[LT carpet cleaning]

If I had to play the drums, weight train and eat yogurts with blueberrys  i'd be depressed.

Yep.

[k.diver]

years back i knew someone who got the black dog moods- at work was when i saw them -but he could switch it off if someone turned up  who was important so we all knew it wasnt black dog proper . a real furker to be around on monday mornings the classic moody beggar
 

 one friday night he got a really good kicking 

 funny as anything

[Og]

Gotta have the lows to appreciate the highs.

[NBwcs]

So good to read threads like this, this sort of peer support just wouldnt have happened a few years ago.

[dazmond]

If I had to play the drums, weight train and eat yogurts with blueberrys  i'd be depressed.

i do it cos i like it mate.choose any exercise and hobby you like doing.playing drums in a great band is a real buzz so is the feeling i get after lifting weights.

actually ive just got back from the gym.i feel tired but happy!

[Tom White]

If I had to play the drums, weight train and eat yogurts with blueberrys  i'd be depressed.

You'd not mess about and just kill yourself if you had my life then. 

Anyone have a regular meditation practise?

Does that sound weird?

The thing about life is that the hardest thing we ever have to cope with is a feeling.  You may disagree, but it's true.

Feelings can be powerful things; they motivate us to do stuff, to act in certain ways, or they can prevent us from doing things, like getting out the house to work.

What meditation can do is take some of the power out of those feelings; you still get them, but they're less 'controlling'.

You can get to a stage where you're okay about NOT being okay, if that makes any sense.

[windowswashed]

Phone one or two customers to let them know you will be around the next day...stops you deciding to be lazy and commit to going to work the next day. Get out of bed, don't be lazy and commit to meeting people, doing something useful for the day....don't waste your life away. Bills come in and you have to go out to work to pay the bills, no good keep staying in and not working as eventually you'll lose everything if you let it persist. Get busy and stay busy to beat depression 

[Tom White]

So much so that this year I will be running a 200km Ultramarathon.... why such a stupid distance? well after going through many bouts of blackdog, ptsd episodes.... I started running again and when from 1km and puking to around 50-80kms per weeks.... try a sport, any sport...just something that gets your heart racing and see if it helps :-)

Wor Lass runs ultra marathons; she won a 100 miler last year, first lady, 10th overall, in just under 24 hours.  It was really hard, I had to stay up all night to be her support team, and put up with whining, rudeness, abuse, puking, tears, and more whining.  She's done five of them now; she's won three of them; she's tough as old boots.  I have heaps of respect for her.

And like yourself, she's mental too.

She's inspired me to do one too though; 46 miles around the Brecon Beacons in November.  If we're really lucky we could have snow too.

That 200 km ultra; is that all in one go or a multi-day event?  I take it this isn't your first either?  Or is it?

[Don Simon]

Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.

Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.

My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use.   Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !

[Don Simon]

Phone one or two customers to let them know you will be around the next day...stops you deciding to be lazy and commit to going to work the next day. Get out of bed, don't be lazy and commit to meeting people, doing something useful for the day....don't waste your life away. Bills come in and you have to go out to work to pay the bills, no good keep staying in and not working as eventually you'll lose everything if you let it persist. Get busy and stay busy to beat depression 

You have very little knowledge of tbis subject sorry !

[Dave Anderson]

As for the comments re: 'heavy cannabis use and mental health issues' just like anything in life there is always a 'middle' path to walk ... I walk my own path based upon my own needs and not the need to get 'off my chops'.

Plenty of evidence to support cannabis use has many beneficial attributes for people with a multitude of 'injuries'.

>> Tosh...yeah my first 200km event (40 hour cut-off) and will be my last...its a bucket list type of thing...run plenty of smaller events ran a few marathon length obstacle tough mudder type things wearing a fully serviceable gasmask to highlight PTSD within the Mil and Veteran community.... Wow your lady wife is certainly the beast ! and hey 46 miles is no joke either ! crewing your wife ! .... thats a tough job and all runners tend to turn into monsters and meltdown along the way !

Dave.

[Stoots]

I once read that it's almost impossible to be depressed when your body is under a state of expression.

The opposite of depression is expression.

I'm a cyclist, when I'm climbing a hill all I'm concentrating on is my breathing. Nothing else comes into my head. Its a state of awareness of survival it's almost a meditation. I don't run but I suspect it's the same when you are very tired and concentrating on just keeping going the breath is all you feel.

Exercise and mediation  share similarities in this manner. I find it helps my depression if I'm feeling rrally bad grab my bike and go do a time trial. Trust me you can't be depressed when your body is under such load. And after you come back your body will release the relaxation hormones etc.

Also try expressive meditations.

Here's a good video.

https://youtu.be/pj5HS9c7n4g

In fact watch all his stuff he has some good ideas and thoughts on the subject.

[dazmond]

If I had to play the drums, weight train and eat yogurts with blueberrys  i'd be depressed.

You'd not mess about and just kill yourself if you had my life then. 

Anyone have a regular meditation practise?

Does that sound weird?

The thing about life is that the hardest thing we ever have to cope with is a feeling.  You may disagree, but it's true.

Feelings can be powerful things; they motivate us to do stuff, to act in certain ways, or they can prevent us from doing things, like getting out the house to work.

