[robert mitchell]

I know not much of this(possibly obvious) but what problems can being over cause?

Most days are 4-500 ltrs I always fill the tank up as "you never know"

Maybe I wont now

main problem is the big fine if you get caught , being a little bit over first thing is unlikely to cause any real issues if you drive with care.

[Spruce]

The T280 is fine for a 650 liter tank with other normal day to day window cleaning equipment.

But you have to be careful. Ford have replaced the 2.0tdci engine with the 2.2 which is heavier. Citroen uprated their van specs from 2800kgs to 3000kgs to compensate using the same engine.  But Ford have chosen to stick with the 2800kg GVW (T280) so the payload is reduced from 1188kgs to around 1100kgs.

The T260 is around 990kg payload.

The only way to be sure in to go on Grippa's payload checker and find out. Ford have produced so many model variants and each van will have a different payload - ie; standard roof, medium roof, high roof swb,mwb etc.

If you want increased payload then you have to go up to the next 'T', ie, T330 like the RAC vans.

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[dazmond]

my local garage took my eyebolts out and replaced with fabricated angle iron and bolted my frame down to the eyebolt holes so no drilling through the floor.so no modification to the van.

so when i come to sell the van/hand it back to lease company i simply unscrew 4 bolts,replace the eyebolts and bobs your uncle.

[Don Simon]

I do not condone breaking laws.
In 34 years never once been pulled over ny the rozzers !   How many you think driving round with red diesel ?
No police on the roads now, only speed cameras and bus lanes to worry about stealing your hard earnrd money 

[robert mitchell]

The T280 is fine for a 650 liter tank with other normal day to day window cleaning equipment.

But you have to be careful. Ford have replaced the 2.0tdci engine with the 2.2 which is heavier. Citroen uprated their van specs from 2800kgs to 3000kgs to compensate using the same engine.  But Ford have chosen to stick with the 2800kg GVW (T280) so the payload is reduced from 1188kgs to around 1100kgs.

The T260 is around 990kg payload.

The only way to be sure in to go on Grippa's payload checker and find out. Ford have produced so many model variants and each van will have a different payload - ie; standard roof, medium roof, high roof swb,mwb etc.

If you want increased payload then you have to go up to the next 'T', ie, T330 like the RAC vans.

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My mistake , apologies , i thought he had a t260 , must have read it wrong.

[[GQC] Tim]

Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture.   Stupid insurance

I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.

my local garage took my eyebolts out and replaced with fabricated angle iron and bolted my frame down to the eyebolt holes so no drilling through the floor.so no modification to the van.

so when i come to sell the van/hand it back to lease company i simply unscrew 4 bolts,replace the eyebolts and bobs your uncle.

That is both still classed as a modification.

If your van or car is any different then how it left the factory, it will be classed as a modification and will therefore need to be declared.

This even includes factory fit options that were not fitted at assembly line but installed later by the dealer. Some insurance companies will even ask you to declare simple stickers on the car or van. You can't make this stuff up but this is UK insurance.

Now I'm not saying don't or do declare it, I'm just stating that if you were to be in an accident and the claims assessor is anywhere decent at his job he will point it out. It's a fine line between being insured and not. By law the insurers are still obliged to pay out third party but they'll come back at you like a ton of bricks.

[Leroy Wright]

my local garage took my eyebolts out and replaced with fabricated angle iron and bolted my frame down to the eyebolt holes so no drilling through the floor.so no modification to the van.

so when i come to sell the van/hand it back to lease company i simply unscrew 4 bolts,replace the eyebolts and bobs your uncle.

Hi Dazmond,
                              how's the new van going ?  Has the novelty worn off yet ?  Could you take a photo of the way you have  installed your tank and post it on the forum for me ? Just ordered my Connect L2 240 .

Thanking you in advance

[Leroy Wright]

Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture.   Stupid insurance

I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.

interesting.....what type of steel eye bolts? What kind of straps? Cheers

Eye bolts and I will install them with spreader plates.
http://www.gsproducts.co.uk/12mm-50mm-stainless-steel-long-shank-eye-bolt/


And straps like these
https://www.liftinggear-shop.co.uk/ratchet-strap-5000kg-width-50-mm-length-9-mtr.html?gclid=CMb1gYHIz9MCFUHgGwodMMkFjA

Hi Lee,
                how's the installation  going ? Did you order those  SS  long shank  eye bolts ?  Could you take a picture (or two of your installation  ) I have just ordered my Connect 240 L2 and need some inspiration .

Thanking you in advance

[Don Simon]

I know not much of this(possibly obvious) but what problems can being over cause?

Most days are 4-500 ltrs I always fill the tank up as "you never know"

Maybe I wont now

I havn't been pulled over in 30 years in the van !

main problem is the big fine if you get caught , being a little bit over first thing is unlikely to cause any real issues if you drive with care.

