license, I don't have a problem with the principle as we are in a position of trust with our domestic customers.
However it would be good if some sensible adjustments could be made, for example why can't we have one license for the whole of Scotland now we have just one police force? (similar to the system that someone working with children or vulnerable adults require disclosure)
Why in some areas is a criminal offence not to have one whereas in others its a civil offence?
 Why do window cleaners who only do commercial premises need one?
I do think that the next time licensing laws are due to be reviewed it would be good if the industry could have some proper
representation.
Just a few thoughts.

Dry Clean

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2017, 11:38:42 pm »
Its the stupidest thing I have ever heard, if somebody wants to head out tomorrow and pretend to be a shiner to commit
crimes then a licence enforced or not isn't going to stop them, like I said this was brought in because a few crafty sods thought it
would make it harder for Joe across the street to grab a ladder and go out and earn a few quid/ take some potential work from
themselves, its why you don't see pushed for it in other jobs where it wouldn't just be as handy to do this.
Thing is I'm surprised the government hasn't caught on to this, make every self employed person pay for a yearly licence, enough
to cover admin and a hundred or so on top for the coffers, wouldn't even need to break their manifesto to do it.

Tom White

Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2017, 12:38:42 am »
like I said this was brought in because a few crafty sods thought it
would make it harder for Joe across the street to grab a ladder and go out and earn a few quid/ take some potential work from
themselves,

It's called protectionism.   In Germany it's done with all trades, as in all trades need to be licenced.

JSMC

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2017, 06:12:37 am »
Licence is a load if rubbish. I need a few for different areas now. Utter nonsense. It stops nothing. It is a tax. For anyone saying it makes you more professional again it is nonsense.

I hope you guys down south dont get it. Say you need an extra hand one week well you gonna apply for licence andninsurance fkr a guy to help out? Also thsi would need to be done 6 weeks in advance lol. Imagine you employ a guy andnthey are rubbish again more licence money down the drain

Idea of it being a good idea is nonsense. It achieves nothing. Criminal record no matter ye can still get one. Know guys who have done jail who have them.

IT IS UTTER BULL.

Arnold Palmer

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2017, 08:02:59 am »
Why would jail time stop you getting one?

I know people who have been refused.

If everyone knew about them like say, taxis, it would work much better.

Temporary or company wide licences would be sensible too.
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JSMC

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2017, 09:19:25 am »
Aberdeen area do a temp onr whilst ye wait on full licence coming through. A memeber on here was gsthering info on licenced cleaners n non licensed as there maybe a chance to consult govt again in edinburgh about it.

Regards jail time ye hear loads on here it will stop criminals etc. It doesnt do anything of the sort. Licence is just a local tax. It also hinders business imo.  Also loads on here think they will be able to put  prices up if licensed. Again utter bull lol.

Arnold Palmer

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2017, 11:30:38 am »
Aberdeen area do a temp onr whilst ye wait on full licence coming through.

Lol.

No. They really don't.

Temporary licenses are for if you want to clean windows in the area temporarily.

Regards jail time ye hear loads on here it will stop criminals etc. It doesnt do anything of the sort.

That's the rehabilitation of offenders act that is. Not much you can do about that.

If you are a known burglar, you will either be refused or granted a conditional licence (must be at certain times, must be under the direct control of another licensed window cleaner, that sort of thing).

Licence is just a local tax.

I'm £50 (gone up to £80 recently) for 3 years. The council actually lose money on the system. Worst tax ever.

It also hinders business imo. 

It does, but only due to poor implementation.

Also loads on here think they will be able to put  prices up if licensed.

Never seen anyone say that but I wouldn't be surprised, there are some proper morons knocking about.
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Miko67

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2017, 11:09:06 pm »
I know around Glasgow area it's about £135 a year .

Jonny 87

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Re: licensed Vs un-licensed window cleaners ( Scotland)
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2017, 07:25:48 pm »
£180 for three years for me.

I think it's actually fine, in concept. Stops convicted burglars (and many other criminals) etc etc having easy access to people's homes,

The main issue I think is that it hinders a businesses growth. As it's been mentioned already, you look to take on an employee, pay the £180 then a month later it doesn't
Work out with the employee and you've got to start again.

It also isn't really enforced, I've been stopped by police asking for my license once in about 10 years.
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