[8weekly]

>> Tosh...yeah my first 200km event (40 hour cut-off) and will be my last...its a bucket list type of thing...run plenty of smaller events ran a few marathon length obstacle tough mudder type things wearing a fully serviceable gasmask to highlight PTSD within the Mil and Veteran community.... Wow your lady wife is certainly the beast ! and hey 46 miles is no joke either ! crewing your wife ! .... thats a tough job and all runners tend to turn into monsters and meltdown along the way !

Dave.

200km is a huge jump up from a marathon.  Not far off five marathons.  I don't know if I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but fuelling will be your problem (it's often every ultra runners problem).  After several hours your body may start rejecting food, particularly sweet stuff like gels.  But everything becomes a problem to eat, even normal ultra foods like pizza.  And if that happens, you may as well just get in your doss bag and have a sleep.

So after reading Primal Endurance, which advocates a low carb high fat approach, to become a fat-adapted runner, she finds this has given her a huge edge.  The last race she ran was the Vale Coastal Ultra, about four weeks ago, again she came first lady and beat most of the blokes.

She didn't struggle with food or energy levels at all.

Our brains seem to like the low carb high fat approach too.

Anyway, I really recommend this book for both training and fuelling:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Primal-Endurance-Chronic-Carbohydrate-Dependency-x/dp/1939563089

Instead of just muddling along, trying to improve my fitness and endurance, I reckon I've got a pretty good grasp of it all now.  Audio is probably better; Mark Sissons waffles.

Oh Jeez, you've started him now.

[8weekly]

Am I the only one who feels normal and happy?

You do a brilliant job of hiding it.

[Dave Anderson]

yo Tosh.... yup food was an issue, used to  scoff down gels .... then started to make my own...only differnt sugars, salt etc.... but still gutbombs  would leave me at the side of the road unable to continue..... and like you say low carb/ high fat.... I have been keto  for some time now..... unless I am running more than 6 hours  I tend not to eat at all.... salttabs excepted.

[CleanClear]

I've always found if you feel a bit down etc.. then the best thing is to go out and have a drink with a few mates, thats of course if you've any  left and they havn't sodded off because you suck the life out of them and only want to see them when you're feeling down.........
 Then of course there is always the missus to take out, and if you've been a bundle of joy lateley she'll not want to go out with you !!!!     And it's never ending.............. Be happy instead.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

Am I the only one who feels normal and happy?

You do a brilliant job of hiding it.

I have always found it beneficial not to go on forums desperately pretending to be something I am not- I get zero pleasure from persistently trying make other people feel inferior! You should try it, you might just not appear to be the childish a## hole you do now!

[8weekly]

Am I the only one who feels normal and happy?

You do a brilliant job of hiding it.

I have always found it beneficial not to go on forums desperately pretending to be something I am not- I get zero pleasure from persistently trying make other people feel inferior! You should try it, you might just not appear to be the childish a## hole you do now!

Can't you make a point without being abusive? Does that not imply a deeply rooted discontentment? Oh - abusive post reported again.

[Tosh]

Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.

Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.

My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use.   Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !

Is he in a psychiatric because of his cannabis use or did he take cannabis because of his need for a psychiatric unit?

[Tosh]

Well, if you all empathise with mental health issues you wont mind donating to this bike ride I'm doing for the mental health charity M.I.N.D. in August.


You can donate anything you want but if you donate £25.00 you’ll be in with a chance to in a Gardiner’s 25’ SLX pole. Imagine that the everyday pole of choice for hundreds of shines for £25.00.


https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/Matt-Bateman-London-Amsterdan

[8weekly]

Well, if you all empathise with mental health issues you wont mind donating to this bike ride I'm doing for the mental health charity M.I.N.D. in August.


You can donate anything you want but if you donate £25.00 you’ll be in with a chance to in a Gardiner’s 25’ SLX pole. Imagine that the everyday pole of choice for hundreds of shines for £25.00.


https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/Matt-Bateman-London-Amsterdan

I didn't know that. I'll donate another fiver then. 

[Tosh]

Nice one!