[Don Simon]

Could have benn running on red all them years and saved a fortune 

[Lee GLS]

Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture.   Stupid insurance

I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.

interesting.....what type of steel eye bolts? What kind of straps? Cheers

Eye bolts and I will install them with spreader plates.
http://www.gsproducts.co.uk/12mm-50mm-stainless-steel-long-shank-eye-bolt/


And straps like these
https://www.liftinggear-shop.co.uk/ratchet-strap-5000kg-width-50-mm-length-9-mtr.html?gclid=CMb1gYHIz9MCFUHgGwodMMkFjA

Hi Lee,
                how's the installation  going ? Did you order those  SS  long shank  eye bolts ?  Could you take a picture (or two of your installation  ) I have just ordered my Connect 240 L2 and need some inspiration .

Thanking you in advance

Yes I test the eye bolts, they are far more heavy duty than the factory fit fixing points.

[Don Kee]

Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?

[Dry Clean]

Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?

The answer is neither of them is a mod just as that painted floor isn't, it doesn't make the vehicle anymore likely to be stolen
or change the original factory safety/power specs which are the definition of a vehicle modification.

[Don Kee]

Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?

The answer is neither of them is a mod just as that painted floor isn't, it doesn't make the vehicle anymore likely to be stolen
or change the original factory safety/power specs which are the definition of a vehicle modification.

That's not what I asked Lee (oh wait...)

And you might want to actually read up on your definitions buddy, I'm not sure the definition of 'vehicle modifications' are limited to just those two things. You might not like it, you might not agree with it, but I sure hope that if you get into a serious crash that you get away with it if you use your definition as an argument....

[Lee GLS]

Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?

When a water tank it bolted in, it is classed as being permanently fitted so only a few companies will provide insurance at what is now (for me) a massively over inflated price, for me to insure the van with the tank bolted in, my premium is double, £800.

Fitting eye bolts is an acceptable modification for any insurance company just like installing racking, you just tell the insurance company that you have done it and the don't really care and don't increase the premium.

Strapping the tank to the eye bolts is classed as carriage of own goods, the van is not over weight, and is like carrying any other load, like going to bq and having a pallet of bricks put in the back of your van.

So is insured, the insurance know there are eye bolts fitted, and I am carrying my own goods without being screwed and I'm confident that they are a hell of a lot stronger than the manufacturers tie down points, and just as safe as a bolted in tank.

[paul alan]

Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?

When a water tank it bolted in, it is classed as being permanently fitted so only a few companies will provide insurance at what is now (for me) a massively over inflated price, for me to insure the van with the tank bolted in, my premium is double, £800.

Fitting eye bolts is an acceptable modification for any insurance company just like installing racking, you just tell the insurance company that you have done it and the don't really care and don't increase the premium.

Strapping the tank to the eye bolts is classed as carriage of own goods, the van is not over weight, and is like carrying any other load, like going to bq and having a pallet of bricks put in the back of your van.

So is insured, the insurance know there are eye bolts fitted, and I am carrying my own goods without being screwed and I'm confident that they are a hell of a lot stronger than the manufacturers tie down points, and just as safe as a bolted in tank.

massively helpfull , cheers!

[Don Kee]

Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?

When a water tank it bolted in, it is classed as being permanently fitted so only a few companies will provide insurance at what is now (for me) a massively over inflated price, for me to insure the van with the tank bolted in, my premium is double, £800.

Fitting eye bolts is an acceptable modification for any insurance company just like installing racking, you just tell the insurance company that you have done it and the don't really care and don't increase the premium.

Strapping the tank to the eye bolts is classed as carriage of own goods, the van is not over weight, and is like carrying any other load, like going to bq and having a pallet of bricks put in the back of your van.

So is insured, the insurance know there are eye bolts fitted, and I am carrying my own goods without being screwed and I'm confident that they are a hell of a lot stronger than the manufacturers tie down points, and just as safe as a bolted in tank.

Makes a lot of sense, cheers 👍👍👍

[Dry Clean]

Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?

The answer is neither of them is a mod just as that painted floor isn't, it doesn't make the vehicle anymore likely to be stolen
or change the original factory safety/power specs which are the definition of a vehicle modification.

That's not what I asked Lee (oh wait...)

And you might want to actually read up on your definitions buddy, I'm not sure the definition of 'vehicle modifications' are limited to just those two things. You might not like it, you might not agree with it, but I sure hope that if you get into a serious crash that you get away with it if you use your definition as an argument....

Unfortunately I already have and already did, twice.
I should have said categories instead of definitions but I'm sure most will get the meaning, maybe you should stop listening to
old wives tales and urban myths about the big bad insurance company looking for the smallest little loophole to get out of
paying and actually do a little research on your rights under UK law.

[Leroy Wright]

Thanks Lee for the photo  and posting a reply, Much appreciated.  I was thinking of  using the existing lashing points . 6 are provided on a Ford transit connect. I will be using 4 of them and bolting my angle iron to them using your bolts you have sourced and then ratchet strapping the tank to the angle iron.. Obviously this is just theory at the moment just churning ideas over.
Anyway thanks for your photo and reply .

Dazmond how are things with your install? Any pictures you could possibly post would be appreciated .

Best regards
Leroy

[dazmond]

ill take some pics today leroy and post them later when i get in from work.