What meditation can do is take some of the power out of those feelings; you still get them, but they're less 'controlling'.

You can get to a stage where you're okay about NOT being okay, if that makes any sense.

i find meditating at AA meetings helps me relax.i often close my eyes for 30 mins or longer while im listening to the shares.it really helps my mind to clear.

[dazmond]

Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.

Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.

My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use.   Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !

most people that smoke weed dont end up with mental health problems but there is always that few percent that end up with schizophrenia.my missus and her son and daughter smoke it every day!(her sons 24,daughters 17 and shes 46!)i used to smoke it years and years ago but wouldnt touch it now.

i think it can make people lazy,indecisive and it defo messes with your short term memory but theres always a chilled out atmosphere at my missus s house.never any trouble.its like a hippy,arty commune!.its gotta be better than drinking anyway!

[LT carpet cleaning]

Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.

Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.

My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use.   Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !

most people that smoke weed dont end up with mental health problems but there is always that few percent that end up with schizophrenia.my missus and her son and daughter smoke it every day!(her sons 24,daughters 17 and shes 46!)i used to smoke it years and years ago but wouldnt touch it now.

i think it can make people lazy,indecisive and it defo messes with your short term memory but theres always a chilled out atmosphere at my missus s house.never any trouble.its like a hippy,arty commune!.its gotta be better than drinking anyway!

Rubbish. i would rather have a few beers than smoke that smelly crap.
Your "mrs" place sounds like hell on earth.

[dazmond]

Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.

Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.

My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use.   Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !

most people that smoke weed dont end up with mental health problems but there is always that few percent that end up with schizophrenia.my missus and her son and daughter smoke it every day!(her sons 24,daughters 17 and shes 46!)i used to smoke it years and years ago but wouldnt touch it now.

i think it can make people lazy,indecisive and it defo messes with your short term memory but theres always a chilled out atmosphere at my missus s house.never any trouble.its like a hippy,arty commune!.its gotta be better than drinking anyway!

Rubbish. i would rather have a few beers than smoke that smelly crap.
Your "mrs" place sounds like hell on earth.

its really not.do you like drag queens?as my missus s son is one!he has over 30 pairs of platform shoes,dresses,tights,wigs and make up.its a very happy household.i dont live there though full time.i think it would do my head in!

[Tom White]

>> Tosh...yeah my first 200km event (40 hour cut-off) and will be my last...its a bucket list type of thing...run plenty of smaller events ran a few marathon length obstacle tough mudder type things wearing a fully serviceable gasmask to highlight PTSD within the Mil and Veteran community.... Wow your lady wife is certainly the beast ! and hey 46 miles is no joke either ! crewing your wife ! .... thats a tough job and all runners tend to turn into monsters and meltdown along the way !

Dave.

200km is a huge jump up from a marathon.  Not far off five marathons.  I don't know if I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but fuelling will be your problem (it's often every ultra runners problem).  After several hours your body may start rejecting food, particularly sweet stuff like gels.  But everything becomes a problem to eat, even normal ultra foods like pizza.  And if that happens, you may as well just get in your doss bag and have a sleep.

So after reading Primal Endurance, which advocates a low carb high fat approach, to become a fat-adapted runner, she finds this has given her a huge edge.  The last race she ran was the Vale Coastal Ultra, about four weeks ago, again she came first lady and beat most of the blokes.

She didn't struggle with food or energy levels at all.

Our brains seem to like the low carb high fat approach too.

Anyway, I really recommend this book for both training and fuelling:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Primal-Endurance-Chronic-Carbohydrate-Dependency-x/dp/1939563089

Instead of just muddling along, trying to improve my fitness and endurance, I reckon I've got a pretty good grasp of it all now.  Audio is probably better; Mark Sissons waffles. 

[Tom White]

in life there is always a 'middle' path to walk ...

For some folk - like myself - the middle path approach means complete abstinence.

For example I cannot have a 'middle path' approach with booze.  It's all or nothing for me.  I don't touch drugs for the same reason.  Chocolate seems to be another area where I can't moderate.  Wor Lass just reckons I'm greedy.

As for yourself, a 200 km ultra is not 'middle path'.

[LT carpet cleaning]

Cannabis as a cure for depression? I reckon it would only work with a few cans of Special Brew a night.

Exercise on the other hand.. it most;y works for me.

My son has spent 5 years in secure phsychiatric hospital thanks to heav y cannabis use.   Those that say it is safe are liars and should shut their traps !

most people that smoke weed dont end up with mental health problems but there is always that few percent that end up with schizophrenia.my missus and her son and daughter smoke it every day!(her sons 24,daughters 17 and shes 46!)i used to smoke it years and years ago but wouldnt touch it now.

i think it can make people lazy,indecisive and it defo messes with your short term memory but theres always a chilled out atmosphere at my missus s house.never any trouble.its like a hippy,arty commune!.its gotta be better than drinking anyway!

Rubbish. i would rather have a few beers than smoke that smelly crap.
Your "mrs" place sounds like hell on earth.

its really not.do you like drag queens?as my missus s son is one!he has over 30 pairs of platform shoes,dresses,tights,wigs and make up.its a very happy household.i dont live there though full time.i think it would do my head in!

Drag queens and drugs. Mad.

Whatever makes you happy I guess!

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Am I the only one who feels normal and happy?