[Marc Stock]

Righty ho.

I have decided to weane myself off the citralopram.

Took 20mg this morning. Taking 10mg tomorrow and visa versa for the rest of the week.

Next week it's 10mg and going from there

Not looking forward to the brain zaps though....

[dazmond]

shouldnt you consult your doctor first?

IMO the medication of our society is nothing short of scandalous.ok for some people anti depressants might help for a while but their handing them out like smarties these days.even to people without depression.

theres also lots of side effects esp when you miss your daily dose(heart palpitations for example).

[Tosh]

Righty ho.

I have decided to weane myself off the citralopram.

Took 20mg this morning. Taking 10mg tomorrow and visa versa for the rest of the week.

Next week it's 10mg and going from there

Not looking forward to the brain zaps though....

The zaps ain't fun. Good luck with that. You ought to do it supervised to be honest.

[Stoots]

Been on various anti deps and just stopped taking them, cant remember having withdrawls or any adverse side effects but maybe i felt like crap so didnt notice

[Don Simon]

Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.

Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.

My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use.   Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !

Is he in a psychiatric because of his cannabis use or did he take cannabis because of his need for a psychiatric unit?

That my friend is the axcellent question, and shows you have a deep knowledge on the subject.

[Dean Taberner]

Have a listen to this........

https://soundcloud.com/liveawakepodcast/podcast-things-i-wish-someone-had-told-me

[Miko67]

Had this stuff as well, also a friend of Bills now too n tuned into meditation n meetings n my life's done a 360.
I'm lucky the depression isn't as bad as some and I have people to talk to about it.
Also suffer bad anxiety and that can have a hold sometimes but like others have said it's a mental battle and sometimes I am better not listening to that head of mine for sure.
But with cleaning windows I find traditional helps with the exercise and I can get into a good mood once I start, but the problem was always when or if Id start some days I just wiped off the board but those days are not as many as when I was into the drink n drugs.
Exercise is great medicine also, meditation for me helps too. . We have a coushty number compared to some of them stressful jobs out there so being grateful is another great way to keep the blues from getting on top. Grateful for family house job health etc
Anyway hope that makes sense. Using a phone so not best typed.

[dazmond]

Had this stuff as well, also a friend of Bills now too n tuned into meditation n meetings n my life's done a 360.
I'm lucky the depression isn't as bad as some and I have people to talk to about it.
Also suffer bad anxiety and that can have a hold sometimes but like others have said it's a mental battle and sometimes I am better not listening to that head of mine for sure.
But with cleaning windows I find traditional helps with the exercise and I can get into a good mood once I start, but the problem was always when or if Id start some days I just wiped off the board but those days are not as many as when I was into the drink n drugs.
Exercise is great medicine also, meditation for me helps too. . We have a coushty number compared to some of them stressful jobs out there so being grateful is another great way to keep the blues from getting on top. Grateful for family house job health etc
Anyway hope that makes sense. Using a phone so not best typed.

all the best miko.i know the road you ve travelled down all too well.

my old alcoholic mate ive known all my life was found dead the other week(45 years of age).thank God I i sought help all them years ago and got clean and sober.i couldnt even get him to one AA meeting.

[Dave Willis]

Repetition drives me nuts. Sister in law eats the same foods on particular days week in week out. Mrs starts the ironing the exact same time on the same days every week. Even sex can be worked out to the same day of the year. The same crap is on at the same time on the TV every day, the same weather forecast every day. The same posts on CIU every night with the same people bragging the same old crap. Tomorrow I will be cleaning the same boring bits of glass, come home and start the process all over again. I'm off to top myself.
See you same time tomorrow.

[Stoots]

Repetition drives me nuts. Sister in law eats the same foods on particular days week in week out. Mrs starts the ironing the exact same time on the same days every week. Even sex can be worked out to the same day of the year. The same crap is on at the same time on the TV every day, the same weather forecast every day. The same posts on CIU every night with the same people bragging the same old crap. Tomorrow I will be cleaning the same boring bits of glass, come home and start the process all over again. I'm off to top myself.
See you same time tomorrow.

When you put it like that